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Bylaag 7: Gesprek 7 (4 November 1998)<br />

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Hanlie: And what did parents advise their children as far as that is concern. Like in your<br />

house, was it also told to your children, you just do what the white boss tells you.<br />

Quincy: That was sort of a culture,<br />

Steve: Let me just jump in there. We have been taught, I in particular come from a very<br />

conservative background, my grandpa, when he saw a white man passing, he will take<br />

off his hat. I come from that kind of situation. We come from a background where we<br />

were just to receive, if you question something the security police will take you out. I<br />

have been taken out as school principle more than ten times by Y; he is in the security<br />

police. If you try to skip the country they go and question the school principle. We come<br />

from that state of terror, that is why sometimes when you talk about apartheid, you<br />

don't know what you are talking about, you don't know what you are talking about. You<br />

talk about the black terror, when we saw a policeman you go to the nearest room. I<br />

remember when I got to London on my way to study in America. We saw a policeman,<br />

there were five of us from South Africa, some of us wanted to run away. Somebody<br />

said hey man this is London, you can forget about the things of SA: At least we are<br />

educated, but still that fear was there, fear was instilled in us. That is why in the black<br />

community when we talk about the policeman we talk about the worst enemy.<br />

Danie: Ek wil net 'n opmerking maak oor wat Quincy gesê het oor die skoolstelsel. Dit<br />

klink of ons uit dieselfde mond praat, want ek sê nou dieselfde van die huidige<br />

skoolstelsel. Die huidige skoolstelsel is vir my ook onderdrukkend vir my wit kind. Want<br />

in die boeke onderstreep hulle, hulle sê vir die kind jy leer dit, dan slaan hulle 'n paar<br />

woord oor, dan onderstreep hulle dit weer en dan sê hulle vir die kind jy leer dit. Dis<br />

hoekom ek voel die huidige skoolstelsel is vir my so onderdrukkend. Verstaan jy wat ek<br />

sê?<br />

Quincy: Maybe I should say, people are all saying "reconciliation", and we are all for<br />

reconciliation. And you know when you think back at the situation in 1953 that I have<br />

just mentioned to you. You will find that indirectly, those are sort of retaliatory type of<br />

things. When people do something they still remember where they come from, and<br />

they start doing things in trying to transform, particularly the black community given the<br />

opportunity of self actualisation and so on. Actually in a way they are saying this is how<br />

it should be done. I think the generations that will have it better in this country are our<br />

daughters and sons, and children of our children, our grandchildren. Those will not see<br />

a white or black person; they will just be seen as a person. So I think that from the point

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