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“But it is due to candor to say, that we deem it quite probable, if not certain, though we have never examined this point with much care, that there were other branches of the Waldenses, for they were numerous, which did neither hold nor practice infant baptism. It would be difficult upon any other hypothesis to account for the opinion, confidently maintained and, without doubt, most honestly too, by the excellent brethren who reject pedobaptism, that the Waldenses were Baptists.” f401 Henry S. Burrage: “Certain it is that some of the Waldensians, how many we cannot say, but doubtless they were not few, adopted early in the thirteenth century the views of other separatists who were antipedobaptists.” f402 Fusslin: “They not only reject infant baptism, but highly esteem baptism itself.” f403 “There were in Switzerland Waldensians who rejected infant baptism.” f404 Fusslin: “The Anabaptists were not wrong, therefore, when they say that anabaptism was no new thing. The Waldensians had practiced it before them.” f406 Of Waldo and the Waldenses, Samuel M. Schmucker says: “One of the most prominent doctrines which he and his followers believed was the impropriety of the baptism of infants and the necessity of immersion to the validity of any baptism.” f407 Mosheim says of the Baptists: “It may be observed. … that they are not entirely mistaken when they boast of their descent from the Waldenses and the Petrobrussians.” f408 But if the Waldenses were adherents of infant baptism the Baptists could not have descended from them. The Baptists: “appear supported by history in considering themselves the descendents of the Waldenses.” f409 Limborch: “To speak candidly what I think of all the modern sects of Christians, the Dutch Baptists mostly resemble the Albigenses and the Waldenses.” f410 Ludo Vives, who wrote in the sixteenth century, having observed that:
“formerly no person was brought to the holy baptistry till he was of adult age, and when he had both understood what the mystical water meant, and desired to be washed in it; yea, desired it more than once,” alluding, presumably, to the Waldenses, adds: “I hear in some cities in Italy the old custom is still in a great f405 measure preserved.” f411 In an old Waldensian tract we read: “Those that believed they baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.” f413 Prof. George P. Fisher, D.D.: “There had been opposition to infant baptism in earlier days among the Waldenses and other sects.” f414 I have quoted this overwhelming amount of testimony because Pedobaptists, to prove the Waldenses did not hold to only believers’ baptism, have made a desperate fight. Possibly some Waldenses who had just come out of the Romish church, or who were yet within it — who were never of the original Waldenses, which had continued from apostolic times — may have been adherents of infant baptism. Possibly, to avoid the fiery ordeal of persecution, having no faith in it and thinking it would be harmless to their children, some Waldensian parents consented to have their children baptized. f412 But that infant baptism was generally detested by the ancient Waldenses is certainly, in this chapter, demonstrated. The Waldensians of the Reformation and the Post-Reformation period, by the reformers, were converted from only believers’ baptism. Says Armitage: “A great council of the Waldensians was held at Angrogna, in Savoy, 1532, to which the Swiss Protestants sent Farel and Olivetan, and then a new departure was taken. Henceforth the Piedmontese Waldensians were joined to the Swiss Protestant Pedobaptists.” f415 Robert Baird says of modern Waldenses: “That there was a falling off in relation to sound doctrine towards the close of the last century, and in the beginning of the present, cannot be denied. This was brought about by the influence of Geneva and Lausanne, especially the former, whither the Waldenses have been in the habit of sending their young men to pursue their studies for the ministry. When Calvin established the academy at Geneva provision was made for the education of two students from the valleys. At Lausanne provision was made for five in the academy or university of that city. In consequence of this there have always been seven Waldensian students of theology prosecuting their studies in those institutions during the last three hundred years.” f417
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“But it is due to candor to say, that we deem it quite probable, if not certain,<br />
though we have never examined this point with much care, that there were<br />
other branches of the Waldenses, for they were numerous, which did neither<br />
hold nor practice infant baptism. It would be difficult upon any other<br />
hypothesis to account for the opinion, confidently maintained and, without<br />
doubt, most honestly too, by the excellent brethren who reject pedobaptism,<br />
that the Waldenses were <strong>Baptist</strong>s.” f401<br />
Henry S. Burrage:<br />
“Certain it is that some of the Waldensians, how many we cannot say, but<br />
doubtless they were not few, adopted early in the thirteenth century the views<br />
of other separatists who were antipedobaptists.” f402<br />
Fusslin:<br />
“They not only reject infant baptism, but highly esteem baptism itself.” f403<br />
“There were in Switzerland Waldensians who rejected infant baptism.” f404<br />
Fusslin:<br />
“The Anabaptists were not wrong, therefore, when they say that anabaptism<br />
was no new thing. The Waldensians had practiced it before them.” f406<br />
Of Waldo and the Waldenses, Samuel M. Schmucker says:<br />
“One of the most prominent doctrines which he and his followers believed<br />
was the impropriety of the baptism of infants and the necessity of immersion<br />
to the validity of any baptism.” f407<br />
Mosheim says of the <strong>Baptist</strong>s:<br />
“It may be observed. … that they are not entirely mistaken when they boast of<br />
their descent from the Waldenses and the Petrobrussians.” f408<br />
But if the Waldenses were adherents of infant baptism the <strong>Baptist</strong>s could not<br />
have descended from them.<br />
The <strong>Baptist</strong>s:<br />
“appear supported by history in considering themselves the descendents of the<br />
Waldenses.” f409<br />
Limborch:<br />
“To speak candidly what I think of all the modern sects of Christians, the<br />
Dutch <strong>Baptist</strong>s mostly resemble the Albigenses and the Waldenses.” f410<br />
Ludo Vives, who wrote in the sixteenth century, having observed that: