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WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />

TOPIC OF THE DAY No.1 JANUARY 16, 2018 5<br />

VALENTYN BADRAK<br />

By Ivan KAPSAMUN, The Day<br />

Having decided to provide<br />

arms to Ukraine, the US is<br />

worried about the possibility<br />

of US military technology<br />

falling into Russian soldiers’<br />

hands. This is stated in the article<br />

“U.S., Ukraine Try to Ensure Weapons<br />

Don’t Fall to Enemy,” which<br />

appeared in The Wall Street Journal.<br />

The publication notes that for that<br />

reason, the Javelin anti-tank missiles<br />

(ATMs) are supposed to be kept at the<br />

Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF)’s<br />

depots in permanent bases located far<br />

back from the frontlines. Also, American<br />

soldiers, who are now training<br />

Ukrainian servicemen at the Yavoriv<br />

Combat Training Center, could soon<br />

move to training centers in Central<br />

Ukraine as well, to regularly check<br />

and count these arms. So, how<br />

substantiated are the fears of Americans?<br />

Are there reasons for this? We<br />

discussed it with Valentyn Badrak,<br />

who serves as director of the Center<br />

for Army Research, Conversion and<br />

Disarmament.<br />

● “THE U.S. GOVERNMENT<br />

DOES NOT ACCEPT THE<br />

PUTINIST KREMLIN’S<br />

ATTEMPTS TO IMPOSE<br />

A REVISION OF<br />

THE SECURITY SYSTEM”<br />

“Yes, the reasons do exist. For the<br />

US, Ukraine remains a country that<br />

did not seize a historic opportunity,<br />

although it had every reason to become<br />

a political and economic regional<br />

leader after the collapse of the USSR.<br />

We did not seize it ‘because of the human<br />

factor.’ Leonid Kuchma’s multivector<br />

approach turned out to be a<br />

case of spinelessness that transformed<br />

into unstable foreign policy of his<br />

pupils and made the situation into a<br />

confirmation of Samuel Huntington’s<br />

conception of civilizational fault<br />

lines. As you know, Huntington drew<br />

one of them between Western and<br />

Eastern Ukraine. Therefore, the US<br />

leadership, by and large, does not<br />

trust our government and is not convinced<br />

that Ukraine has become an asset<br />

to it. Not in the sense of ‘distrusting<br />

Petro Poroshenko,’ but in the<br />

sense of being uncertain whether a<br />

significant disappointment among<br />

Ukrainians in the current government<br />

might not lead to a pro-Russian politician’s<br />

taking lead. Of course, with<br />

support from Russia, whose political<br />

representation in Ukraine remains<br />

strong.<br />

“The US is well aware of the position<br />

of the Ukrainian authorities<br />

and develops its own position accordingly.<br />

President Poroshenko<br />

opted for a strategy of palliative action<br />

in the struggle against the enemy,<br />

and the US is also implementing<br />

a half-hearted action strategy. The<br />

US, and maybe Canada, are the only<br />

Western nations who are really interested<br />

in making Ukraine into a<br />

strong buffer between the West and<br />

Russia. All other NATO countries,<br />

except Poland and the Baltic States,<br />

will do nothing for the real strengthening<br />

of Ukraine.<br />

Not just Javelins<br />

Valentyn BADRAK: “It is important for Ukraine to build on the<br />

American anti-tank missiles deliveries and become an ally of the US”<br />

“Therefore, deliveries of Javelin<br />

ATMs are a symbolic step. They offer<br />

psychological support to Ukraine and<br />

serve as a signal for Russia that the<br />

US government does not accept the<br />

Putinist Kremlin’s attempts to impose<br />

a revision of the security system.<br />

More so given that these weapon systems<br />

cannot strategically influence<br />

the course of the war, it is just that<br />

the word ‘Javelin’ has become a<br />

mantra that everyone repeats and<br />

everyone listens to. It is important for<br />

Ukraine to build on this situation and<br />

become an ally of the US, similar to,<br />

say, Israel or Poland.”<br />

● “THE U.S. IS WELL-<br />

INFORMED ABOUT<br />

NUANCES OF UKRAINE’S<br />

PERSONNEL POLICY<br />

IN THE FIELD OF SECURITY<br />

AND DEFENSE”<br />

Also, WSJ writes that American<br />

weapons falling into enemy hands “is<br />

not a theoretical problem.” It notes<br />

that, after the US delivered shortrange<br />

counter-battery radars to<br />

Ukrainian military in 2014, some<br />

components at least of one of these<br />

radars were captured by combined<br />

Russian and separatist forces during<br />

fierce fighting near Debaltseve. What<br />

do you know about this?<br />

“This is more a ‘technical’ issue,<br />

which depends on many factors. But it<br />

is also a legitimate question. Since the<br />

