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RZ: You have a way with writing that may appear, to the naïve mind, to be dizzyingly simplistic, yet, in fact, it is superbly full and brilliantly philosophical. I’m always struck by how your lines or sections end; you simply know when to stop writing and let the image or word resonate with the reader; always at the exact right moment, with the exact right word, not a moment too soon or too late. As simple as, “In the morning they all went to the small cages they call their offices. Some of them made telephone calls.” What is your secret? EA: We are in a period of cut and dry poetry, of minimalism; it has become natural to avoid developement in our writings. It’s both new and very ancient. Look at the Greek pre-Socratics, their thinking is expressed as geometric equations, and it makes it very poetic. RZ: Is there a difference between poetry and philosophy? EA: Is there a difference between poetry and philosophy? Yes and no. There used to be a difference in western philosophy. Western philosophy was involved in the search of some truth, of some system explaining reality. From the English philosophers on, the possibility of reaching absolute statements, statements about the absolute, was dimming. But it’s Nietzsche [who] demonstrated, or discovered himself that philosophical works are constructions, personal constructions that cannot pretend to be any definitive view of reality. That neared philosophy to thinking, brought it closer to intuition, to sudden “revelation.” Heidegger followed that line and ended up asserting that the greatest form of philosophy is to be found in the great poets such as, for Germans, in Hölderlin and Rilke. I find that the great Islamic Sufis are theologians/ philosophers/poets, the greatest poets of that world. RZ: Is one born a political poet? Or is all poetry political? (Or should it be?) EA: Poetry doesn’t need to be political in its subject matter. It’s not the subject matter that’s important, it’s the way you treat it. Of course if you manage to convey the importance of something that gets you, your passion for it, how existential is for example the political/historical situation of your country, or of a country that matters to you, then that text could be poetic. You speak of a rose, or of the situation of Palestine, you can write something that will be a poem. How? It’s up to you, and to the reader... But in a way, everything is political, in the sense that everything says something about you that goes beyond the subject matter, and also that whatever we do affects the world, in minute ways generally, invisible ways, but it becomes part of the becoming of everything that is. In that sense, washing your hands is also a cosmic event. RZ: Is there room for poetry and art in a region bursting with absolute turmoil; where fundamentalism, religious figures and politicians have taken over home and street? EA: More than ever, our Arab world in particular, needs poetry and the arts, needs every form of the affirmation of life. The forces of death are very active, due to the abysmal mediocrity of our politicians, and also due to outside interferences. So all we have to counterbalance that evil is to be alive, and to sustain life. Poetry, art, is what will remain of these dark period ... I am always comforted by the existence of the great deal of creativity in our countries; they are suffering, but they’re going ahead, they’re surviving, and much more... we will not go under. RZ: You mentioned once in an interview that, “It’s possible that in the past, unconsciously, people paid less attention to women’s work. Things are changing; there are more and more women curators, and more women gallery owners. It doesn’t mean that they will automatically pay more attention to women’s work, but it’s changing. We can’t complain.” Are things changing fast enough, though, for women writers and artists? EA: Our region is changing in good directions in spite of all our defeats and destructions. There is a civil society that’s 41
emerging from the ashes of our patriarchal societies. It’s a good sign, even if that society is regularly repressed. RZ: What advice would you give emerging writers and/or artists? EA: Giving advice is usually a pompous affair. If I have to give one, it is “don’t be afraid, go ahead, pay the price it [will] entail, and you will certainly feel free, and probably creative too.” RZ: “Not seeing rivers is also another way of dying.” Do you remember where you were or what was happening around you when you wrote this magnificent line? EA: Rivers, oh rivers... I don’t know where and when I wrote the line you quote, but it is utterly true... without the sea, the ocean, or a river in my vicinity I am a dying plant. RZ: What are you working on right now? EA: Working on what these days? I am painting, mostly. For a whole year, I’ve had a poem already written, NIGHT, following SEASONS and SEA & FOG and I don’t know why I keep it waiting... must reread it carefully and let it go... RZ: How important are literary magazines, if at all? EA: Literary magazines are dwindling, for money reasons... and indifference for literature - young people prefer dance, music, where physical goes, but [literary journals] are indispensable... they keep the pulse of the thinking of a society... it takes courage nowadays to run a magazine or a publishing house for poetry and literature in general. 42
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- Page 3 and 4: 58 Nada Faris Janus/Portunus 64 Ann
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- Page 7 and 8: Thinking of lost cities mixed media
- Page 9 and 10: HIDDEN STORIES On the upper slopes
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- Page 31 and 32: To Market, to Market Omdurman, Suda
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- Page 35 and 36: Montagne I Aquarellé, 2015 by ETEL
- Page 37 and 38: Psychoacoustics no. 1 by Mark tardi
- Page 39 and 40: Falafel Chickpeas herbs and spices
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RZ: You have a way with writ<strong>in</strong>g that may appear, to <strong>the</strong> naïve m<strong>in</strong>d, to be dizzy<strong>in</strong>gly simplistic, yet, <strong>in</strong> fact, it is<br />
superbly full <strong>and</strong> brilliantly philosophical. I’m always struck by how your l<strong>in</strong>es or sections end; you simply know<br />
