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STONEWALL DAY @ HUDSON YARDS


BY EILEEN SHAPIRO<br />

CELEBRITY CORRESPONDENT<br />

Debbie Gibson<br />

“Electric Youth” 35th Anniversary @ Town Hall NYC<br />

The fiery icon, singer/<br />

songwriter, producer, actress<br />

and advocate Debbie Gibson<br />

will be rocking Town Hall in<br />

New York City on July 26, with<br />

special guests John Lloyd<br />

Young and Orfeh. Debbie<br />

will be celebrating the 35th<br />

anniversary of her Number<br />

1 album “Electric Youth.” A<br />

shining star never gets lost<br />

in the darkness, and like the<br />

luminous power and light of<br />

a supernova, Debbie produces<br />

as much energy in an instant<br />

as our sun will produce in 10<br />

billion years.<br />

Still holding the world record<br />

for being the youngest female<br />

to ever write, produce and<br />

perform a #1 hit song, “Foolish<br />

Beat” (According to Guinness<br />

World Records), Debbie is a<br />

trail-blazing pop star anomaly.<br />

With hits like “Only in My<br />

Dreams”, “Shake Your Love”,<br />

“Lost in Your Eyes” and a<br />

marathon of others, Debbie is a<br />

symbol of the heartbeat of the<br />

world and proof that she thinks<br />

beyond the obvious.<br />

DEBBIE GIBSON - PHOTO COURTESY OF THE ARTIST<br />

Her fans take refuge in the echoes of<br />

the familiar and in the eloquence of her<br />

enthusiasm.<br />

In an in-depth conversation, Debbie spoke<br />

about her upcoming New York appearance,<br />

the highlights and enchanting moments<br />

of her career, and the stuff that dreams are<br />

made of…


INTERVIEW >>><br />

HELLO, DEBBIE. HOW DOES IT FEEL<br />

TO HAVE THE ENTIRE MEET AND<br />

GREET FOR THE NY CONCERT SELL<br />

OUT IN LIKE THREE MINUTES?<br />

The meet and greet is sold out, but there<br />

are still tickets left….It’s getting there, but<br />

it’s always great to have a wonderful New<br />

York reception. The meet and greet sold<br />

out immediately, and obviously doing my<br />

hometown show is always a thrill.<br />

WHAT ARE YOU MOST EXCITED<br />

ABOUT IN DOING THIS TOUR?<br />

I’ve been doing these Electric Youth<br />

shows all year. I did some of them on the<br />

80’s cruise, I did one in Hawaii, some<br />

in Asia, and now I’m doing the East<br />

Coast run, and it’s so much fun to kind<br />

of marry the then and now because I do<br />

the original set list. A lot of the original<br />

costumes, a lot of the original singers,<br />

dancers, band members on stage….<br />

so, to kind of relive those moments in a<br />

way, but also to be who we are now in<br />

our modern lives in a modern world….<br />

To kind of connect all those dots, it’s<br />

amazing. Obviously, seeing the fans is<br />

always the best. Then again, I can feel<br />

the energy of a lot of people remembering<br />

being at one of the original Electric Youth<br />

shows. So, it’s a really special time. In<br />

the particular show in New York Orfeh<br />

[a Broadway performer] and John Lloyd<br />

Young [Tony winner] are going to join<br />

me. I had an amazing phone call with<br />

John Lloyd Young yesterday. He’s in<br />

Europe performing and we had a little<br />

brainstorming session and I was at my<br />

piano. We were coming up with a really<br />

cool arrangement for a surprise that we<br />

are going to do together that we’ve never<br />

done together. So that kind of thing is<br />

always amazing, especially since my<br />

roots are in Broadway. So two of my<br />

friends who are Broadway stars and close<br />

friends joining me is something for this<br />

one-off event. This is only for the New<br />

York show. So that’s super, super exciting.<br />

HOW COOL IS IT TO BE HONORED<br />

FOR YOUR ACTIVISM AND SUPPORT<br />

OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY? WHAT<br />

ORIGINALLY DREW YOU IN TOWARDS<br />

THE <strong>GAY</strong> COMMUNITY, WHERE YOU<br />

VERY QUICKLY BECAME A <strong>GAY</strong> ICON?<br />

That’s so sweet. It’s interesting because<br />

I’m working on writing my book now, so<br />

ultimately, I’m exploring a lot of themes<br />

in my life because I’ve asked myself<br />

that question all the time. I kind of know<br />

