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Insurance Digest It is impossible to build on one strategy The present pension system in the Czech Republic does not function well anymore. Is there a way out of this complex labyrinth We asked Mr Vladimír Bezděk. EMA NOVOTNÁ EDITOR-IN-CHIEF Mr. Bezděk, you worked at the Commission for the Preparation of the Back-up Materials for the Decision on the Pension Reform 1 . Could you please explain to the readers how many of the reform proposals were considered Who submitted them and what were they based on The proposals were submitted by separate political parties represented in the Czech Republic’s Parliament. It means there were five different variants and, of course, a “no policy chase” scenario. I assume that the variants reflected the political boundaries of the specific party, as well as personal attitudes of the parties’ specific representatives on the Commission. Were some of the proposals inspired by reforms carried out abroad The political parties were definitely inspired by reforms abroad. For example, the Czech Social Democratic Party (in Czech abbreviated as CSSD) came up with the so-called NDC system that was first developed in Sweden. The Christian and Democratic Union-Czechoslovak People’s Party (in Czech abbreviated as KDU- CSL) suggested a reform of the opt-out type which combines features of several Central European reforms. Can we learn from the mistakes of our Polish and Slovak neighbours In what criteria aren’t their reforms suitable for the Czech Republic Sooner or later you discover a certain flaw in each reform, in each human creation. Of course, in general, it is good to avoid mistakes of others and, on the contrary, to copy their successes. If we look at the Slovak reform, I consider the “reorganization” of the state pillar 2 as its weakest point. The Slovaks rested their state pillar on the “merit” base: this means that the more you put in, the more you get. In my opinion, this first pillar should be based on solidarity because the second pillar, i.e. payments to private funds (in Slovakia this totals 9% of salaries) is already merit-based. Without a reasonable proportion of solidarity, there is a danger that in five, ten years Slovakia may have big problems, there will be social tension. In Poland, the reform was not properly prepared in terms of organization and administration. In the first years after the reform, the Polish analogy of the Czech Social Security Administration had immense difficulties with elementary matters, such as, for example, correct and timely record-keeping of participants and their contributions. What should definitely be inspirational for us Diversification of the system, for sure. We cannot build the pension system solely on one strategy, i.e. on the payg pension system 3 . It works well while the population is mostly young. Today, it takes 28% of our salaries, and it may not be sufficient in the future. It is necessary to strengthen the support of the system with a fund pillar, and also to reinforce the existing private supplementary pension insurance pillar. Can you please give us major reasons why it is impossible to continue in the existing pension system At present, we have over two million pensioners and 95% of them are dependent on the income from the state. As the population grows older and older, there will be less and less money for pensions in the system. If the system is not diversified, the weakening flow of money to the state pillar will mean a growing risk of poverty for a considerable part of the population. Why wasn’t there the will among Czech politicians to make a major reform of the pension system earlier The reason, in my opinion, was buck-passing and populism of politicians across the political spectrum. They may have also been, quite ordinarily, afraid to defend decisions that will be irreversible. On the part of politicians, the pension system may also represent an instrument allowing them to win voters – short-term – before elections, so they simply give pensioners a few quids more. If this pillar gets weaker, the space for this will get narrower. At the beginning of July, the Minister of Labour and Social Affairs 4 came up with a proposal that would allow citizens to transfer only 3% of payments for pensions to pension funds 5 . Is it acceptable from the point of view of the insurance market As far as I know, no specific written proposal for opt-out has come out from the Ministry so far. Only speculation about this option appeared for the umpteenth time in the media. In my opinion, such a low opt-out is insignificant. It will not bring any meaningful spread of income between the pension and The continuous pension system works well while the population is mostly young. We must support it with a fund pillar and to reinforce the existing private supplementary pension insurance pillar. 42 Pojistný obzor 3/2008 Insurance Digest

