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Tvisebrivi meTodebi socialur kvlevaSi - Center for Social Sciences Tvisebrivi meTodebi socialur kvlevaSi - Center for Social Sciences

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- igivea. - Cemi azriT, igivea. - aranairad naklebad. - SedarebiT naklebi SeiZleba iyos. - iqidan gamomdinare, rom Telavi saqarTvelosTan SedarebiT Zalian pataraa... - ara, me vityodi piriqiT, TbilisSi ufro, Cemi azriT, naklebia, vidre aq — patara qalaqia, magram Zalian [gavrcelebulia]. - procentulad Tu aiRebT, am SemTxvevaSi ... - SeiZleba sadRac naklebi Tanxaa gadasaxdeli, magram Semosavalic naklebia. - eg aris mTavari, Tu korufcia ra donezea? is aris mTavari, ramdens ixdi, Tu ra donezea? is xom mainc iRebs am SemTxvevaSi? korufcia is aris, rom iman SeiZleba — uxeSad ar gamigo — lari aiRos, magram iman xom mainc safasurad gagikeTa! am wuTas korufciazea laparaki, samarTlebrivi is rom irRveva; aqac sakmaod irRveva. - ki, hoda Tanabrad aris procentulad Tu aviRebT. - nu, Tanabrad. piradad Tqven Tu gqoniaT Sexeba korufciasTan? - albaT, yvelas hqonia met-naklebad. - met-naklebad. - me SemiZlia vTqva, rom ar mqonia. Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva, rom arasodes ar mqonia. - ho, axla mec vfiqrob, ra vici, verafers ver vigoneb. - qrTami ar mimicia, magram vici, rom... Tqvens pirad gamocdilebas davubrundebiT , magram manamde — ra aris korufciis gavrcelebis mizezi saqarTveloSi, ra iwvevs korufcias? - Cemi azriT, ucodinroba. - kanonis ucodinroba. - gaunaTlebloba. - samarTlebrivi... - arsebuli mdgomareoba, raSic Cven vcxovrobT, is saSinelebebi, ase vTqvaT, rac dRes-dReobiT xdeba: ukanonoba... - es SeiZleba iyos erTi kompleqsi, socialuri foni, zogadi socialuri foni, rodesac igive dabali xelfasi aqvT saxelmwifo samsaxurSi da bunebrivia, sajaro moxeles ar SeuZlia 16 larian xelfasze cxovreba. aqedanac gamomdinareobs, erTi faqtori SeiZleba es gamovyoT. meore faqtori, TviTon moqalaqis samarTlebrivi ganaTlebis zedmetad dabali done. mesame faqtoric SeiZleba arsebobdes am SemTxvevaSi... - mainc araferi ar Seicvleba. - mesame faqtoria umTavresi, zogadad saxelmwifoSi ukve sakanonmdeblo vakuumi, rodesac esa Tu is urTierToba ar regulirdeba kanoniT, aq yovelTvis iqmneba raRac SezRuduli wre, sadac mimdinareobs es procesi. anu es procesi rom SeCerdes, es vakuumi unda moispos aucileblad. igive universitetSi, ganaTlebis sistemaSi, es vakuumebi Zalian bevria. ganaTlebis sistemaSi konkretulad ra vakuumebia? - vTqvaT, igive ar aris gansazRvruli studentis da universitetis valdebulebebi. Cven praqtikulad aranair, rodesac SemovdivarT universitetSi, formalurad Tu iuridiulad ar xdeba gamijvna, ra valdebulebebi aqvs universitets Cvens mimarT. - es valdebulebebi wesdebiT aris gansazRvruli. - ho, wesdebiT aris gansazRvruli, magram sainteresoa, ramdeni icnobs am wesdebas, xom? - erTi procenti. - erTic ara. Tu aris es wesdeba da Tqven mas ar icnobT, maSin iqneb sxva problemasTan 82