internally why, but it’s hard to articulate<br />

sometimes. In writing one of my early<br />

childhood chapters, I was talking about<br />

doing The Sound of Music. I wore my<br />

”Lonely Goatherd” costume to school one<br />

day. I looked like the Swiss Miss girl. I just<br />

felt like, well, why shouldn’t I be able to be<br />

my authentic, unique self? So if I see now<br />

that a boy wants to wear a dress to school,<br />

I think how fantastic is that? Somebody<br />

knows who they are and we should all<br />

celebrate everybody’s uniqueness in<br />

general. Coming from the theater world<br />

and then starting to do teen clubs, straight<br />

clubs, and gay clubs to launch “Only in<br />

My Dreams” starting in 1986, I really got<br />

to know the gay community through those<br />

shows. I always would say to my mom that<br />

I can’t wait to get to the gay club, which<br />

by the way, that show was always at like<br />

anywhere between two and five in the<br />

morning. I always felt like these are my<br />

people. There is always a joy. It always<br />

felt like the gay audience threw their<br />

arms around me, and there was also like<br />

a discernment. It was like the audience<br />

said, “We love you and we’re rooting for<br />

you, but we also have high standards”.<br />

I always loved that. I always felt like I<br />

wanted to be at my best. But I think it’s<br />

about an openness, and I think in a way<br />

coming from me being a young girl, and<br />

I was the only female I knew producing<br />

records, I wasn’t in everybody’s box. It was<br />

kind of like this is a freaky, techie little girl,<br />

who has a studio in her house. I always<br />

felt a little different and I think I had to<br />

forge my own path. I think I grew up with<br />

an openness and my mom always instilled<br />

in me …


I always hated the word accepting…..<br />

accepting makes it sound like we’re like<br />

accepting something bad… so no, we<br />

are celebrating…I am always celebrating<br />

who people are. I have people even in<br />

my own family who were raised by nuns.<br />

There is a lifelong belief imprinted in them<br />

that they are never going to break out of,<br />

‘cause they’re 90. I still like to have those<br />

conversations, even with those people.<br />

Everybody can always understand<br />

everybody’s unique experience. But I<br />

always say that I think it’s up to us as<br />

human beings to refer to the person<br />

whose experience it is and say, “Well,<br />

you know best about you. You know what<br />

you want in your life”, so I always support<br />

everything anyone wants in their life. It’s<br />

kind of weird to get a pat on the back for<br />

being an ally because I have this crazy<br />

idea that everyone should have the same<br />

rights. We all should function that way in<br />

the world. I am thrilled to be an ally and<br />

the loyalty that comes from the LGBTQ<br />

community, it’s lifelong. There are no<br />

fair weather friends. Any chance I get to<br />

stand up and raise my voice, I do…I got<br />

to create the movie “Notes of Autumn”<br />

for Hallmark last year. It was one of the<br />

first big LGBTQ themed movies. I was so<br />

proud. I remember the moment when they<br />

had done the ad, and it was two brides<br />

and there was a big uproar. Hallmark<br />

was known as more leaning towards the<br />

Christian side. I remember Jack Wagner<br />

spoke up, I spoke up, and a few other<br />

people spoke up. So to go from that<br />

moment to actually being able to create<br />

a movie with the storyline, which was a<br />

heterosexual storyline, and a homosexual<br />

storyline, that kind of paralleled each<br />

other. My favorite moment was at the<br />

end of the movie, when there was a split<br />

screen and the boys are kissing and the<br />

boy and the girl were kissing, it was the<br />

left side of the screen and the right side of<br />

the screen, and it was very Gone With the<br />

Wind, and it was very symbolic of some<br />

representation from Hallmark. And it was<br />

really thrilling to get that to the screen.<br />

PHOTO CREDIT: NICK SPANOS


DO YOU RECALL A MOMENT<br />

