HEARING - U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging
HEARING - U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging HEARING - U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging
47 Chairman MELCHER. Well, I have concluded one thing, and I want to be sure I am right. What you are really recommending is that we go beyond the Bowen proposal to take care of some of the gaps that were evidenced today. Mr. SHAPLAND. That is right. What I want you to realize is that the gaps that he is trying to close have already been closed, plus they are very minor gaps in any event, even if they had not been closed, compared to-look at the chart over there; that is all you have got to do-and you see that Mr. Bowen's proposal is a scratch in the bucket or a drop in the bucket or whatever you want to call it, compared to what the catastrophic needs today are. I mean, for people who are spending money who are not covered by insurance programs, it is nursing home care, and Bowen does not make any change in the nursing home coverage. Chairman MELCHER. And home health care, too. Mr. SHAPLAND. Home health care, respite care. All of those things need to be wrestled with. We have to decide what are the true catastrophic needs of the people, but also how do you finance them, and then how do you change health care to minimize those costs besides. And home health care and respite care and those things were suggested here today, and those are good suggestions or ways of trying to minimize the health care costs that are out there, and let people take care of their own, but have some relief and so on, to keep people at home. Chairman MELCIHER. Mr. Shapland, I am sure you have paid attention to and gone through very carefully the booklet, the paper published by the Harvard Medicare Project in March of last year that said-I think they titled it, "Medicare Coming of Age.' In that, they say that one-quarter of all Medigap plans are worthless because they simply duplicate existing Medicare coverage. First of all, does the Health Insurance Association of America take care of everybody? Does everybody that sells Medigap insurance belong to this association? Mr. SHAPLAND. No. The Health Insurance Association of America represents the majority of the health insurance business, but not all of it. Chairman MELCHER. Is that statement of theirs in this study correct, that one-fourth of all Medigap policies merely duplicate what is already there, and coverage that is already there in Medicare? Mr. SHAPLAND. I have not read the report, but that statementmaybe it is being taken out of context-I would say it is a blatant lie. Chairman MELCHER. It is what? Mr. SHAPLAND. A blatant lie, unless it is being taken out of context. Chairman MELCHER. Oh, I just assumed that probably you knew a lot more about this report than I do. Mr. SHAPLAND. No, I have not read the report. Chairman MELCHER. Would you mind digesting it for us? Mr. SHAPLAND. Let me explain why I say that it cannot be true. The Health Insurance Association of America, the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, people from HCFA, people from AARP-just a broad spectrum of people-sat down many years ago and said if companies are going to sell a Medicare sup-
48 plement policy, what should that policy do and not do. And there was broad agreement about what it should do and not do. So all the States have laws saying what Medicare supplement policies can do and not do. And by law, there is no duplication of Medicare by a Medicare supplement policy. So I do not see how they can make a statement like that. Chairman MELCHER. Would you mind digesting it? I think there are only 80 pages or so. Would you mind digesting it and giving us your reaction to it, because I suppose it has a certain amount of prestige, and we need to fully understand-- Mr. SHAPLAND. I would say that that statement somehow had to be taken out of context, or I did not understand it. Chairman MELCHER. Yes, and that is a danger we are all prone to fall into. It would be helpful for us on the committee if we could have your reaction. Mr. SHAPLAND. I will be glad to serve your committee in that way. Chairman MELCHER. All right, thank you. One last thing. Would you recommend that standards be established for private insurance coverage to complement Medicare? We have already got the standards to a certain degree, that require Medigap policies attempt to describe their coverage. If we are seeking to close some of the real gaps, the real catastrophic gaps that now exist between private insurance and Medicare, shouldn't we have some sort of a requirement established that private insurance might attempt to pick up what is now totally uncovered, such as in many instances, nursing home or home health care? Mr. SHAPLAND. I think I understood you to say you understood that Medicare supplement policies do have in every State a legal standard that we have to follow. Chairman MELCHER. Yes. Mr. SHAPLAND. OK. But as I mentioned earlier and we got into a good dissertation on, those Medicare supplement policies only cover the types of medical expenses covered by Medicare