the fund pillar for savers when they reach retirement age. People now already pay about 2% of the average wage under supplementary pension insurance with state contribution 6 . And the amount accumulated in pension funds totals about CZK 170 billion: after 14 years of their existence, with the support of employers, with tax reliefs and the state support – in other words, only 5 % of the GDP. Do you think that today’s thirty-year-olds will manage to secure themselves sufficiently for old age, despite the procrastination of the pension reform 7 Will this generation not suffer due to lingering of politicians Is there still a way to prevent it I think that if today’s thirty-year-olds, or my contemporaries, do not secure themselves for retirement age, they will have giant financial problems when they retire. It is outrageous that most politicians do not warn about the problem, but, on the contrary, feed the nation with illusions that the pension system is all right and that no major intervention is necessary. I am not saying this as a head of an insurance house or a pension fund, but as a person who is directly affected by this problem, and also as a specialist who knows numerical prognosis. The age of Czech citizens at which they are entitled to retire is constantly moving upwards. What, in your opinion, is the ideal retirement age that would allow people to enjoy their retirement In all advanced countries, the retirement age increases as the population grows older. Those who do not want to increase the retirement age must either significantly raise taxes 8 , or, on the contrary, decrease the pensions, there is no other way. Of these options, gradual increasing of the retirement age seems to be the least problematic decision. From an individual’s point of view it is important that the retirement age does not increase faster than the average life expectancy 9 . Then the time spent in pension will not differ across generations. From the point of view of ethics, is there a certain age limit to the retirement age that should not be exceeded Fifty years ago, no demographer anticipated that an average life expectancy for women at the end of the millennium would be almost 80 years. Some of the demographers seriously work with the hypothesis of a medical revolution, thanks to which another spontaneous increase in life expectancy will occur. If such a scenario is fulfilled, then the retirement age will also grow – to values that are hardly thinkable for us today. The relation between the age of recruitment in the first job and the retirement age is also very little considered. As time passes, the schooling and training time before a young person is hired in the first job is gradually extending. Not to mention changes in lifestyle of the young generation (to enjoy life after studies a few years longer and to travel, and only then search for a permanent job). Yet it is clear that the later an individual begins to work, the later Vladimír Bezděk (*1974) has worked at AEGON since last year. At the beginning of October 2007, he became the CEO of AEGON Pojišťovna, a.s. and simultaneously he executes the function of the CEO and Chairman of the Board of Directors of AEGON Penzijní fond, a.s. He began his career in 1997 at the Czech National Bank (CNB). In the more than nine years of his employment at CNB he worked in several sections, in various positions. He engaged in fiscal policy analysis, first in the Economics Institute and then also in the Currencies Section. Since 2001 he worked as an advisor of a CNB Bank Board’s member [this means he advised one particular person who was a board member. Should it be “he worked as an advisor to the CNB Bank’s Board]. In autumn 2003, he changed to the Independent Economic Research Department where he coordinated the research of fiscal policy and, at the same time, acted as one of the CNB Bank Board’s advisors. From July 2004 1 pension reform – důchodová reforma 2 state pillar – státní pilíř 3 payg (“pay as you go”) pension system – průběžný penzijní systém 4 Minister of Labour and Social Affairs – ministr práce a sociálních věcí 5 pension fund – penzijní fond 6 supplementary pension insurance with state contribution – penzijní přpojištění se státním příspěvkem he/she will be able to retire. Firstly, because he/she will have to “finance” with his/her pension insurance the pensions of the preceding generation, and secondly, because he/she also has to partially save for his/her own pension – no matter whether mandatory, or voluntary. Enough time is necessary for both. Thank you for the interview, Mr. Bezděk. to June 2005 he was temporarily released to serve in the Czech Republic’s Government Office and was appointed by the Czech Republic’s Government as the coordinator for the preparation of papers for the decision on the pension reform. Having returned to the CNB he resumed the position of fiscal research coordinator and Bank Board’s advisor and, in addition to these activities, since October 2005 he also headed the Financial Stability Department. Vladimír Bezděk is a graduate of the University of Economics in Prague and The University of Manchester in Britain. He also actively participates in discussions on the pension reform in the form of lectures he reads at conferences, seminars and colleges/universities, and he also publishes frequently on pension reform. Vladimír Bezděk is married, with three children. His hobbies include squash, reading non-fiction and playing card games (for example tarot and bridge). Selected insurance terminology from the text Vybraná pojistná terminologie z textu 7 procrastination of the reform – oddalování reformy 8 to raise taxes – zvýšit daně 9 the average life expectancy – průměrná délka života Insurance Digest Pojistný obzor 3/2008 43