THAT CHANGED THE WHOLE<br />

TRAJECTORY OF YOUR LIFE?<br />

Oh, wow, that’s a great question.<br />

There is one I’m thinking of. When I<br />

was 11, I auditioned for Annie. They<br />

were dividing kids into groups. For<br />

example, we are keeping these<br />

hundred kids and we’re sending<br />

these thousand kids home. They<br />

were creating the groups for who<br />

they were keeping and who they<br />

were doing a callback with. They<br />

sent me packing. My mom said to<br />

me, “No, honey, they put you in the<br />

wrong group.” She told me I belong<br />

in that group over there and she<br />

pointed to the group of a couple<br />

of 100 kids that were staying. She<br />

said I belonged over there. And so,<br />

I decided to sneak into that group<br />

and see what happens. Now, out<br />

of that couple of hundred kids, I<br />

made it down to the last 10. So I did<br />

indeed belong in that group. That<br />

was the biggest message, that it’s<br />

up to you to know your own worth.<br />

It’s up to you to know where you<br />

stand in the world. It’s up to you to<br />

know what your skills are and also<br />

having the cojones to sneak into<br />

that group because the world is not<br />

going to take as good care of you as<br />

you will take of yourself. That was a<br />

really life altering moment for me. I<br />

learned a lot of lessons in that one.<br />

But then, I was too tall and I didn’t<br />

get the role<strong>–</strong>that was another story.<br />

I remember it vividly too. When we<br />

were getting my records out, my<br />

late mom and I always felt that if<br />

we could get people to hear the<br />

music, the audience is going to take<br />

it and embrace it. But it’s getting<br />

over those hurdles and getting past<br />

the gatekeepers, so that was a big<br />

lesson back then. Thirty seven years<br />

into a career, we get a lot of yeses,<br />

but we also get a lot of nos.<br />

HAVE YOU HAD YOUR ULTIMATE STAGE<br />

FANTASY?<br />

One of them was so early on, when I<br />

got to play and sing with Billy Joel at the<br />

Garden. That’s a good one and that one’s<br />

really hard to beat. I look at the women<br />

like Shania Twain. She’s headlining arenas<br />

and stadiums. A lot of women are having<br />

a second act in their late 50s, early 60s,<br />

and that’s really my goal in this chapter<br />

that I’m in. I want to bring the music to as<br />

many people as I can at the highest level<br />

I can, and that’s my stage fantasy beyond<br />

anything. “Electric Youth”, even though it<br />

was a song that at the time was empowering<br />

young people, really it’s an anti-ageism<br />

song. It’s so much fun to do it now because<br />

really, it’s saying you’re always useful,<br />

you’re always vital, you’re always relevant<br />

and you’re always empowered at any age.<br />

And that’s how the message has gone now,<br />

which is so much fun because again, there<br />

are people who are embarking on a second<br />

act. Where the people are still married for<br />

the first time in their 50s or divorced and<br />

they’re starting a new act in their life, they’re<br />

solo and they’re on their adventure… a<br />

lot of people, I think, in my generation are<br />

experiencing kind of a rebirth. It’s a great<br />

time for that. So the ageism thing was kind<br />

of a thing, especially for women in pop music<br />

not too long ago, but it’s really changed.<br />

HEY LOOK AT DOLLY, LOOK AT CHER.<br />

Look at Dolly, look at Cher…I saw Cher<br />

recently at Clive Davis’s party. She was so<br />

lovely. She did that little like surprise drop-in<br />

at the Abbey in West Hollywood. She stays<br />

connected and relevant and rooted in her<br />

LGBTQ audience. It’s all inspirational. I<br />

look at these women like Mariah Carey and<br />

Belinda, and they look and sound better<br />

than ever.<br />

I WAS JUST AT A CLIVE DAVIS EVENT<br />

RECENTLY TOO.<br />

Well, he’s a real music guy. It’s funny that<br />

you asked about stage fantasies. I sat with<br />

Clive to honor my friend Richard Weitz. We<br />

were at the Tennis Hall of Fame dinner at<br />

Cipriani’s and I performed and Clive was<br />

right there.