gvaqvs saqme? - ara, universitetSi rom Semodis studenti, iq unda xdebodes piradi gasaubreba da uflebebis ganmarteba. - ki, magram ar xdeba. - magram me ras viZaxi — TviTon kanoni ukve ar avaldebulebs universitets, rom [studentis] Semosvlis Tanave, Tavisive iniciativiT... - anu Tu gainteresebs Seni uflebebi, is getyvis uxeSad: me unda gaswavlo, Sen unda iswavlo; is arc imas getyvis, rom Tu ar iswavli, fuli gadamixadeo... - gasagebia, vTqvaT, igive Cvens universitetze rom aviRoT, debulebaSi wlebis ganmavlobaSi iyo Cadebuli, rom 40% vTqvaT fasiani seqtoridan Semosuli Tanxebis unda moxmarebodaT studentebs, TviTon universitets, materialurteqikuri bazis saxiT, xolo 60% leqtorebs xelfasebis saxiT — ar xmardeboda, martivad imitom, rom mxolod im adamianebs hqondaT es debuleba wakiTxuli, vinc es miiRo. da sakmaod rTulad mosapovebeli dokumentia dRemde. sxva mizezebi, sxva mosazrebebi? - Cemi azriT, SeiZleba cota xmamaRali naTqvami iyos Cemi mxridan, magram TelavSi, yovel SemTxvevaSi, asea, me ase mgonia, rom Cveni mTavroba da xalxi erTmaneTTan kavSirSi saerTod ar aris, anu Cven, adamiani laparakobs sul sxva enaze, mTavroba laparakobs sul sxva enaze, Cvens problemebze ar laparakoben. mTavrobas xalxi ar irCevs? - irCevs, magram raRac momentSi isini ... - formalurad irCevs. - adamianebis azrs isini aRar aqceven yuradRebas imis Semdeg, rac isini amorCeulebi arian. - dabali politikuri kulturac aris amomrCevlisa, amas aucileblad unda gavusvaT xazi, ZiriTadad populisti [politikosebi]. - me ise mgonia, rom xalxi arc cdilobs imis gamosworebas, rac xdeba. - es yvelaferi modis, Cemi azriT, mainc saboloo jamSi imas vfiqrob, im doneze midis ukve aqcenti, rom mTavroba, mTavroba — me vfiqrob, yvela CvenTaganis bralic, imitom rom saganmanaTleblo sistema Zalian dabal donezea, es SeiZleba imis bralic aris, amis bralic, magram Cven kargad viciT, rom Tu adamians unda swavla da raRacis miRweva, gadalaxavs im raRac problemebs, magram kidev viZaxi, rogorc weRan vTqvi, Cven vuwyobT amas xels da Cveni isic aris. - ki. - sxvaTaSoris, bibliidan moviyvan, rom codvili is ki ar aris, vinc qrTams iRebs, Sen codvili xar, rodesac qrTams aZlev. da am SemTxvevaSi — me maqvs micemuli, vTqvaT, qrTami da me Cems Tavs ufro vTvli am SemTxvevaSi damnaSaved, vidre imas, vinc aiRo es. - erTi faqti SemiZlia — dResdReobiT imasac davoben, uxeSad rom SevadaroT, qaTami ufro adre gaCnda Tu kvercxi; igive situaciaa, meqrTameoba ufro adre gaCnda Tu TviTon meqrTame? imdenad gadajaWvulia es yvelaferi erTmaneTze, igive Cvens dRevandel mdgomareobaSi, rom... - eg marTalia; iyo periodi, roca arc codna, araferi marTla ar fasdeboda, marTla gareT rCebodi, marTla katastrofa iyo. axla laparakia am Senobaze, am qalaqze, am qveyanaze Tu ...? - am Senobazec, am qalaqzec da am qveyanazec. elementarulad, ver Sexval, gindac codna gqondes, ver Sexval, Tu raRac gadasaxadi ar Seitane universitetSi; misaReb gamocdebze erTxel CaWra, orjer CaWra, samjer CaWra — es ukve xdeboda raRac katastrofulad. axla mase aRar aris? - me vfiqrob, axla SeiZleba ase iyos, magram mcodnes xmis amoRebis unari da saSualeba eqneba, odnav mainc rom gaitanos Tavisi simarTle. - meti aqvs. - ukve raRas sasikeTo Zvrebi iqneba, ukve raRac testireba, romelic unda 83

- igivea.<br />

- Cemi azriT, igivea.<br />

- aranairad naklebad.<br />

- SedarebiT naklebi SeiZleba iyos.<br />

- iqidan gamomdinare, rom Telavi saqarTvelosTan SedarebiT Zalian pataraa...<br />

- ara, me vityodi piriqiT, TbilisSi ufro, Cemi azriT, naklebia, vidre aq —<br />

patara qalaqia, magram Zalian [gavrcelebulia].<br />

- procentulad Tu aiRebT, am SemTxvevaSi ...<br />

- SeiZleba sadRac naklebi Tanxaa gadasaxdeli, magram Semosavalic naklebia.<br />

- eg aris mTavari, Tu korufcia ra donezea? is aris mTavari, ramdens ixdi, Tu<br />

ra donezea? is xom mainc iRebs am SemTxvevaSi? korufcia is aris, rom iman<br />

SeiZleba — uxeSad ar gamigo — lari aiRos, magram iman xom mainc safasurad<br />

gagikeTa! am wuTas korufciazea laparaki, samarTlebrivi is rom irRveva; aqac<br />

sakmaod irRveva.<br />

- ki, hoda Tanabrad aris procentulad Tu aviRebT.<br />

- nu, Tanabrad.<br />

piradad Tqven Tu gqoniaT Sexeba korufciasTan?<br />

- albaT, yvelas hqonia met-naklebad.<br />

- met-naklebad.<br />

- me SemiZlia vTqva, rom ar mqonia. Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva, rom arasodes ar<br />

mqonia.<br />

- ho, axla mec vfiqrob, ra vici, verafers ver vigoneb.<br />

- qrTami ar mimicia, magram vici, rom...<br />

Tqvens pirad gamocdilebas davubrundebiT , magram manamde — ra aris<br />

korufciis gavrcelebis mizezi saqarTveloSi, ra iwvevs korufcias?<br />

- Cemi azriT, ucodinroba.<br />

- kanonis ucodinroba.<br />

- gaunaTlebloba.<br />

- samarTlebrivi...<br />

- arsebuli mdgomareoba, raSic Cven vcxovrobT, is saSinelebebi, ase vTqvaT,<br />

rac dRes-dReobiT xdeba: ukanonoba...<br />

- es SeiZleba iyos erTi kompleqsi, <strong>socialur</strong>i foni, zogadi <strong>socialur</strong>i foni,<br />

rodesac igive dabali xelfasi aqvT saxelmwifo samsaxurSi da bunebrivia,<br />

sajaro moxeles ar SeuZlia 16 larian xelfasze cxovreba. aqedanac gamomdinareobs,<br />

erTi faqtori SeiZleba es gamovyoT. meore faqtori, TviTon<br />

moqalaqis samarTlebrivi ganaTlebis zedmetad dabali done. mesame faqtoric<br />

SeiZleba arsebobdes am SemTxvevaSi...<br />

- mainc araferi ar Seicvleba.<br />

- mesame faqtoria umTavresi, zogadad saxelmwifoSi ukve sakanonmdeblo<br />

vakuumi, rodesac esa Tu is urTierToba ar regulirdeba kanoniT, aq yovelTvis<br />

iqmneba raRac SezRuduli wre, sadac mimdinareobs es procesi. anu es procesi<br />

rom SeCerdes, es vakuumi unda moispos aucileblad. igive universitetSi,<br />

ganaTlebis sistemaSi, es vakuumebi Zalian bevria.<br />

ganaTlebis sistemaSi konkretulad ra vakuumebia?<br />

- vTqvaT, igive ar aris gansazRvruli studentis da universitetis<br />

valdebulebebi. Cven praqtikulad aranair, rodesac SemovdivarT universitetSi,<br />

<strong>for</strong>malurad Tu iuridiulad ar xdeba gamijvna, ra valdebulebebi aqvs<br />

universitets Cvens mimarT.<br />

- es valdebulebebi wesdebiT aris gansazRvruli.<br />

- ho, wesdebiT aris gansazRvruli, magram sainteresoa, ramdeni icnobs am<br />

wesdebas, xom?<br />

- erTi procenti.<br />

- erTic ara.<br />

Tu aris es wesdeba da Tqven mas ar icnobT, maSin iqneb sxva problemasTan<br />

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