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ing to play with another dog. Sounds of apologies to
another dog owner]
Every interview I do these days is interspersed with
this. You stupid dog!! He’s a ‘Blue Monday’ dog. The
dog from the New Order video. I have no time for dogs
whatsoever, but my partner knew that many years ago
I worked with Bill Wegman on the ‘Blue Monday ‘88’
video and fell in love with Wegman and his Weimaraner
dog.
Last November my partner said two things: Number
one you should sign Raw-T, number two I’m buying
you a dog for Christmas. They are obviously the most
beautiful dogs in the world, but no one told me that
in the dog world they are famous for being the most
loopy, fucking stupid off-their-head nutcases, so I’ve
got this complete idiot dog now! He’s actually had the
snip but that would never calm him down, and has got
me in a lot of trouble with Peter Saville because his
girlfriend used to think she was a wolf when she was a
teenager, loves dogs and wolves, and I got into a lot of
trouble from Peter for having giving William the snip
and it’s made no fucking difference whatsoever.
Back to Hannett. All producers go mad because they
normally only find one sound in their life. In fact Martin
Hannett found two sounds, and he even came back
a third time when he was just having a laugh with the
Mondays, so I think he did pretty fucking well. If you
want to go through the history of Martin very simply.
BUY Tony Wilson books online from and
The early phase where he was learning about the studio
with Manchester Animation company, which he did
the soundtrack for. Then he pioneered punk with Spiral
Scratch and ‘Cranked Up Really High’ [Buzzcocks].
Then unbeknown to me until I found out years later, he
goes and meets these guys in a carpark on the moors
above Burnley and tells them the sound he’s imagining
in his head, off his head on fucking drugs and he drives
back to Manchester at midnight, they drive back to their
shed in Burnley and they build the world’s first digital
delay machine, the AMF digital delay which is the most
important outboard equipment of the last 50 years. And
it was 15 years later when some guy stopped me and
said, ‘I want to thank you, one of your partners changed
my life.’ When I realised it was AMF I went ‘No, you
changed his life by giving him that equipment.’ He
said, ‘Don’t you know where it came from?’ And I had
no idea it came out of Martin’s head. The first time he
ever worked with that digital delay machine was on the
song Digital. And that was on the Factory Sample, his
first day with Joy Division. And then of course he used
it on Unknown Pleasures and it changed the way drums
sound forever, he used it on ESG and everything else.
So the first thing is he changed the drum sound of the
world forever by the digital delay.
But then what he’s not given credit for, because
‘Blue Monday’ is given the credit for being the first
great modern music track which uses computers. In fact
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