It was the first time in 35 years that I’ve<br />

ever performed for Clive. To see him at<br />

the table kind of bopping his head along.<br />

He’s always rooting for everybody….<br />

And I thought, “That’s one I can check<br />

off the list”. That was really cool. I don’t<br />

know how many people in the younger<br />

generation would appreciate that, but<br />

he’s one of the original music men. I have<br />

such a respect for him and for that whole<br />

time.<br />

WELL, EVERYONE THAT KNOWS<br />

YOU SAYS THAT YOU’RE ONE OF<br />

THE COOLEST PEOPLE IN THE<br />

ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS…YOU<br />

AND TONY ORLANDO.<br />

Awwwwww…..that is so nice. I can say<br />

that I always have a young and hungry<br />

mentality. Nothing’s ever wasted on me,<br />

I’m always grateful. Tony Orlando is one<br />

of my dear friends. He’s awesome.<br />

WHAT WAS IT LIKE FIRST HEARING<br />

YOUR SONG PLAYED ON THE<br />

RADIO?<br />

I was young, but what was so cool for me<br />

is that I was still in that fan of pop music<br />

phase. I was a teenage girl winning<br />

radio contests. I was winning tickets and<br />

albums by calling in to WPLJ and being<br />

the ninth caller. So, to segue from that<br />

to having that lifelong dream of hearing<br />

myself on the<br />

radio realized<br />

was incredible. I<br />

was driving with<br />

my dad in the car.<br />

We were heading<br />

back from the city<br />

to Long Island. I<br />

was coming from<br />

a voice lesson,<br />

and I could hear<br />

the opening<br />

beats. We knew<br />

it was going to be<br />

played at some<br />

point, but we<br />

didn’t know when.<br />

It was like, “Oh,<br />

my God”, it was pretty awesome.<br />

ANY NEW MUSIC COMING OUR WAY?<br />

Yeah…. I’m still kind of in the era of<br />

the two albums that I did, but yes, I’m<br />

writing new stuff. I released “The Body<br />

Remembers” and that was three years<br />

ago… and that was a double album.<br />

Then I released “Winterlicious” right<br />

away a year later, and that was a pretty<br />

aggressive time for me for releasing<br />

music. Which I love because I’m still kind<br />

of promoting those two records. But I’m<br />

constantly writing, constantly, constantly,<br />

so I can hardly keep up with my own<br />

thoughts, which is a happy problem.<br />

There are some new songs that I’m very,<br />

very excited about that are a little more in<br />

the singer/songwriter piano kind or realm.<br />

“The Body Remembers” was a little bit<br />

more of an aggressive pop-rock, dance<br />

vibe… and that’s really because it was<br />

born in the pandemic. The pandemic saw<br />

a lot of people trying to figure out how<br />

to get out of the angsty state they were<br />

in. Music for me. It was that music. But<br />

now, I’ve been spending a lot of time in<br />

Malibu at the beach, so music is a little<br />

more reflective, so I’m very excited about<br />

it. There are a lot of announcements<br />

coming up for the year about more live<br />

shows I’ll be doing and then next, you’ll<br />

probably see me recording.<br />

PHOTO CREDIT: PATRICK LASANAS


BY JIM SILVESTRI<br />

PHOTO CREDIT: WILSONMODELS<br />

Scream “OH! [MARY]”<br />

for Broadway Star & Nightlife Legend BIANCA LEIGH<br />

A star of New York nightlife, as well as the stage and screen since the<br />

‘90s, Bianca Leigh is currently wowing audiences nightly in the hilarious<br />

Broadway hit OH, MARY!


