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The CHAIRIIIAN. Is ttrere objectlon<br />
to the requeEt ol the gentleman ftoE<br />
MasdthuBetts?<br />
There we3 no objectlon.<br />
Mr. O'NEILL ol Mes$f,chus€tts, Mr.<br />
ChaimEn. the Congress has aleclded<br />
rna.ny timeg before ihEt the rnain deterrent<br />
[o illegel beh4vtor by cor?oratlons<br />
le the deterrent that ls d.imed to pierce<br />
the corporate vell <strong>and</strong> Ettach to the cu-lpable<br />
indivldual. Thet deterrent is the<br />
crlrnjnal provision. The Congre8s has<br />
app[ed thls deterrent to tltega] behavlor<br />
far removed from hazards tJ14t csn result<br />
in the death or injury of lnnocent<br />
people. For exanple, vlolstlons lnvolving<br />
economlc matters, such a,s Entitrust,<br />
secuitle$ $elllng or lncome tax hBve long<br />
established crlfirlnal p€ndltles appllcable<br />
to tlrem. These sonornlc hctlvltles<br />
involve stnsll <strong>and</strong> large busines orgenizations.<br />
If there sre crl-trllnal provl-<br />
$ions in these acts thEt dffil prLEary<br />
s.lth monetflry matters: why shoultt<br />
there not be crimllral provlslotr thBt<br />
alesl with mEtters of human llfe, fln.l<br />
cover lsrge b$ines org8nlzBtlon.s Sltuated<br />
ln thls comtry axd ln foreiEn coun*<br />
trles that come wltrun th& art? why<br />
should B negli8ent driyei te erPo8ed to<br />
crlmlnal nne or lEprlsorfient, Es ls<br />
pres€ntly the ces€, snd a knowllut End<br />
wllllu] manufsctuer be er(eEpted lrom<br />
ruch judgEent?<br />
Ttre inclrelon o! crlnrlnal provl$lons ln<br />
thls act tndicLs no one. ft dffi sav that<br />
anyone who knodnsly End wlluully vlolatEs<br />
thls dtt, thBt could re6ult ln serioua<br />
hBrm or deeth, wiII be brought wlthln the<br />
rr:le of the drll[lnal ltrw. It gerueE notic€<br />
io all concemed that, sglbty L3 srloua<br />
butlne$B f,nd thst thffi rtsponslble must<br />
exert close care End sruthv ovef thelr<br />
decislorr.g 4nd superviBton. Ttru. ro ls<br />
true of all efiecttve tleterents, the cblel<br />
impMt of I crlmlnal provislon wlll be<br />
preventlve. It wlll lurther the cllmBte<br />
of ri8orou care thBt mu.tt lleroEde ttre<br />
Butomof,tve hdrrstry for the prctecUon of<br />
our Drople. The 8dminlstBtlon ol thls<br />
mt to Mhleve the maxtlru.$ sefety wlU<br />
not be esy. It wlll be even Eor6 dfncult<br />
ll t,|e <strong>Sec</strong>ret8rT hs lnsdequste entorcement<br />
tools. one thlng la certaln. The<br />
ElectEtsry bearr a hesw Hponslblllty<br />
End tJre publlc wlll ef,p€ct hjm to besr lt<br />
TEll. Tb permlt tlrlE btU to Fd$s without<br />
enlorc€ment provtElona sulted flnd netessarT<br />
to hle task wlll hYtte the delsys<br />
<strong>and</strong> ttr6 rtshy-wEshy re8dstory p€rfoMce<br />
thBt hs Huaed Eo much publlc<br />
dl8llluslon$ent wlth the proce$s€a ol<br />
Grveffirue[t. llreft k nothlng tilote calculat€d<br />
to erode publlc Fnfldetrce lfi<br />
Goveroent thEn congress glvlng a department<br />
hewy rmponslbtltty wlthout<br />
comerolHte ruttrorlty. Wc m ratElng<br />
the publlc's expdctatlons lor greater<br />
6afety; let ua move forusrd Ba we have.<br />
In the pst, to provlde B more Bolld b$e<br />
lor thetr fulflUment.<br />
Mr. STAGCERS. Mr. Chalrman, I<br />
rl.$e ll1 oppositlon to the Bmendment.<br />
Mr. ghalrEeJl r,Dd MeE.b€rs ol thc<br />
Corilrdlttee, I ho96 I do not take tbe S<br />
Ednute8 sll,ott€d to me, but nrst I would<br />