Insurance Digest<br />

It is impossible to build on one<br />

strategy<br />

The present pension system<br />

in the Czech Republic does<br />

not function well anymore.<br />

Is there a way out of this<br />

complex labyrinth We<br />

as<strong>ke</strong>d Mr Vladimír Bezděk.<br />

EMA NOVOTNÁ<br />

EDITOR-IN-CHIEF<br />

Mr. Bezděk, you wor<strong>ke</strong>d at the Commission<br />

for the Preparation of the Back-up<br />

Materials for the Decision on the Pension<br />

Reform 1 . Could you please explain to the<br />

readers how many of the reform proposals<br />

were considered Who submitted them<br />

and what were they based on<br />

The proposals were submitted by separate<br />

political parties represented in the Czech Republic’s<br />

Parliament. It means there were five<br />

different variants and, of course, a “no policy<br />

chase” scenario. I assume that the variants<br />

reflected the political boundaries of the specific<br />

party, as well as personal attitudes of the<br />

parties’ specific representatives on the Commission.<br />

Were some of the proposals inspired by reforms<br />

carried out abroad<br />

The political parties were definitely inspired by<br />

reforms abroad. For example, the Czech Social<br />

Democratic Party (in Czech abbreviated as<br />

CSSD) came up with the so-called NDC system<br />

that was first developed in Sweden. The<br />

Christian and Democratic Union-Czechoslovak<br />

People’s Party (in Czech abbreviated as KDU-<br />

CSL) suggested a reform of the opt-out type<br />

which combines features of several Central<br />

European reforms.<br />

Can we learn from the mista<strong>ke</strong>s of our<br />

Polish and Slovak neighbours In what criteria<br />

aren’t their reforms suitable for the<br />

Czech Republic<br />

Sooner or later you discover a certain flaw<br />

in each reform, in each human creation. Of<br />

course, in general, it is good to avoid mista<strong>ke</strong>s<br />

of others and, on the contrary, to copy their<br />

successes.<br />

If we look at the Slovak reform, I consider<br />

the “reorganization” of the state pillar 2 as its<br />

wea<strong>ke</strong>st point. The Slovaks rested their state<br />

pillar on the “merit” base: this means that<br />

the more you put in, the more you get. In my<br />

opinion, this first pillar should be based on solidarity<br />

because the second pillar, i.e. payments<br />

to private funds (in Slovakia this totals 9% of<br />

salaries) is already merit-based. Without a reasonable<br />

proportion of solidarity, there is a danger<br />

that in five, ten years Slovakia may have<br />

big problems, there will be social tension.<br />

In Poland, the reform was not properly prepared<br />

in terms of organization and administration.<br />

In the first years after the reform, the<br />

Polish analogy of the Czech Social Security Administration<br />

had immense difficulties with elementary<br />

matters, such as, for example, correct<br />

and timely record-<strong>ke</strong>eping of participants<br />

and their contributions.<br />

What should definitely be inspirational for<br />

us<br />

Diversification of the system, for sure. We<br />

cannot build the pension system solely on one<br />

strategy, i.e. on the payg pension system 3 .<br />

It works well while the population is mostly<br />

young. Today, it ta<strong>ke</strong>s 28% of our salaries,<br />

and it may not be sufficient in the future. It<br />

is necessary to strengthen the support of the<br />

system with a fund pillar, and also to reinforce<br />

the existing private supplementary pension insurance<br />

pillar.<br />

Can you please give us major reasons why<br />

it is impossible to continue in the existing<br />

pension system<br />

At present, we have over two million pensioners<br />

and 95% of them are dependent on<br />

the income from the state. As the population<br />

grows older and older, there will be less and<br />

less money for pensions in the system. If the<br />

system is not diversified, the wea<strong>ke</strong>ning flow<br />

of money to the state pillar will mean a growing<br />

risk of poverty for a considerable part of<br />

the population.<br />

Why wasn’t there the will among Czech<br />

politicians to ma<strong>ke</strong> a major reform of the<br />

pension system earlier<br />

The reason, in my opinion, was buck-passing<br />

and populism of politicians across the political<br />

spectrum. They may have also been, quite ordinarily,<br />

afraid to defend decisions that will be<br />

irreversible. On the part of politicians, the pension<br />

system may also represent an instrument<br />

allowing them to win voters – short-term – before<br />

elections, so they simply give pensioners<br />

a few quids more. If this pillar gets wea<strong>ke</strong>r,<br />

the space for this will get narrower.<br />

At the beginning of July, the Minister of<br />

Labour and Social Affairs 4 came up with<br />

a proposal that would allow citizens to<br />

transfer only 3% of payments for pensions<br />

to pension funds 5 . Is it acceptable from the<br />

point of view of the insurance mar<strong>ke</strong>t<br />

As far as I know, no specific written proposal<br />

for opt-out has come out from the Ministry<br />

so far. Only speculation about this option<br />

appeared for the umpteenth time in the<br />

media. In my opinion, such a low opt-out is<br />

insignificant. It will not bring any meaningful<br />

spread of income between the pension and<br />

The continuous pension system works well while<br />

the population is mostly young. We must support it<br />

with a fund pillar and to reinforce the existing private<br />

supplementary pension insurance pillar.<br />

42 Pojistný <strong>obzor</strong> 3/2008 Insurance Digest

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