Ilovaisk debacle, the Ukrainian army has<br />

become stronger by an order of magnitude,<br />

and this is true. But it happened because<br />

our people ceased to be pacifists<br />

and learned to respond quickly to bombardments<br />

and sudden offensive actions<br />

of the enemy. At the same time, the<br />

US government is well-informed about<br />

the nuances of Ukraine’s personnel<br />

policy in the field of security and defense.<br />

Speaking of the UAF, experienced<br />

and talented fighters have been<br />

given brigade-level commands, and in individual<br />

cases combat arm-level commands.<br />

Under conditions where the<br />

automated command and control system<br />

has not been fully created, to say the<br />

least, and Russia has already completed<br />

its cycle of preparations for a largescale<br />

war, no one is immune from<br />

Vladimir Putin embarking on another<br />

military adventure after the presidential<br />

election. Of course, if he succeeds in<br />

maintaining control of the situation.<br />

Were Putin not in the Kremlin, but in<br />

Bankova Street, he would have ceased to<br />

be the head of state a long time ago, but<br />

unfortunately, Russians have an Asianlevel<br />

store of patience. So, we see that a<br />

‘technical’ scenario is possible as well.<br />

Meanwhile, the US government would<br />

justly regard Javelin systems falling into<br />

the hands of Russian terrorists as a defeat<br />

in its symbolic clash with the Krem-<br />

lin in a ‘disputed’ area. However, the US<br />

government needs to supply such<br />

weapons to Ukraine as much as Ukraine<br />

needs to obtain them. Financial expenditures<br />

are small, but they may have an<br />

oversized effect if they strengthen the<br />

anti-Russian sentiments of Ukrainian society,<br />

improve the morale of the military<br />

and eventually turn Ukraine into a powerful<br />

and well-protected player in the<br />

Western camp. In addition, the likely<br />

technological loss on the US’ part in the<br />

event of the FGM-148 Javelin falling into<br />

the hands of Russian troops in the<br />

Donbas is significantly exaggerated, as<br />

this is a late 1980s design, although a<br />

powerful one. US troops have been receiving<br />

these anti-tank systems since the<br />

late 1990s.”<br />

● “TALENTED DESIGNER<br />

OLEH KOROSTELIOV HAS<br />

CREATED A SCHOOL<br />

OF PRECISION WEAPONS<br />

DESIGN RIGHT BEFORE<br />

OUR EYES”<br />

It is known that this year, the<br />

Ukrainian army introduced the Korsar<br />

light man-portable missile system,<br />

which, according to experts, is little<br />

inferior to the American Javelin. I<br />

would like to hear your comparative<br />

assessment of these missiles. If the experts<br />

are right, were the Ukrainian<br />

military-political leadership’s steady<br />

requests for the American side to provide<br />

the aforementioned anti-tank<br />

weapons really justified?<br />

“Despite the fact that many consider<br />

Javelin ATMs to be more technologically<br />

advanced and even say that the<br />

Javelin and the Korsar ATM belong to<br />

different generations, I do not think so.<br />

Technologically, the Korsar is a highprecision<br />

weapon capable of killing any<br />

tank or self-propelled gun with one shot<br />

at a distance of 2.5 km (although it is really<br />

difficult to find such a long line of<br />

sight, and in most real combat cases, it<br />

is sufficient to hit the target from a distance<br />

of one and a half kilometers). By<br />

the way, the Javelin has the same range –<br />

up to 2.5 km. It should be understood<br />

that the key point of the modern battle<br />

REUTERS photo<br />

is the training of soldiers and the willingness<br />

of the government to saturate<br />

the combat zone with domestic ATMs,<br />

which are also not that cheap. In fact, the<br />

media should have started promoting<br />

and broadcasting cases of hostile weapon<br />

platforms being hit by these missiles long<br />

ago. The fact that Javelin systems are capable<br />

of hitting vehicles from the upper<br />

hemisphere is a clear technological advantage.<br />

For guiding and firing missiles,<br />

the Javelin uses an infrared fire-andforget<br />

homing system, while the Korsar<br />

uses semi-automatic laser beam guidance<br />

(that is, after the shot, the operator<br />

needs to keep the target in the crosshairs<br />

for 8 to 12 seconds). One of the technological<br />

advantages of the Javelin ATM<br />

is the availability of a ‘soft’ launch,<br />

which allows a shot to be made even from<br />

closed and confined premises. As an obvious<br />

disadvantage, experts list the fact<br />

that the missile’s homing system needs<br />

to be pre-cooled for not less than 25 to<br />

30 seconds. In addition, experts insist<br />

that the effective use of Javelin systems<br />