Jim Silvestri: Hello<br />

Bianca! Congrats on<br />

the success of OH,<br />

MARY!, the wonderfully<br />

twisted take on Mary<br />

Todd Lincoln, care of<br />

playwright and star Cole<br />

Escola and a great cast<br />

that includes you as the<br />

Chaperone! Does it feel<br />

very different being on<br />

that Lyceum Theatre<br />

stage on Broadway,<br />

as opposed to where<br />

it originated at the<br />

Lucille Lortel in the West<br />

Village?<br />

Bianca Leigh: Thank you!<br />

Yes, it is exciting. The first<br />

production at the Lortel<br />

was magical; the space is<br />

intimate and there’s not<br />

a bad seat in the house<br />

<strong>–</strong> perfect for this type of<br />

comedy. After a while,<br />

though, the move became<br />

necessary in order to<br />

accommodate the number<br />

of people who wanted<br />

tickets. A luxury problem,<br />

I know! I’m really psyched<br />

to do Mary at the Lyceum;<br />

it’s a gorgeous theater that<br />

specializes in smaller casts<br />

and does lots of cutting<br />

edge queer content. It’s<br />

perfect. And I saw my dear<br />

friends L Morgan Lee and<br />

Jason Veasey play there in<br />

A Strange Loop, so it has a<br />

special place in my heart.<br />

JS: OH, MARY! is so<br />

different than what most<br />

folks might experience<br />

on Broadway. What is<br />

it about the show that<br />

is engaging people so<br />

much, in your opinion?<br />

BL: It’s not so different. I<br />

mean, Mae West did a play<br />

called” Sex” on Broadway<br />

in 1927! There has<br />

always been cutting edge<br />

comedy for grown folks on<br />

Broadway. Theatergoers are<br />

a pretty savvy lot. They’re<br />

going to love it. Many<br />

people told me that “Oh,<br />

Mary!” made them laugh<br />

until their face hurt. I’d<br />

never heard that about a<br />

show before, and I heard<br />

it dozens of times at the<br />

Lortel. New York is READY<br />

for this show. Cole is at the<br />

top of their game and it’s<br />

a beautiful thing to watch.<br />

It’s a very strong ensemble,<br />

too, if I may say so myself.<br />

JS: Do you have a<br />

favorite moment in the<br />

show?<br />

BL: I love doing my first<br />

scene. Almost all of us<br />

are in it and it’s just good<br />

old fashioned comic<br />

pandemonium. But the<br />

play is more than just a<br />

farce. Cole has written a<br />

lot of seemingly random,<br />

delightful silliness, but<br />

when the heart of the play<br />

emerges, it will hit you over<br />

the head. Just gorgeous<br />

writing.<br />

JS: How did you come<br />

across this role? Were<br />

you friends with Cole?<br />

BL: I had never met Cole,<br />

but they are an absolute<br />

sweetheart and one of the<br />

best scene partners I have<br />

ever had. Sharing the stage<br />

with them is exhilarating.<br />

It was actually Cole who<br />

suggested me for the<br />

role; they’d seen me in<br />

Transamerica when they<br />

were 18. I was…just north<br />

of 29…<br />

JS: You are a woman of<br />

many roles and talents:<br />

actress, writer, singer,<br />

drag performer…Can you<br />

tell us a bit about where<br />

you’re from and how you<br />

began as a performer?<br />

BL: My first show was a<br />

production of Gypsy when<br />

I was five; our production<br />

should have been subtitled<br />

“A Ham is Born.” I did a ton<br />

of local and high school<br />

theater, earned a BFA at<br />

Rutgers and came to New<br />

York.<br />

Being Trans, mainstream<br />

commercial theater<br />

— as well as film and<br />

television — was pretty<br />

much inaccessible to me.<br />

Thank goodness I was<br />

able to find work in that<br />

small slice of theater that<br />

is funded and free from<br />

commercial pressure. I<br />

worked with wonderful<br />

auteurs like Taylor Mac and<br />

legendary companies like<br />

the Talking Band. I also did<br />

some amazing productions<br />

with Absolute Theatre and<br />

Theatre Askew. I made<br />

a nice chunk of change<br />

singing in nightclubs.<br />

I loved it, but I missed<br />

acting… so when more<br />

opportunities opened up<br />

for Trans actors, I was very<br />

happy.