1116 to Bay that the adrtlnlsttatlon when<br />
they sent up thls bUl dld not esk for<br />
crll3rlhal penaltleo. When the Depdtt-<br />
E!4!,of JuEtlce wes esled lor 8 recorlrtenalatlon<br />
on Ulla tlley dld aot aEts lor<br />
crlmlnel F€naltle8. The Ju8tlce Departdrent<br />
rald ttrrt thcy dld not, lBvor lt. Ii<br />
lB ln t,}le Rlcor,D es lt wu jlven ln ttre<br />
other trcAy. I Eould |Ike to tDow w]ro<br />
th€ aentlcnf,n would clngle out to cbarTe<br />
wlth * crlne. You carulot put i corporatlon<br />
fn JBII. Arrr you golrur to trke<br />
one ol the men dovrr oD the llne, tlre<br />
foreman, or qrhlch one? The Department<br />
of Jutlce ssld that the blll would<br />
haye to b€ DBrroweal lI crLELE4l lr€naltle8<br />
are lncluded.<br />
Mr. O'NEIITIJ of Messachu8Ett8. Wtll<br />
the Eehtlenrril yleld?<br />
Mr. ATAGGER.B. Yed. I yleld to the<br />
gentlemEn.<br />
Mr. O'NELL ol Massachusetts. All I<br />
Tant tD Eay lE tbls: The record ol the<br />
sutomoblle lndu$try ls thl8: They hf,ve<br />
cut coffiers. They hsve cut, cotner8<br />
when the safety of the AmerlcEn publlc<br />
has ben tn que$tlon- They htrve flt<br />
mrners ln order td Beve money. I thlnts<br />
those who mBEe dffiislons to cut cornefs<br />
on matters of safety should pay the<br />
p€nalty.<br />
Mr. ATAGGERS. Who are you golng<br />
to put ln Jatl?<br />
Mr, Q'NEILIT of MB6sBchHtts. The<br />
88me &s any other act, you lEve on the<br />
bmks wlth reglrd td publlc u{ety.<br />
Mr. STAGGm,$. No one could tr€<br />
readlly ldentlfiab)e.<br />
Mr. O'NElJtrr of Ma$$achuEetts, Just<br />
Ilke every other act wlth regerd to pubuc<br />
Bafety.<br />
Mr, BTAG'GERS. But you do not'<br />
lEnow who you are golrg to put ln Jall,<br />
<strong>and</strong> it would have to be deterrnlned.<br />
Thls would tske a long t'LEe. We bave<br />
ch'll penrltles whlch coEe to elEht tl.E€€<br />
tfte propo8ed crlmlBl rnalflE. Tell<br />
me, do you biow of Eny efety EtEndards<br />
Btatutt ln tlrts lmd where we trave<br />
both ctvll Bnal crtnrtrBl p€naltles? You<br />
ca,nnot Dolnt to one. I wurld sy rlm<br />
tbat the BenBt€ debstrd rlta at qulte<br />
ro|rle lmgth. They oa,Ee up wltir a yotf<br />
oI 62 to 14 asslilrt lt.<br />
Mr. O!{HLL of Msssachusett'8. You<br />
esked me to nEme otE. Wlll t'he gentlemsn<br />
ylelal fufiher?<br />
Mr. BTAG,Gffia. I yteld.<br />
Mr. O'NEII,L of Ma.GstrhrHtts. I{ow<br />
Bbout your pre*ent peneltier wlth resard<br />
to seat belts?<br />
Mr. STAGGERS. No, tbey do not.<br />
They do not heve a.ny dvtl p6nalfles<br />
whatsever.<br />
I can Bnswer ttrat vmy qulckly, becEuae<br />
I wEa fur the comalttd€. Ym csbnot<br />
coEe up vlth one,<br />
Mr. ghstrmsn, I would llke to sEy to<br />
you now thBt the IIAA whlch ro the<br />
drll.Des ot thls courrtry do not tHve any<br />
crlmlnal pensltleE ln thelrs md they c+n<br />
take as many Es 150 or ltore on one Elrcraft,<br />
antl I would add ttEt one ls certslnly<br />
lnterestrd when one gets on m<br />
elrplane as to whettrer he 16 Bolla to be<br />
tafe or not.<br />
Mr. Clralrnar, tlrer€ a,re My other<br />
fertorE whlch are tnvolved. However,<br />
we have crlfirlnsl, but flot clvll per8ltles<br />
ln the sffit belt End btEke f,ulal lEwE. We<br />
rep€aled thero ln tfits trcc$r8€ wc bclleve<br />
ln clvll pnaltter whlch we feel a,re far<br />
mor€ efecuvc snd uruch er^Blcr to r,ppv.<br />
olEl_rr,l0_poft lL<br />
768 Voi,L I<br />
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