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Third dialogue<br />
have scandalized certain theologians because they have placed matter too<br />
highly. This has occurred either because these works were lacking in<br />
expression, or because the theologians, having been bred on Aristotle’s<br />
opinions to consider matter solely in the sense of the substratum of natural<br />
things, have not understood them well. They do not see that, according to<br />
others, matter is understood as being common to the intelligible and sensible<br />
worlds (to use their terms, which give an equivocal meaning to matter<br />
based on an analogy). This is why opinions should be examined with<br />
great care before being condemned, and why it is necessary to distinguish<br />
terms as much as thoughts, for even if thinkers sometimes agree on a<br />
generic idea of matter, they go on to differ in their specific concepts. As for<br />
our argument, it is impossible that any theologian should be found (if we<br />
suppress the term ‘matter’, and however captious and malevolent his way<br />
of thinking) who would accuse me of impiety for what I say and think of<br />
the coincidence between potency and act, taking both terms in an absolute<br />
sense. Whence I would like to infer (in the measure allowed) that, in the<br />
simulacrum of that act and that potency, insofar as it is in specific act all<br />
that it can be in specific potency, the universe being all that it can be (let it<br />
be as it will in terms of the particular act and potency), there is a potency<br />
that is not separated from the act, a soul which is not separated from that<br />
which is animated – I mean, the simple, not the composite, so that the<br />
universe has a first principle taken as a unity, and no longer considered doubled<br />
into material principle and formal principle. This principle may be<br />
inferred by comparison with the aforesaid, which is absolute potency and<br />
act, so that it is neither difficult nor harmful to admit definitively that as<br />
a substance, the whole is one, as Parmenides, treated ignobly by Aristotle,<br />
perhaps conceived it.<br />
DICSONO. You, therefore, hold that although, in descending along the<br />
ladder of nature, there are two substances, one spiritual and one material,<br />
both are eventually reduced to one being and one root.<br />
TEOFILO. Yes, if you think that it can be tolerated by those who do not<br />
penetrate into the matter.<br />
DICSONO. Very easily, provided that you do not raise yourself beyond<br />
the limits of nature.<br />
TEOFILO. This has already been done. Since our conception or definition<br />
of the divinity differs from the common one, we have our personal<br />
definition, which is yet not so contrary or unfavorable to the other, and<br />
perhaps clearer and more explicit from the point of view of reason, which<br />
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