PHOTO CREDIT: WILSONMODELS<br />

JS: How did you come to<br />

find yourself as a part of<br />

New York nightlife…and<br />

what was the scene like in<br />

those early days?<br />

BL: You mean the<br />

Pleistocene? When I hit<br />

the clubs, drag queens had<br />

already begun shifting away<br />

from celebrity impersonation<br />

and were creating their own<br />

personas. I saw Lady Bunny<br />

and Linda Simpson at the<br />

Pyramid and I was blown<br />

away. They were tearing each<br />

other to shreds, but it was<br />

hilarious. I couldn’t get over a<br />

drag queen wearing a simple<br />

brunette wig and naming<br />

herself Linda Simpson,<br />

instead of something showbiz<br />

like Lana Lagoon. I thought<br />

it was absolute genius. Not<br />

enough credit goes to the 90s<br />

drag queens. The creativity<br />

was jaw-dropping.<br />

JS: What was your drag like<br />

then?<br />

BL: We didn’t really consider<br />

what I was doing “drag” at<br />

the time, per se. I was just<br />

a Trans showgirl on the<br />

bill. Jeannie Sol is<br />

a woman who has<br />

performed for years<br />

with drag queens,<br />

and it works! Jeannie<br />

and I couldn’t schlepp<br />

it, though; we had<br />

to paint up and wear<br />

sequined everything<br />

or we’d disappear next<br />

to the girls. It took<br />

me a while to learn. I<br />

was Plain Jane in the<br />

beginning: CoverGirl<br />

pastel eye shadow<br />

— not even a lash.<br />

Jesse Volt took me<br />

aside and said, “Black<br />

eyeshadow — Carbon<br />

by M.A.C. — go buy<br />

some immediately.<br />

And get some lashes!” I didn’t<br />

even know they made black<br />

eyeshadow.<br />

My favorite gig in those<br />

days was Bar d’O. I was a<br />

guest<strong>–</strong>but a frequent one,<br />

like Carol Lawrence on The<br />

Carol Burnett Show. I had my<br />

own show at Stonewall for a<br />

few years and sang in Cherry<br />

Grove for over a decade.<br />

JS: As a Trans<br />

woman, did you<br />

feel that there was<br />

a big difference<br />

between yourself<br />

and the cisidentifying<br />

drag<br />

queens in the<br />

earlier days of your<br />

nightlife career?<br />

There is much more<br />

of an emphasis<br />

on the difference<br />

between Trans and<br />

cis drag performers<br />

these days, I think.<br />

BL: I personally think<br />

of us as one big sissy<br />

sisterhood… but<br />

that’s just how I see<br />

it. There are some<br />

differences, of course, but so<br />

what? We all throw on a lash<br />

and shake a tail feather. Back<br />

in the day, I was not part of<br />

the downtown scene…I hate<br />

that I missed the genius and<br />

camaraderie of Boy Bar, etc.<br />

As a femme queen, I did<br />

shows in midtown and<br />

above, for the most part.<br />

Lips, hips, and fingertips.<br />

Things changed a lot when<br />

downtown stars like Codie<br />

and Candis Transitioned.<br />

That’s around the time I<br />

started singing in downtown<br />

venues.<br />

JS: I know Peppermint is<br />

your girl! How long have<br />

you known her?<br />

BL: I have known Pep for<br />

many years — I won’t specify<br />

a number. Peppermint’s<br />

another amazing human: a<br />

fierce talent and a beautiful<br />

personality. I learned a<br />

lot about positivity from<br />

Peppermint. She’s also up for<br />

a good goss and a giggle. My<br />

kind of gal.


