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Third dialogue<br />
DICSONO. Then, he seems to me to have openly confessed his ignorance;<br />
therefore, I would be of the opinion that it is better to embrace those<br />
philosophical principles which, in this important question, do not plead<br />
ignorance, such as those of Pythagoras, Empedocles and your Nolan,<br />
whose opinions we touched on yesterday.<br />
TEOFILO. This is what the Nolan holds: there is an intellect that gives<br />
being to everything, which the Pythagoreans and the Timaeus call the ‘giver<br />
of forms’; a soul and a formal principle which becomes and informs<br />
everything, that they call ‘fountain of forms’; there is matter, out of which<br />
everything is produced and formed, and which is called by everyone the<br />
‘receptacle of forms’.<br />
DICSONO. This doctrine, from which it seems nothing is lacking,<br />
pleases me much. And, indeed, it is necessary that, just as we can posit a<br />
constant and eternal material principle, we similarly posit a formal principle.<br />
We see that all natural forms cease in matter, then appear again in matter;<br />
therefore, nothing, if not matter, seems in reality to be constant, firm,<br />
eternal and worthy to be considered as principle. Besides, forms do not<br />
exist without matter, in which they are generated and corrupted, and out<br />
of whose bosom they spring and into which they are taken back. Hence,<br />
matter, which always remains fecund and the same, must have the fundamental<br />
prerogative of being recognized as the only substantial principle; as<br />
that which is, and forever remains, and all the forms together are to be taken<br />
merely as varied dispositions of matter, which come and go, cease and<br />
renew themselves, so that none have value as principle. This is why we find<br />
philosophers who, having pondered thoroughly the essence of natural<br />
forms, such as one may see in Aristotle and his kind, have finally concluded<br />
that they are only accidents and particularities of matter, so that, according<br />
to them, it is to matter that we must accord the privilege of being act<br />
and perfection, and not to the things of which we can truly say that they<br />
are neither substance nor nature, but relative to the substance and nature<br />
– that is to say, in their opinion, matter, which for them is a necessary, eternal<br />
and divine principle, as it is to Avicebron, the Moor, who calls it ‘God<br />
who is in everything’.<br />
TEOFILO. Those who have not recognized any other form outside of<br />
accidental form have been led to this error, and this Moor, although he had<br />
accepted the substantial form from the Peripatetic doctrine in which he was<br />
nurtured, judged it corruptible and not merely susceptible to material<br />
mutations. Since he despised that which is produced and does not produce,<br />
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