when to stop writ<strong>in</strong>g <strong>and</strong> let <strong>the</strong> image or word resonate with <strong>the</strong> reader; always at <strong>the</strong> exact right moment, with<br />
<strong>the</strong> exact right word, not a moment too soon or too late. As simple as, “In <strong>the</strong> morn<strong>in</strong>g <strong>the</strong>y all went to <strong>the</strong> small<br />
cages <strong>the</strong>y call <strong>the</strong>ir offices. Some of <strong>the</strong>m made telephone calls.” What is your secret?<br />
EA: We are <strong>in</strong> a period of cut <strong>and</strong> dry poetry, of m<strong>in</strong>imalism; it has become natural to avoid developement <strong>in</strong> our writ<strong>in</strong>gs.<br />
It’s both new <strong>and</strong> very ancient. Look at <strong>the</strong> Greek pre-Socratics, <strong>the</strong>ir th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g is expressed as geometric equations, <strong>and</strong><br />
it makes it very poetic.<br />
RZ: Is <strong>the</strong>re a difference between poetry <strong>and</strong> philosophy?<br />
EA: Is <strong>the</strong>re a difference between poetry <strong>and</strong> philosophy? Yes <strong>and</strong> no. There used to be a difference <strong>in</strong> western philosophy.<br />
Western philosophy was <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> search of some truth, of some system expla<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g reality. From <strong>the</strong> English<br />
philosophers on, <strong>the</strong> possibility of reach<strong>in</strong>g absolute statements, statements about <strong>the</strong> absolute, was dimm<strong>in</strong>g. But it’s<br />
Nietzsche [who] demonstrated, or discovered himself that philosophical works are constructions, personal constructions<br />
that cannot pretend to be any def<strong>in</strong>itive view of reality. That neared philosophy to th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g, brought it closer to <strong>in</strong>tuition,<br />
to sudden “revelation.” Heidegger followed that l<strong>in</strong>e <strong>and</strong> ended up assert<strong>in</strong>g that <strong>the</strong> greatest form of philosophy is to be<br />
found <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> great poets such as, for Germans, <strong>in</strong> Hölderl<strong>in</strong> <strong>and</strong> Rilke. I f<strong>in</strong>d that <strong>the</strong> great Islamic Sufis are <strong>the</strong>ologians/<br />
philosophers/poets, <strong>the</strong> greatest poets of that world.<br />
RZ: Is one born a political poet? Or is all poetry political? (Or should it be?)<br />
EA: Poetry doesn’t need to be political <strong>in</strong> its subject matter. It’s not <strong>the</strong> subject matter that’s important, it’s <strong>the</strong> way you<br />
treat it. Of course if you manage to convey <strong>the</strong> importance of someth<strong>in</strong>g that gets you, your passion for it, how existential<br />
is for example <strong>the</strong> political/historical situation of your country, or of a country that matters to you, <strong>the</strong>n that text could<br />
be poetic. You speak of a rose, or of <strong>the</strong> situation of Palest<strong>in</strong>e, you can write someth<strong>in</strong>g that will be a poem. How? It’s up<br />
to you, <strong>and</strong> to <strong>the</strong> reader... But <strong>in</strong> a way, everyth<strong>in</strong>g is political, <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> sense that everyth<strong>in</strong>g says someth<strong>in</strong>g about you<br />
that goes beyond <strong>the</strong> subject matter, <strong>and</strong> also that whatever we do affects <strong>the</strong> world, <strong>in</strong> m<strong>in</strong>ute ways generally, <strong>in</strong>visible<br />
ways, but it becomes part of <strong>the</strong> becom<strong>in</strong>g of everyth<strong>in</strong>g that is. In that sense, wash<strong>in</strong>g your h<strong>and</strong>s is also a cosmic<br />
event.<br />
RZ: Is <strong>the</strong>re room for poetry <strong>and</strong> art <strong>in</strong> a region burst<strong>in</strong>g with absolute turmoil; where fundamentalism, religious<br />
figures <strong>and</strong> politicians have taken over home <strong>and</strong> street?<br />
EA: More than ever, our Arab world <strong>in</strong> particular, needs poetry <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong> arts, needs every form of <strong>the</strong> affirmation of life. The<br />
forces of death are very active, due to <strong>the</strong> abysmal mediocrity of our politicians, <strong>and</strong> also due to outside <strong>in</strong>terferences.<br />
So all we have to counterbalance that evil is to be alive, <strong>and</strong> to susta<strong>in</strong> life. Poetry, art, is what will rema<strong>in</strong> of <strong>the</strong>se dark<br />
period ... I am always comforted by <strong>the</strong> existence of <strong>the</strong> great deal of creativity <strong>in</strong> our countries; <strong>the</strong>y are suffer<strong>in</strong>g, but<br />
<strong>the</strong>y’re go<strong>in</strong>g ahead, <strong>the</strong>y’re surviv<strong>in</strong>g, <strong>and</strong> much more... we will not go under.<br />
RZ: You mentioned once <strong>in</strong> an <strong>in</strong>terview that, “It’s possible that <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> past, unconsciously, people paid less<br />
attention to women’s work. Th<strong>in</strong>gs are chang<strong>in</strong>g; <strong>the</strong>re are more <strong>and</strong> more women curators, <strong>and</strong> more women<br />
gallery owners. It doesn’t mean that <strong>the</strong>y will automatically pay more attention to women’s work, but it’s chang<strong>in</strong>g.<br />
We can’t compla<strong>in</strong>.” Are th<strong>in</strong>gs chang<strong>in</strong>g fast enough, though, for women writers <strong>and</strong> artists?<br />
EA: Our region is chang<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> good directions <strong>in</strong> spite of all our defeats <strong>and</strong> destructions. There is a civil society that’s<br />
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