She’s also up for a good goss<br />

and a giggle. My kind of gal.<br />

JS: Are you a fan of<br />

RuPaul’s Drag Race and<br />

how that show portrays<br />

drag today?<br />

BL: Yes! I Love to watch RPDR<br />

with my friend Pickles and<br />

some of our nearest and<br />

dearest. Drag may not be<br />

a contact sport, but it is a<br />

spectator sport. I could watch<br />

Ru all day: “I’m sorry my<br />

dear, BUT…”<br />

JS: You were cast<br />

in Duncan Tucker’s<br />

groundbreaking film<br />

Transamerica back in<br />

2005; that was one of<br />

the first modern Trans<br />

stories in cinema. Felicity<br />

Huffman was Oscar<br />

nominated for playing the<br />

main character, a Trans<br />

woman. In a key sequence,<br />

your character led a<br />

group of people played<br />

by real Trans actors who<br />

welcomed her and her<br />

son (the super cute Kevin<br />

Zegers) into their group’s<br />

party. Did you realize<br />

immediately what an<br />

important film this was?<br />

BL: Transamerica was a<br />

huge opportunity for me. I<br />

loved working with Duncan,<br />

Felicity, Kevin, and all the<br />

gals in the party scene.<br />

Felicity was very generous,<br />

and between takes showed<br />

me how to work better with<br />

the camera. She said that<br />

Kelsey Grammer had helped<br />

her when she was on Frasier,<br />

so she was passing it on. She<br />

also insisted that we do two<br />

setups for a particular scene.<br />

“No. There are two people in<br />

this scene. We have to see<br />

Bianca’s face, not<br />

just the back of<br />

her head.” Prior to<br />

Transamerica, I was<br />

usually treated like<br />

some kind of exotic<br />

animal act on set.<br />

JS: In this<br />

current, more<br />

representational<br />

era of<br />

filmmaking, do<br />

you think only<br />

Trans actors<br />

should be playing<br />

Trans roles?<br />

BL: I said this back<br />

in 2015, and I’ll<br />

repeat it: Until<br />

Trans actors are cast<br />

in non-Trans roles<br />

on a regular basis,<br />

the lion’s share of Trans roles<br />

should go to Trans actors.<br />

We need the work! There are<br />

always exceptions, though,<br />

such as Vanessa Redgrave<br />

in Second Serve. And most<br />

Trans actors want to play all<br />

kinds of roles, so I never say<br />

never. Since 2015, the pool<br />

of Trans talent has gotten<br />

much wider and deeper. I<br />

think many producers would<br />

be happy to be involved with<br />

a project starring one of the<br />

many successful Trans actors<br />

of today. I started to list them<br />

all, but the list got very long,<br />

which is a good sign!<br />

JS: Another (arguably)<br />

just-as-important, Oscarworthy<br />

film you’ve been a<br />

part of: Hurricane Bianca,<br />

starring that other Bianca<br />

[del Rio], lol! This is a<br />

comedy classic! You were<br />

so great in it as Karma,<br />

Other Bianca’s wise drag<br />

mother of sorts. I bet all<br />

the baby gays recognize<br />

you from that!<br />

BL: Sometimes I am<br />

recognized as Karma. Usually<br />

it’s, “Wait, don’t I know<br />

you… from somewhere…?”<br />

Karma was a labor of love.<br />

She brought a bit of gravitas<br />

to the fun, which is always a<br />

good thing. Matt Kugelman<br />

knew what he was doing<br />

with that script, and he’s a<br />

fabulous director. I had a ball<br />

doing scenes with Bianca; I<br />

absolutely adore her.<br />

She’s the hardest working<br />

gal in show business. During<br />

filming, Bianca was in and<br />

out of wigs and makeup<br />

constantly (during summer<br />

in Texas), but she always<br />

knew her lines, and hit<br />

her mark. Other than that,<br />

she was a real bitch, lol!<br />

Something people may not<br />

know: Bianca del Rio is also<br />

one of the most generous<br />

gals in show business. She’s<br />

truly an angel under all<br />

that…that… exterior!


