ganmarteba - MAMULI
ganmarteba - MAMULI
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miani Tundac orasi wlis mere aRiqvams<br />
rogorc imdrouls, me mwams iseTi<br />
warsuli, romelic axal kulturul<br />
garemoSi moeqceva, rac iyvnen xevsurebi<br />
da fSavlebi, is kulturuli garemo<br />
unda viTamaSoT axal droSi, axali<br />
xerxebiT.<br />
- saxarebas aRiqvamT rogorc poezias,<br />
Tavad poeti religiuria?<br />
- me saxareba `Semowmebuli~ maqvs<br />
poeturi TvaliT, imitom rom poezia<br />
CemTvis aris yvelaze zusti mecniereba<br />
da poeturi TvaliT rom Sevamowme,<br />
vnaxe, rom zustia, qristes yoveli sityva<br />
aris zusti anu poeziaa. CemTvis<br />
saxarebis oTxive teqsti poeziiTaa<br />
gaJRenTili, fsalmunebze ara var ise<br />
gadareuli, ramdenime miyvars, magram<br />
fsalmunebs ise ar vuyureb, rogorc<br />
saxarebas, fsalmunebis avtori qriste<br />
ar iyo. qristem Secvala kacobrioba<br />
Cemi azriT, mere borotad gamoiyena<br />
qriste kacobriobam, eg ar momwons.<br />
qriste CemTvis Zala ki ar aris, romli-<br />
Tac SegiZlia mokla meore, aramed Zalaa,<br />
romliTac Sens Tavs unda moerio.<br />
- hiberbolebsa da metaforebsac<br />
aseTive damokidebuleba hqondaT? maT<br />
xom arc esmodaT locvebi, romlebic<br />
gaugebari sityvebis grova ufro iyo.<br />
`mamao da RmerTo Cveno,<br />
romeni xar caTaSia,<br />
agre xoyanaTaSia! mogviSvi<br />
da mogviteve puri Cveni<br />
arsobilTa, rac ufal-<br />
Ta mogvitana nu Segviyvan<br />
gansacdelsa~ (wignidan)<br />
- erTi RmerTi yovelTvis hyavdaT.<br />
istorikosebi da eTnografebi arasodes<br />
amboben, rom es xalxi niWieri iyo,<br />
arada, niWierebi iyvnen, rac zeviT miiwevda<br />
marto is qondaT - alvis xe da<br />
muxa - rac maRali iyo da maT zeviT<br />
iyo, imaze loculobdnen, mere ipoves<br />
RmerTi. kacobriobam ra, rodis ipova<br />
qriste, maSin, roca daWirdaT, rogorc<br />
adamiani. amaT kide, sul adamianebi<br />
hyavdaT xatebad, imisaTvis rom gverdze<br />
yolodaT da mixmarebodaT, mere yvela<br />
wminda giorgiT gardaisaxa. `mze dedaa<br />
Cemi, mTvare mamaCemi...~ kosmosSi araa<br />
gasuli amis mTqmeli?<br />
- locvebis azrs ki ar miyvebian,<br />
aramed ritms.<br />
- sworedac iqcevian, imitom rom<br />
Selocvebi da qadageba ZiriTadad emyareba<br />
poetur ritms.<br />
- fiqrobT, rom isini ufro metad<br />
ganviTarebulebi, sivrceSi ganfenilebi,<br />
samyarosTan d axloebulebi iyvnen, vidre<br />
Cven?<br />
58<br />
- darwmunebuli var, rom TavianT<br />
mcire sivrceSi isini absoluturad<br />
ekuTvnodnen mxolod cas da miwas,<br />
swamdaT, ra. arada, dascinodnen maT.<br />
Cven xom sasacilod vigdebT imas, rac<br />
Tavad ar SegviZlia.<br />
- am samyaroSi arian hiperbolebi<br />
da metaforebi, Tu gadaSendnen?<br />
- ar gadaSenebulan, iltvian, iltvian,<br />
iltvian. arc Sen da arc me ar gvinda<br />
viyoT Sedarebebi, Cven gvinda viyoT<br />
hiperbolebi da metaforebi. xangrZlivi<br />
epika ki araa poeti, erTi abzacia,<br />
erTi striqonia, romelsac is mTeli<br />
cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi moipovebs.<br />
- mere ras Svreba, rom moipovebs?<br />
- arafers ar Svreba, poetis mopovebuli<br />
rame ginaxavs? poeti moipovebs<br />
mxolod sikvdils, namdvil sikvdils.<br />
poetisTvis bedniereba ra aris, ici?<br />
iman icis, rom kvdeba, magram warmoidgine,<br />
rom waxvedi saiqioSi da dagejaxa<br />
homerosi, aqilevsic dagejaxa, nabuqodonosoric...<br />
- geSiniaT saiqiosi?<br />
- saiqiosi ara, codvebis meSinia<br />
da imis, rom codva ar Cavidino, Cven<br />
vcxovrobT anbans zeda, notebs zeda,<br />
Zaan mgrZnobiarea miwa, rasac codvas<br />
varqmevT, amas mxolod Cven vxedavT.<br />
arada, codva aris iseTi rame, romelic<br />
mogindeba, rom sxvam ar gagike-<br />
Tos. mokled, codva aris siglaxe (didi<br />
pauza). Tu iyav, rad aRar xar, Cemo<br />
Tavo.<br />
- besik xaranauli esaa deda, miwa<br />
da poezia. vercerTidan ver gadixarT,<br />
es aris tvirTi Tu jildo?<br />
- deda, miwa da poezia aris erTi<br />
da igive.<br />
ratom viyavi dedasTan ese? marto<br />
viyaviT, erTad viyaviT, sul ase iqneba,<br />
me dedaCemze kargi adamiani ar minaxavs<br />
cxovrebaSi.<br />
miwa kidev, erTi mtkaveli gvqonda<br />
da sul vicavdi imaTgan, vinc im miwaze<br />
Semoiwevda.<br />
poeziaSi davibade kaco da axla<br />
rom meubnebian xolme verlibris mama<br />
xaro - mecineba, ra verlibri, verlibrze<br />
davimcireb Tavs? ioanes saxareba<br />
verlibria? natirlebi verlibria? me<br />
ar davbadebulvar verlibrSi, me davibade<br />
poeziaSi.<br />
P.S. meeWveba ase waradgendnen axal<br />
wigns. marTla ise gamovida, mTvrali<br />
miwismzomeli rom sinamdviles aurdaurevs.<br />
arada, es wigni sayovelTaoa, yvelanairi<br />
jurisa da Janris mkiTxvelis-<br />
Tvis:<br />
Tavgadasavlebis moyvarulTaTvis<br />
istoriisadmi TavmodrekilTaTvis<br />
eTnografiiT dainteresebulTaTvis<br />
sasiyvarulo, romantikulisadmi<br />
TvalebminabulTaTvis<br />
uxamsobis motrfialeTaTvis<br />
fantastikurSi dakargulTaTvis<br />
ironiulad TvalebmowkurulTaTvis<br />
filosofia - sibrZneebisaken miltolvilTaTvis<br />
paTetikisken midrekilTaTvis<br />
Sara-gzisa da nagavsayrelis xifa-<br />
TosnebisaTvis<br />
avtoriT aRfrTovanebulTaTvis<br />
poeziaze gadareulTaTvis<br />
TqvennairebisaTvis<br />
CemnairebisaTvisac -<br />
`adre megona, rom yvelas vuyvardi.<br />
mere mindoda, rom yvelas vyvarebodi.<br />
axla minda, rom Tavi damanebon~.
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