“umjobesia omi, vidre mSvidoba, romelic RmerTs gangvaSorebs” (wm
“umjobesia omi, vidre mSvidoba, romelic RmerTs gangvaSorebs” (wm “umjobesia omi, vidre mSvidoba, romelic RmerTs gangvaSorebs” (wm
ogorc qriste aris erTarsi mamisa bunebiT da madliT, aseve, episkoposic, srul erTobaSia eklesiasTan sarwmunoebaSi da sarwmunoebis saqmeebSi. SeuZlebelia, eklesiaSi, episkopossa da mrevls sxvadasxva sarwmunoeba hqondeT, iseve, rogorc SeuZlebelia sxvadasxva buneba hqondeT qristes da mamas! wm. egnatesaTvis marTlmadideblobis kriteriumi episkoposis sarwmunoebaa, yvela (samRvdeloeba da mrevli) srul TanxmobaSi unda iyos episkoposTan. amasve evedreba korinTelebs wm. pavle mociquli: "raTa masve ityodeT yovelni, da nu iyofin Tquen Soris wvaleba, aramed iyveniT ganmtkicebulni miTve gonebiTa da miTve mecnierebiTa" (1kor. 1,10). `eklesiis winamZRolis – episkoposis mixedviT cxondeba anda xifaTSi vardeba mTeli eklesia~ (wm. grigol RmrTismetyveli, werili #34). xolo wm. irineos lioneli ufro Sors midis: - “wm. irineos lioneli mwvalebelTa rangSi ayenebs im episkoposebs, romlebic sakuTar siamovnebas emsaxurebian, qedmaRloben TavianTi TanamdeboboT da farulad mraval borotebas sCadian. igi mouwodebs qristianebs ganeSoron anu gawyviton erToba yvela aseTTan” («Против Ересей», IV, 26, 3-4). marTlmadideblobis kriteriumad wm. mama `samociqulo xeldasxmas, Seuryvnel, umwikvlo swavlebas da znekeTil, ubiwo cxovrebas~ (iqve, 26,5) miiCnevs. SegviZlia gavagrZeloT mociqulTa da mamaTa citireba am sakiTxze, magram vfiqrob Cveni intervius formats gauWirdeba am zRva masalis datevna. A ase, rom episkoposi aucileblad gvWirdeboda da roca dro mova, aq saqarTveloSi adgilobrivi episkoposic gveyoleba! kiTxva: dagvixasiaTeT, Tu SeiZleba, is konkretuli mizezebi, ris gamoc ganudegiT qarTuli oficialuri eklesiis sinods Tavis droze; da ratom uwodeben sqizmas Tqvens eklesiur erTobas; da ra kanonis safuZvelze ar SeiZleba CaiTvalos Tqveni mRvdeloqmedeba da saeklesio erToba sqizmad? e.i. gTxovT, kanonikurad ganmartoT ra aris sqizma da ra aris dedaeklesia? პასუხი: mizezebze zemoT visaubreT ukve. rac Seexeba sqizmas. sqizma maSin iqneboda, Tu Cven orgzisi krebis me-13, me-14 da me-15 muxlis pirveli nawilis Sesabamisad moviqceodiT da saeklesio erTobas davarRvevdiT, sxvadasxva ara sarwmunoebriv mizezTa gamo! wm. basili didi ambobda: eklesiaSi sqizma Semoaqvs mas, visac eklesiaSi Semoaqvs siaxle. Tqven gansajeT, vis Semoqonda 1962 wlidan ekumenisturi siaxleebi eklesiaSi? (am wlidan monawileobda ilia II ekumenizmSi, 1961 wels ekurTxa episkoposad)! rac Seexeba wm. mamaTa sityvas, rom visTvisac eklesia deda ar aris, misTvis RmerTi mama ver iqnebao. zedmiwevniT esadageba sxvadasxva mwvaleblobaTa religiur sinkretizmSi aTqvefil e.w. ofic. marTlmadideblur saydrebis mpyrobelebs. tyuilad hgoniaT zogierTs, rom dedaeklesia ganisazRvreba adgildebareobis, istoriulobis, erovnulobis an sxva raime amasofliuri niSniT. yovelTvis unda gvaxsovdes macxovris sityvebi Tqmuli ebraeli eris mimarT –
