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Bylaag 7: Gesprek 7 (4 November 1998) p528 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 Steve: One thing that we must have and focus on, I want a country, you want a country, when we die our children will live together as brothers and sisters, number one. Number two you and I must start now preparing for those children of us, I don't want when I die my child must take a gun and chase your child, then we will all die, because war has proved that it is futile. If we are willing to pay the price, I preach reconciliation, you don't reconcile with cheap things. You do it with expensive things. When God wanted us to reconcile with him, he made Christ die for us. Why are we not prepared to let our past die with us, so that my child and your child can live in a country acceptable to each other, that is my point. When we go, all white guys like to sing, all black guys like to sing, all black women like to sing, all white women like to sing. One thing that unites us in that church is the music, you start there and then you can move to other things. Albert: You said earlier on... Hanlie: Ek wil gou 'n vraag vra, I don't think he understood or there is a misunderstanding about the question. Frans: The point I was making, and maybe you didn't specifically want to answer my question. The point I was trying to make, are we really and truly welcome in the black community. I'm not talking about the church, I'm talking in general. If you take the ratio, black to white, and the point I was making is we the white people were part of the oppressor, we oppressed the people because we were part of the white regime. Now the situation has changed, the question is, the majority of blacks or coloureds, do they really want us there or do they still see us as the enemy of the past? Steve: No, perspectives need to be changed, and you don't change a perspective by standing daar by die draad en sê ek gaan nie daaroor spring nie. The point is that if perspectives must change, leadership must play a role, we need them, they need us. Right now I need you and you need me. I see no point in you not going to my house, and I see no point of not greeting you when passing on the street, that's the thing. If leadership can make a constructive engagement, I must be seen of part to be bringing change, not preaching change. Preaching here and bringing change are two different things; Jesus Christ said this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing, in Hebrew hearing goes with action.

Bylaag 7: Gesprek 7 (4 November 1998) p529 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 Ben: Hierso by Toronto is daar 'n klomp kindertjies, wit en swart, hulle eet saam, hulle speel saam, hulle is nie hier wittes en daar swartes nie, hulle speel saam, en by die skole, dit gaan vir die kinders baie makliker wees, vernaam vir die kleiner kindertjies, hulle doen als saam. So ook by die skole, dit word vir daai kinders baie makliker. Steve: Let me just help you, if you can check it, the march of the farmers, I was there. I do not have a farm, but those people did not chase me away, they welcomed me, because I support the common vision of this country. Why do we kill them, what have they done? Do you see, that is a constructive engagement, I will not stand there and say they have killed another farmer, but I will stand up when he says dit is seer hierso." Then I say yes dit is seer daarso to give comfort. Daardie mense het nie gesê ons soek jou nie, jy is 'n swartman, jy het nie 'n plaas nie. Hulle het gesê kom. That is how we work in this country. I feel hurt when a white man is killed, regardless by whom, I feel hurt, he is my countryman. Albert: So even if we're not welcomed with open arms by every single person, we need to change that perspective by being there and doing the change, not just preaching the change. I find within the black community there is a whole lot more acceptance of whites than the other around. Dit is werklik my ervaring, dat as mens met swartmense praat en lees wat hulle skryf, dan is daar baie meer vergewensgesindheid ook, in terme van wat in die verlede gebeur het. Hulle is baie meer bereid om dit af te skryf, en te sê kom ons vergeet dit, kom ons gaan vorentoe. Dit is nie altyd so by die blankes nie. Linda: 'n Belangrike ding as jy wil hande vat, is mens moet van posisies vergeet, jy moet jou sien as 'n gewone mens, jy het 'n werk, maar as ons hier saam is, is ons gewone mense, en jy moet onderskei, daar moet nie neergekyk word nie, almal is gelyk. Wat ek gesien het, dit het vir my drie jaar gevat om die groep vroue te kry om van my te verskil, dis 'n proses wat plaasgevind het, daar was opregtheid en eerlikheid. Dit was amper soos 'n kleuter, hy lees jou lyftaal en nie wat jy sê nie, so jy moet jou alles gee. Jy moet eerlikheid en vertroue en respek inboesem om daai proses te kan laat plaasvind. Albert: Die ideale voorbeeld daarvan is byvoorbeeld die vrou wat in die kerk werk. Hier by ons is sy die vrou wat die kerk skoonmaak. Ons as blankes is geneig om baie sterk in die hiërargie te dink van waar staan jy op die lys: burgermeester heel bo en skoonmaker heel onder, by wyse van spreke. Maar as mens nou gaan hoor, in haar kerk speel sy 'n baie leidende rol. Sy is een van die voorvroue in die kerk. Ons sien