is possible only for personnel who have<br />

been through a training course for ATM<br />

operators. But in general, both ATM<br />

types can be seen as comparable, and<br />

looking at the price, the domestic design<br />

costs just a fraction of its counterpart.<br />

The cost of one American ATM can be as<br />

high as 50,000 dollars, and the export<br />

price of one launcher with missile complement<br />

can be as high as 170,000 dollars,<br />

while other sources cite ‘more than<br />

200,000 dollars,’ while the price of a<br />

complete Korsar is estimated at about<br />

130,000 dollars, and a missile costs just<br />

20,000 dollars. In addition, it is important<br />

to take into account a number<br />

of factors, of which the most important<br />

is domestic arms self-sufficiency. When<br />

we buy the Korsar, which was introduced<br />

in August 2017, we invest in the<br />

development of domestic precision<br />

weapons. In fact, talented designer<br />

Oleh Korosteliov has created this school<br />

of design before our eyes; he is the<br />

general designer and general director of<br />

the Luch State Design Bureau in Kyiv.<br />

The support for this school is directly<br />

related to the creation of a cruise missile,<br />

a new powerful multiple rocket<br />

launcher and even a domestic midrange<br />

surface-to-air missile system. It<br />

should be added that the Korsar ATM<br />

can be used as part of combat modules,<br />

that is to say, it can be installed on all<br />

types of armored vehicles operated by<br />

the UAF. So, the importance of the present<br />

moment is in combining American<br />

assistance, technology, support with<br />

Ukrainian consistency in the development<br />

of weapons. Therefore, in fact, the<br />

Javelin and the Korsar systems ideologically<br />

and technologically complement<br />

each other in the UAF.<br />

“I would like to raise another point<br />

to create a full panorama of shortrange<br />

precision weapons being developed<br />

in Ukraine. Besides the Korsar,<br />

Ukraine has other guided ATMs – the<br />

Skif and the Stuhna-P (they have essentially<br />

the same characteristics, but<br />

the Skif uses the PN-S control system<br />

which is produced by the Belarusian<br />

Peleng JSC). So, this ATM is capable<br />

of ‘killing’ enemy targets from a distance<br />

of five kilometers, and remote<br />

control is available as well. By the<br />

way, Skifs are used by a number of<br />

states (thanks to Ukraine’s strong exports),<br />

and in 2017, the Luch Design<br />

Bureau continued to supply Stuhna-<br />

P missile systems, delivering about<br />

300 RK-2 missiles ahead of schedule<br />

‘with the number of launchers specified<br />

by the customer,’ as noted in the<br />

media. Both the Korsar and the Skif<br />

can be used to defeat low-heat targets<br />

as well, that is, pillboxes and other engineering<br />

structures, while the<br />

Javelin cannot do it.”<br />

● “RUSSIA HAS NO ATMS<br />

OF THE JAVELIN’S<br />

TECHNOLOGICAL LEVEL,<br />

THEIR VERSIONS OF THE<br />

KORNET SYSTEM ARE<br />

EQUAL TO OUR SKIF”<br />

Speaking of the American<br />

Javelin or the Ukrainian Korsar, can<br />

Russia counteract them in any way?<br />

What weapons do they have now with<br />

regard to light man-portable missile<br />

systems?<br />

“Russia has no ATMs of the<br />

Javelin’s technological level, their<br />

versions of the Kornet system are<br />

equal to our Skif. The Kornet missile<br />

is also a laser beam rider and is more<br />

versatile, but it still belongs to the<br />

generation 2+, while the Javelin is a<br />

third-generation system. But I want<br />

to emphasize once again: in the current<br />

war, everything depends on the<br />

training of firing teams, the mobility,<br />

the ability of the state to provide<br />

troops with comprehensive logistics,<br />

rather than an individual element.”<br />

After it became known that the<br />

US would deliver lethal weapons to<br />

Ukraine, after all, the Kremlin offered<br />

predictably sharp criticism,<br />

threatening bloodshed in the Donbas.<br />

In your opinion, what can Russia do,<br />

after all, as we remember the Kremlin’s<br />

earlier statements on this issue?<br />

“All sides have long been accustomed<br />

to the Kremlin treating<br />

Ukraine as a battlefield in its rivalry<br />

with the West and a testing laboratory<br />

for its military machine. We know<br />

the limits of Putin’s actions. He has<br />

long crossed multiple ‘red lines’ and<br />

been working to destroy the independent<br />

state of Ukraine. Therefore,<br />

the only way left open for us is to be<br />

unafraid and get stronger, to be prepared<br />

as much as possible to repel the<br />

enemy. For any other approach<br />

amounts to surrender.”

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