I was in holding all day with<br />

Shangela, Alyssa Edwards,<br />

Joslyn Fox, and Willam.<br />

That was a Gay old time!<br />

While we waited, Alyssa kept<br />

saying, “Ask me a pageant<br />

question! Ask me a pageant<br />

question!” Someone would<br />

throw one at her, and<br />

she’d slowly approach an<br />

imaginary microphone and<br />

answer the question with<br />

deadly seriousness. It always<br />

involved world peace. We<br />

howled!<br />

JS: You also created<br />

and starred in an<br />

autobiographical show<br />

at the Laurie Beechman<br />

Theatre called Busted<br />

about a decade ago. How<br />

cathartic was it to write and<br />

perform in that show…<br />

and might we see a revival<br />

or even a sequel someday?<br />

BL: I’m dusting off the<br />

Busted script as we speak!<br />

I took a couple of writing<br />

classes with the fabulous<br />

comic and actress Kate Rigg,<br />

and I’m using everything<br />

I learned (good writing is<br />

good cutting) and creating<br />

a leaner, meaner<br />

script. The experience<br />

of writing BUSTED<br />

was empowering and<br />

freeing, as well as<br />

cathartic. I love writing<br />

my own material.<br />

JS: We are in strange<br />

times, as queer folks<br />

continue to break<br />

ground in various<br />

roles and become<br />

more visible and<br />

accepted throughout<br />

society… but<br />

pushback is on the<br />

rise, as we see with<br />

a growing number of<br />

hate crimes and proposed<br />

anti-queer legislation. Do<br />

you feel either optimistic<br />

or pessimistic about how<br />

things are going for our<br />

community?<br />

BL: Both! I am horrified at<br />

the huge wave of anti-LGBT<br />

legislation<strong>–</strong>these people<br />

don’t just want us back in the<br />

closet, they want us under a<br />

rock<strong>–</strong>but I truly believe most<br />

it of it will be struck down by<br />

the courts.<br />

JS: Are there any grand<br />

dames of comedy or music<br />

or fashion, etc. that you’ve<br />

idolized?<br />

BL: Oh, absolutely. I watched<br />

I Love Lucy religiously as a<br />

kid and I saw every Carole<br />

Lombard movie on the<br />

late show. I’m also a huge<br />

fan of Barbara Stanwyck,<br />

who could do drama and<br />

screwball equally well.<br />

Fashion? Pat Cleveland and<br />

Marisa Berenson. I saw Ms.<br />

Berenson coming out of the<br />

elevator in Bergdorf’s once,<br />

and I almost fainted. Regal.<br />

Music? Oh, all the divas, but<br />

Patti LaBelle holds a very<br />

special place in my heart.<br />

JS: When you’re not super<br />

busy, do you still like to<br />

bar hop in the city at all?<br />

And, is nightlife in NYC still<br />

fun?<br />

BL: That is a tough question.<br />

I’m not much of a club girl<br />

these days; I’ve spent so<br />

many years performing in<br />

bars and nightclubs; it’s kind<br />

of a busman’s holiday for<br />

me. I’m more of a restaurant<br />

gal these days. If I had a<br />

lot of dough, I’d open up a<br />

gay pub: no televisions, no<br />

pumping bassline… just a<br />

place to let down your hair,<br />

have a pint, and kiki with<br />

your good Judys. The closest<br />

I have found to that is Julius:<br />

a convivial atmosphere and<br />

the best cheeseburgers and<br />

fries in New York.<br />

JS: What else is coming up<br />

for you this summer and<br />

beyond?<br />

BL: Well, it will be all about<br />

“Mary!“ for a while, and<br />

I couldn’t be happier. I<br />

recently auditioned for a<br />

cable pilot, and did a reading<br />

of a new musical based<br />

upon one of my favorite<br />

books as a kid. I’m also<br />

going to do my cabaret show,<br />

“Transvestigation”, again<br />

once we’ve been up and<br />

running for a while.<br />

JS: Finally…What’s your<br />

go-to song to perform<br />

when you’re on stage<br />

these days?<br />

BL: “Blues in the Night” is<br />

always a winner, as well as<br />

“Sister” from A Color Purple,<br />

which I sang many times<br />

over the years with Raven<br />

and Sade at Bar d’O.


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