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Ben: Hierso by Toronto is daar 'n klomp kindertjies, wit en swart, hulle eet saam, hulle<br />

speel saam, hulle is nie hier wittes en daar swartes nie, hulle speel saam, en by die<br />

skole, dit gaan vir die kinders baie makliker wees, vernaam vir die kleiner kindertjies,<br />

hulle doen als saam. So ook by die skole, dit word vir daai kinders baie makliker.<br />

Steve: Let me just help you, if you can check it, the march of the farmers, I was there. I<br />

do not have a farm, but those people did not chase me away, they welcomed me,<br />

because I support the common vision of this country. Why do we kill them, what have<br />

they done? Do you see, that is a constructive engagement, I will not stand there and<br />

say they have killed another farmer, but I will stand up when he says dit is seer hierso."<br />

Then I say yes dit is seer daarso to give comfort. Daardie mense het nie gesê ons soek<br />

jou nie, jy is 'n swartman, jy het nie 'n plaas nie. Hulle het gesê kom. That is how we<br />

work in this country. I feel hurt when a white man is killed, regardless by whom, I feel<br />

hurt, he is my countryman.<br />

Albert: So even if we're not welcomed with open arms by every single person, we need<br />

to change that perspective by being there and doing the change, not just preaching the<br />

change. I find within the black community there is a whole lot more acceptance of<br />

whites than the other around. Dit is werklik my ervaring, dat as mens met swartmense<br />

praat en lees wat hulle skryf, dan is daar baie meer vergewensgesindheid ook, in terme<br />

van wat in die verlede gebeur het. Hulle is baie meer bereid om dit af te skryf, en te sê<br />

kom ons vergeet dit, kom ons gaan vorentoe. Dit is nie altyd so by die blankes nie.<br />

Linda: 'n Belangrike ding as jy wil hande vat, is mens moet van posisies vergeet, jy<br />

moet jou sien as 'n gewone mens, jy het 'n werk, maar as ons hier saam is, is ons<br />

gewone mense, en jy moet onderskei, daar moet nie neergekyk word nie, almal is<br />

gelyk. Wat ek gesien het, dit het vir my drie jaar gevat om die groep vroue te kry om<br />

van my te verskil, dis 'n proses wat plaasgevind het, daar was opregtheid en eerlikheid.<br />

Dit was amper soos 'n kleuter, hy lees jou lyftaal en nie wat jy sê nie, so jy moet jou<br />

alles gee. Jy moet eerlikheid en vertroue en respek inboesem om daai proses te kan<br />

laat plaasvind.<br />

Albert: Die ideale voorbeeld daarvan is byvoorbeeld die vrou wat in die kerk werk. Hier<br />

by ons is sy die vrou wat die kerk skoonmaak. Ons as blankes is geneig om baie sterk<br />

in die hiërargie te dink van waar staan jy op die lys: burgermeester heel bo en<br />

skoonmaker heel onder, by wyse van spreke. Maar as mens nou gaan hoor, in haar<br />

kerk speel sy 'n baie leidende rol. Sy is een van die voorvroue in die kerk. Ons sien

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