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Bylaag 7: Gesprek 7 (4 November 1998)
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Steve: One thing that we must have and focus on, I want a country, you want a
country, when we die our children will live together as brothers and sisters, number
one. Number two you and I must start now preparing for those children of us, I don't
want when I die my child must take a gun and chase your child, then we will all die,
because war has proved that it is futile. If we are willing to pay the price, I preach
reconciliation, you don't reconcile with cheap things. You do it with expensive things.
When God wanted us to reconcile with him, he made Christ die for us. Why are we not
prepared to let our past die with us, so that my child and your child can live in a country
acceptable to each other, that is my point. When we go, all white guys like to sing, all
black guys like to sing, all black women like to sing, all white women like to sing. One
thing that unites us in that church is the music, you start there and then you can move
to other things.
Albert: You said earlier on...
Hanlie: Ek wil gou 'n vraag vra, I don't think he understood or there is a
misunderstanding about the question.
Frans: The point I was making, and maybe you didn't specifically want to answer my
question. The point I was trying to make, are we really and truly welcome in the black
community. I'm not talking about the church, I'm talking in general. If you take the ratio,
black to white, and the point I was making is we the white people were part of the
oppressor, we oppressed the people because we were part of the white regime. Now
the situation has changed, the question is, the majority of blacks or coloureds, do they
really want us there or do they still see us as the enemy of the past?
Steve: No, perspectives need to be changed, and you don't change a perspective by
standing daar by die draad en sê ek gaan nie daaroor spring nie. The point is that if
perspectives must change, leadership must play a role, we need them, they need us.
Right now I need you and you need me. I see no point in you not going to my house,
and I see no point of not greeting you when passing on the street, that's the thing. If
leadership can make a constructive engagement, I must be seen of part to be bringing
change, not preaching change. Preaching here and bringing change are two different
things; Jesus Christ said this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing, in Hebrew hearing
goes with action.