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30(5 REGULAR BOARD MEETING JULY 21, 1993 TOWN HALL 7:30 P.M. Peter Schreier, 7643 Back Creek Road: I have concerns about the rezoning and questions that I hope can be ansv/ered. Hr. Dake is this a two (2) person operation or do you have other employoes on site who are helping to split and cut wood? Greg Dake, 7825 Back Creek Road: operation This is two (2) person Peter Schreier: Town Board, after reading the recommendation from the Planning Board on of which was a two (2) year limit, if this is approved what happens after the two (2) year limit, will it be automatically renewed, up for review or how is that handled? Supervisor Kennedy: When the Planning Board made their recommendation they were under the impression that you could grant a "Special Use Permit" established under certain co.iditions and they listed the conditions that thought would be imposed if in fact this operation were to continue. ' It was the consensus of the" Town Attorney after receipt of this letter froin the Planning Board that "Special Use Permits" are only utilized in the Town of Boston for certain applied applications. V'v'e returned this application to the Planning Board indicating that it was our understanding from consultations with Legal Council that it did not come under the framework of a "Special Use Permit" and the only way that this operation could continue was if the property were rezoned. Peter Schreier: on this? If it is rezoned there will be no time limitation Supervisor Kennedy: No there would not be. A.ad it covers a multitude of other operations also that would be included under this M-1 zoning. Peter Schreier: I certainly have empathy for the Dake's based on the economic situation from 1987, is there a time limit v;here you can foresee that you will have repurchased the property and then ceased this extended operation? Greg Dake: That v/ill be fourteen (14) years frora nov/. Peter Schreier: In the environmental assessment I read that you already have a D.E.C. permit for graveling in eighteen r.iie creek. To v/hat extent does this affect the lumbering or for what purpose is that permit? Greg Dake: That permit allows me to when I v/ish to take gravel from the creek bed. We don't use it very often. That has nothing to do with this. Peter Schreier: In the last couple of weeks I have looked around Boston and agree v/ith some of my neighbors that there are other properties in commercial zoning that are available for sale in the Tov/n of Boston. Living in a residential area I have concerns for the safety of the neighborhood and the children. It is a jogging path, bicycle and v/alking path for kids. There is a huge inpact of pedestrians on that road because of the playgrounds and the nature of it being an off commercial type of use. I have great concern of someone being injured. Finally, I have fear that if you make an exception you are opening up a pandoras' box and I v/orr-/ about that. My recommendation would be that the Dake's continue the business, but in a zoned area that v/ould allov/ it and not to expose the Tov/n of Boston to continue their open zoning changes- Thank you. Ceil Novak: I an mainly concerned about the safety factors. I would like to ask the Tov/n Clerk hcv/ nany people received notices? Town Clerk Shenk: Thirty-one (31). .J
33 REGULAR BOARD MEETING JULY 21, 1993 TOWN HALL 7:30 P.M. Ceil Novak: Are those the total number of people living on Back Creek Road or are you restricted just to sending a certain number of notices out? Because we did not receive a notice and a lot of our neighbors around us did not receive notices. Town Clerk Shenk: I you would like after the Public Hearing I would be more than happy to show you the assessors maps that I used and the law that 1 used that guided me through determining which properties needed to be notified. Ceil Novak: I would like to ask eatih one of the Town Board Members how they would like to have these trucks rolling up and down the road after they had been living in a residential area for thirtysome years? I have empathy for the Dake's and also feel that there are other places in town and the safety of our children and citizens should be our prime concern here. Don't-let these trucks roll up and down Back Creek Road, please. Just come over and view it a few days out of the week and'see what is happening. Now it is down it is not bad now but when it is rolling full blast it was going. Thank you. Councilman Flowers: Mr & Mrs Dake could you arrange a schedule of delivery for your logs or product that would come in at an off peak time? Greg Dake: They are all scheduled. I will take exceptiorrto noise and trucks. I don't think you people know how many trucks passed down that road this year for me. There are other people south of me that get deliveries. Logging trucks go through DOT inspection stations every time they come. They always come from the north. So far this year on Back Creek Road there have been seventeen (17) trucks for me. I am not the only person in my area that has a chain saw. I use a chain saw about two (2) hours a day and that is at intermittent sessions. My processor has the same engine as a pickup truck, it will hum but it won't scream. The men that drive these log trucks are not going to hurt your children. They are professionals, the logs are chained, they drive slow. I have not had sixteen (16) loads per week. I would like to talk with anybody here one on one