“9. da nu hgonebT da ityჳT TaviT TჳsiT: mamaჲ gჳvis Cuen abrahami. rameTu getyჳ Tquen, viTarmed: SemZlebel ars RmerTi aRdginebad qvaTa amaTgan Svilad abrahamisa. 10. rameTu awve esera culi ZirTa Tana xeTasa Zes. yovelman xeman romelman ara gamoiRos nayofi keTili, moekueTos da cecxlsa daedvas.” (MmaT. 3,9-10) 11. xolo getyჳ Tquen, rameTu: mravalni mzisa-aRmosavaliT da dasavaliT movidodian da inaჴ-idgmiden abrahamis Tana da isakis Tana da iakobis Tana sasufevelsa caTasa. 12. xolo Zeni igi sasufevelisani ganiTxinen bnelsa mas garesknelsa. mun iyos tirili da RrWenaჲ kbilTaჲ.(maT. 8,11) 39. miuges da hrques mas: mamaჲ Cueni abrahami ars. miugo iesu da hrqua maT: ukueTumca Svilni abrahamisni iyveniT, saqmeTamca abrahamisTa iqmodeT. (ioan. 8,39) 58. hrqua maT iesu: amen, amen getyჳ Tquen: pirvel abrahamis yofadmde me var. (ioan. 8,58). macxovris mier naTqvami sityvebi dRemde ZalaSi rCeba. sadac ar aris RmerTis WeSmariti msaxureba, anu sadac ar aris marTlaRmsarebloba WeSmaritebisa, iq ar SeiZleba iyos WeSmariti eklesia! "aw ukve sarwmunoebai same smenisagan ars, xolo smenai sityviTa RmrTisaiTa" – (rom.10, 17) kaTolike eklesiad marTlaRsaarebasa saxelisa misisasa uwoda macxovarman, odes igi netarebai misca netarsa mociqulsa petres da Tqua: amas kldesa zeda, ese igi ars marTlaRsaarebasa, aRvaSeno eklesiai Cemi da bWeni jojoxeTisani ver ereodian mas (maT. 16, 18). aw ukue mauwyeT, Tu romelsa pirsa, anu romelsa sityuasa zeda iqmna erTobai ege, da ukueTu keTilad iqmna, arca me ucxo viqmne marTlisa wesisagan. (wm. maqsime aRmsarebeli, cxovreba) wm. maqsime aRmsareblis es brwyinvale ganmarteba eklesiisa dRevandel WeSmarit marTlmadidebelTaTvis didi sulieri nugeSiniscemaa! A ase, rom dedaeklesia aris iq, sadac WeSmaritebis erTgulebaa da ara ekumenizmisa an sxva ram wvalebisa! kiTxva: gTxovT, daaxasiaToT ასევე, msoflio oficialuri eklesiebis dRevandeli kanonikuri mdgomareoba, sinamdvileSi arian isini marTlmadidebeli eklesia, rogorc isini Tavis Tavs uwodeben, Tu atyueben erebs da raSi mdgomareobs maTi es tyuili? პასუხი: romel saeklesio kanonebs arRveven dRevandeli ofic. sapatriarqoebi? mociqulTa kanonebi 10, 11, 30, 45, 46, 65, 71. petre-pavles ganwesebani 8,9, 10 11. laodikia6, 9, 14, 33, 31 34, 39. antioqiis 1, 2. me-7 msofl. saekl. kreba 1. ai, maTi kanonikuri mdgomareoba! saxelganTqmuli kanonisti nikodimos mTawmideli wers: `es wigni (pidalioni _ `didi sjulis kanoni~) aris RmrTaebrivi werili wmida werilis Semdeg, aRTqma, Zveli da axali aRTqmis Semdeg. es wigni aris maradiuli sazRvrebi, romlebic Cvenma mamebma dagviweses, kanonebi, romlebic msoflio da adgilobrivma krebebma sul wmidisagan miiRes. es wigni WeSmaritad saWea (`pidalioni~ niSnavs saWes) kaTolike eklesiisa, romlis marTviTac eklesia Tavis mezRvaurebsa da mgzavrebs, vgulisxmob samRvdeloebasa da mrevls, caTa sasufevlis mSvid navTsayudelSi miiyvans~. `msoflio da adgilobriv krebaTa kanonebsa da ganwesebebs Cven vRebulobT, rogorc TviT wmida saxarebebs Tanaxmad VI msoflio krebis 2 kanonisa da novelaTa
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“9. da nu hgonebT da ityჳT TaviT TჳsiT: mamaჲ gჳvis Cuen abrahami. rameTu getyჳ<br />
Tquen, viTarmed: SemZlebel ars RmerTi aRdginebad qvaTa amaTgan Svilad abrahamisa.<br />
10. rameTu awve esera culi ZirTa Tana xeTasa Zes. yovelman xeman romelman ara<br />
gamoiRos nayofi keTili, moekueTos da cecxlsa daedvas.” (MmaT. 3,9-10)<br />
11. xolo getyჳ Tquen, rameTu: mravalni mzisa-aRmosavaliT da dasavaliT movidodian<br />
da inaჴ-idgmiden abrahamis Tana da isakis Tana da iakobis Tana sasufevelsa caTasa.<br />
12. xolo Zeni igi sasufevelisani ganiTxinen bnelsa mas garesknelsa. mun iyos<br />
tirili da RrWenaჲ kbilTaჲ.(maT. 8,11)<br />
39. miuges da hrques mas: mamaჲ Cueni abrahami ars. miugo iesu da hrqua maT:<br />
ukueTumca Svilni abrahamisni iyveniT, saqmeTamca abrahamisTa iqmodeT. (ioan. 8,39)<br />
58. hrqua maT iesu: amen, amen getyჳ Tquen: pirvel abrahamis yofadmde me var. (ioan.<br />
8,58).<br />
macxovris mier naTqvami sityvebi dRemde ZalaSi rCeba. sadac ar aris RmerTis<br />
WeSmariti msaxureba, anu sadac ar aris marTlaRmsarebloba WeSmaritebisa, iq ar<br />
SeiZleba iyos WeSmariti eklesia!<br />
"aw ukve sar<strong>wm</strong>unoebai same smenisagan ars, xolo smenai sityviTa RmrTisaiTa" –<br />
(rom.10, 17) kaTolike eklesiad marTlaRsaarebasa saxelisa misisasa uwoda<br />
macxovarman, odes igi netarebai misca netarsa mociqulsa petres da Tqua: amas<br />
kldesa zeda, ese igi ars marTlaRsaarebasa, aRvaSeno eklesiai Cemi da bWeni<br />
jojoxeTisani ver ereodian mas (maT. 16, 18). aw ukue mauwyeT, Tu romelsa pirsa,<br />
anu romelsa sityuasa zeda iqmna erTobai ege, da ukueTu keTilad iqmna, arca me<br />
ucxo viqmne marTlisa wesisagan. (<strong>wm</strong>. maqsime aRmsarebeli, cxovreba)<br />
<strong>wm</strong>. maqsime aRmsareblis es brwyinvale ganmarteba eklesiisa dRevandel WeSmarit<br />
marTlmadidebelTaTvis didi sulieri nugeSiniscemaa!<br />
A ase, rom dedaeklesia aris iq, sadac WeSmaritebis erTgulebaa da ara ekumenizmisa<br />
an sxva ram wvalebisa!<br />
kiTxva:<br />
gTxovT, daaxasiaToT ასევე, msoflio oficialuri eklesiebis dRevandeli kanonikuri<br />
mdgomareoba, sinamdvileSi arian isini marTlmadidebeli eklesia, rogorc isini Tavis<br />
Tavs uwodeben, Tu atyueben erebs da raSi mdgomareobs maTi es tyuili?<br />
პასუხი:<br />
romel saeklesio kanonebs arRveven dRevandeli ofic. sapatriarqoebi?<br />
mociqulTa kanonebi 10, 11, 30, 45, 46, 65, 71. petre-pavles ganwesebani 8,9, 10 11.<br />
laodikia6, 9, 14, 33, 31 34, 39. antioqiis 1, 2. me-7 msofl. saekl. kreba 1.<br />
ai, maTi kanonikuri mdgomareoba!<br />
saxelganTqmuli kanonisti nikodimos mTa<strong>wm</strong>ideli wers: `es wigni (pidalioni _<br />
`didi sjulis kanoni~) aris RmrTaebrivi werili <strong>wm</strong>ida werilis Semdeg, aRTqma,<br />
Zveli da axali aRTqmis Semdeg. es wigni aris maradiuli sazRvrebi, romlebic Cvenma<br />
mamebma dagviweses, kanonebi, romlebic msoflio da adgilobrivma krebebma sul<br />
<strong>wm</strong>idisagan miiRes. es wigni WeSmaritad saWea (`pidalioni~ niSnavs saWes) kaTolike<br />
eklesiisa, romlis marTviTac eklesia Tavis mezRvaurebsa da mgzavrebs, vgulisxmob<br />
samRvdeloebasa da mrevls, caTa sasufevlis mSvid navTsayudelSi miiyvans~.<br />
`msoflio da adgilobriv krebaTa kanonebsa da ganwesebebs Cven vRebulobT,<br />
rogorc TviT <strong>wm</strong>ida saxarebebs Tanaxmad VI msoflio krebis 2 kanonisa da novelaTa
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