itself, and when Medicare runs out or has coinsurance, then these policies fill in those gaps. But like you mentioned, nursing homes are not covered. Medicare supplement policies do not cover nursing home care. Chairman MELCHER. Or home health care. Mr. SHAPLAND. Or home health care and so on. Actually, Medicare pays 100 percent of the home health care it recognizes, but sometimes Medicare does not recognize certain kinds of home health care. As far as nursing home care is concerned-and that is the great, big area of catastrophic cost-the National Association of Insurance Commissioners spent some time with the industry and other people on this very. issue that you raised and just adopted some standards for nursing home policies. Chairman MELCHER. Would you provide those for us? Mr. SHAPLAND. Sure. Chairman MELCHER. All right. Thank you very much, Mr. Sham land. [The prepared statement of Mr. Shapland follows:]
- Page 1 and 2: S. HRG. 100-69 CATASTROPHIC HEALTH
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- Page 13 and 14: 10 Mrs. YELINECK. Well, it would be
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- Page 17 and 18: 14 Mrs. YELINECK. One does not expe
- Page 19 and 20: 16 Senator BURDICK. Well, thank you
- Page 21 and 22: 18 Mrs. YEL.INECK. No. I started ou
- Page 23 and 24: 20 Therefore-I am supposed to take
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- Page 31 and 32: 28 Mrs. RIEGER. We have; we have wo
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- Page 37 and 38: 34 Senator HEINZ. So it is both a p
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- Page 69 and 70: 66 Mr. SHAPLAND. I think we are in
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48<br />
plement policy, what should that policy do and not do. And there<br />
was broad agreement about what it should do and not do. So all<br />
the States have laws saying what Medicare supplement policies can<br />
do and not do. And by law, there is no duplicati<strong>on</strong> of Medicare by a<br />
Medicare supplement policy. So I do not see how they can make a<br />
statement like that.<br />
Chairman MELCHER. Would you mind digesting it? I think there<br />
are <strong>on</strong>ly 80 pages or so. Would you mind digesting it and giving us<br />
your reacti<strong>on</strong> to it, because I suppose it has a certain amount of<br />
prestige, and we need to fully understand--<br />
Mr. SHAPLAND. I would say that that statement somehow had to<br />
be taken out of c<strong>on</strong>text, or I did not understand it.<br />
Chairman MELCHER. Yes, and that is a danger we are all pr<strong>on</strong>e<br />
to fall into. It would be helpful for us <strong>on</strong> the committee if we could<br />
have your reacti<strong>on</strong>.<br />
Mr. SHAPLAND. I will be glad to serve your committee in that<br />
way.<br />
Chairman MELCHER. All right, thank you.<br />
One last thing. Would you recommend that standards be established<br />
for private insurance coverage to complement Medicare? We<br />
have already got the standards to a certain degree, that require<br />
Medigap policies attempt to describe their coverage. If we are seeking<br />
to close some of the real gaps, the real catastrophic gaps that<br />
now exist between private insurance and Medicare, shouldn't we<br />
have some sort of a requirement established that private insurance<br />
might attempt to pick up what is now totally uncovered, such as in<br />
many instances, nursing home or home health care?<br />
Mr. SHAPLAND. I think I understood you to say you understood<br />
that Medicare supplement policies do have in every State a legal<br />
standard that we have to follow.<br />
Chairman MELCHER. Yes.<br />
Mr. SHAPLAND. OK. But as I menti<strong>on</strong>ed earlier and we got into a<br />
good dissertati<strong>on</strong> <strong>on</strong>, those Medicare supplement policies <strong>on</strong>ly cover<br />
the types of medical expenses covered by Medicare itself, and when<br />
Medicare runs out or has coinsurance, then these policies fill in<br />
those gaps.<br />
But like you menti<strong>on</strong>ed, nursing homes are not covered. Medicare<br />
supplement policies do not cover nursing home care.<br />
Chairman MELCHER. Or home health care.<br />
Mr. SHAPLAND. Or home health care and so <strong>on</strong>. Actually, Medicare<br />
pays 100 percent of the home health care it recognizes, but<br />
sometimes Medicare does not recognize certain kinds of home<br />
health care.<br />
As far as nursing home care is c<strong>on</strong>cerned-and that is the great,<br />
big area of catastrophic cost-the Nati<strong>on</strong>al Associati<strong>on</strong> of Insurance<br />
Commissi<strong>on</strong>ers spent some time with the industry and other<br />
people <strong>on</strong> this very. issue that you raised and just adopted some<br />
standards for nursing home policies.<br />
Chairman MELCHER. Would you provide those for us?<br />
Mr. SHAPLAND. Sure.<br />
Chairman MELCHER. All right. Thank you very much, Mr. Sham<br />
land.<br />
[The prepared statement of Mr. Shapland follows:]