with what we are doing. Noise or volume of truck traffic. These men work from eight in the morning until four in the afternoon, Monday thru Friday. Yes, I could try. I would have to talk with the owners of the companies. Councilman Flowers: Do you know of any problems that your delivery trucks have ever had on Back Creek Road? Greg Dake: No. Councilman Wohlhueter: I believe that Mr. Dake has an option however, he is asking for an M-1 zoning. This is spot zoning. Right now it is zoned residential which it should stay because in an M-1 rezoning if the Dake's were to move and someone else went in there they could put any of the operations in that are stated in the zoning ordinance. There is another alternative and the Town Attorney can verify this. If this zoning is denied it could go to the Zoning Board of Appeals and apply for an economic hardship variance. If this was granted by the Zoning Board of Appeals, I believe they have jurisdiction over the Town Board and this variance would only apply to this particular operation. Town Attorney Perley: Under the Town Law of the State of New York if this zoning is turned down tonight the Dake's have a couple of options. They can sue the Town Board of the Town of Boston, under article 78 of the CPLR, they can apply to the Zoning Board of Appeals for a variance on the basis of an economic hardship, or discontinue the business. 807 1 J
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33<br />
REGULAR BOARD MEETING<br />
JULY 21, 1993<br />
TOWN HALL<br />
7:30 P.M.<br />
Ceil Novak: Are those the total number of people living on Back<br />
Creek <strong>Road</strong> or are you restricted just to sending a certain number<br />
of notices out? Because we did not receive a notice and a lot of<br />
our neighbors around us did not receive notices.<br />
Town Clerk Shenk: I you would like after the Public Hearing I<br />
would be more than happy to show you the assessors maps that I used<br />
and the law that 1 used that guided me through determining which<br />
properties needed to be notified.<br />
Ceil Novak: I would like to ask eatih one of the Town Board Members<br />
how they would like to have these trucks rolling up and down the<br />
road after they had been living in a residential area for thirtysome<br />
years? I have empathy for the Dake's and also feel that there<br />
are other places in town and the safety of our children and<br />
citizens should be our prime concern here. Don't-let these trucks<br />
roll up and down Back Creek <strong>Road</strong>, please. Just come over and view<br />
it a few days out of the week and'see what is happening. Now it is<br />
down it is not bad now but when it is rolling full blast it was<br />
going. Thank you.<br />
Councilman Flowers: Mr & Mrs Dake could you arrange a schedule of<br />
delivery for your logs or product that would come in at an off peak<br />
time?<br />
Greg Dake: They are all scheduled. I will take exceptiorrto noise<br />
and trucks. I don't think you people know how many trucks passed<br />
down that road this year for me. There are other people south of<br />
me that get deliveries. Logging trucks go through DOT inspection<br />
stations every time they come. They always come from the north.<br />
So far this year on Back Creek <strong>Road</strong> there have been seventeen (17)<br />
trucks for me. I am not the only person in my area that has a<br />
chain saw. I use a chain saw about two (2) hours a day and that is<br />
at intermittent sessions. My processor has the same engine as a<br />
pickup truck, it will hum but it won't scream. The men that drive<br />
these log trucks are not going to hurt your children. They are<br />
professionals, the logs are chained, they drive slow. I have not<br />
had sixteen (16) loads per week. I would like to talk with anybody<br />
here one on one with what we are doing. Noise or volume of truck<br />
traffic.<br />
These men work from eight in the morning until four in the<br />
afternoon, Monday thru Friday. Yes, I could try. I would have to<br />
talk with the owners of the companies.<br />
Councilman Flowers: Do you know of any problems that your delivery<br />
trucks have ever had on Back Creek <strong>Road</strong>?<br />
Greg Dake: No.<br />
Councilman Wohlhueter: I believe that Mr. Dake has an option<br />
however, he is asking for an M-1 zoning. This is spot zoning.<br />
Right now it is zoned residential which it should stay because in<br />
an M-1 rezoning if the Dake's were to move and someone else went in<br />
there they could put any of the operations in that are stated in<br />
the zoning ordinance. There is another alternative and the Town<br />
Attorney can verify this. If this zoning is denied it could go to<br />
the Zoning Board of Appeals and apply for an economic hardship<br />
variance. If this was granted by the Zoning Board of Appeals, I<br />
believe they have jurisdiction over the Town Board and this<br />
variance would only apply to this particular operation.<br />
Town Attorney Perley: Under the Town Law of the State of New York<br />
if this zoning is turned down tonight the Dake's have a couple of<br />
options. They can sue the Town Board of the Town of Boston, under<br />
article 78 of the CPLR, they can apply to the Zoning Board of<br />
Appeals for a variance on the basis of an economic hardship, or<br />
discontinue the business.<br />
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