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16 May 2009 Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill 3699<br />
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Yes. Your assumption is correct. That is<br />
the process that we would go through.<br />
A party vote was called for on the question, That the schedule be agreed to.<br />
Ayes 64<br />
<strong>New</strong> <strong>Zealand</strong> National 58; ACT <strong>New</strong> <strong>Zealand</strong> 5; United Future 1.<br />
Noes 43<br />
<strong>New</strong> <strong>Zealand</strong> Labour 32; Green Party 7; Māori Party 4.<br />
Schedule agreed to.<br />
MOANA MACKEY (Labour): I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. We<br />
actually voted 32 opposed, but the interpreter said 42 opposed. I just want to correct<br />
that.<br />
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): The new result for Labour is 32 opposed.<br />
Members the Ayes are 64, the Noes are 43. The motion is agreed to.<br />
Hon JOHN CARTER (Associate Minister of Local Government): I raise a point<br />
of order, Mr Chairperson. I just wonder whether you can help on a point of procedure. I<br />
assume, now, that we have done the schedules. There are two points that I want to ask<br />
about. We have a postponed amendment to insert a part—I think it is Part 5,<br />
“Mechanisms to ensure representation of Maori, Pacific and Ethnic groups in the<br />
reorganisation of the Auckland Council”, in the name of Shane Jones. I understand that<br />
when that was postponed there was a motion from Darren Hughes before the Committee<br />
that was to be considered. From memory, I think it was a closure motion. I wonder<br />
whether that situation still stands or is that the next thing we go to. That is the first thing<br />
that I want to understand.<br />
The second thing that I wonder about is a matter of procedure. After the part that has<br />
been postponed is considered by the Committee and a decision is taken, we move to the<br />
preliminaries, as I think they are called. While we are still considering the postponed<br />
Part 5, is there an opportunity for anyone in the Committee to put another part to be<br />
considered, because we have not yet got to the preliminaries? I wonder whether that is a<br />
possibility.<br />
Hon RODNEY HIDE (Leader—ACT): Just further to that, I am a little confused<br />
myself, because Standing Order 293(1)(c) is not often used. If we go down to 293(4) we<br />
see that “Unless otherwise specified, consideration or further consideration of—(a) any<br />
postponed clause or part is taken when all other clauses or parts have been dealt with,<br />
other than preliminary clauses that are considered together,”. What I am not clear about,<br />
after all the amendments that have been tabled here today, is what your ruling is in<br />
respect of just what the preliminary clauses are. It would be helpful to the House if you<br />
could detail the preliminary clauses that are still there.<br />
Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South): I think I can advise on the last<br />
question first. I think clauses 1 and 2 are the preliminary clauses. But on the substantive<br />
matter that was raised by John Carter, which is what the position is with regard to<br />
further parts, when Mr Barker was in the Chair and he was contemplating accepting<br />
closure, he had not accepted the closure, and it is my understanding that further parts<br />
can be submitted until the time that closure is accepted.<br />
The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): My understanding is that the first point<br />
about the preliminary clauses is correct. Clauses 1 and 2 are the preliminary clauses of<br />
the bill. On the second point, no, the closure motion for Part 5 was postponed. We have<br />
before us a closure motion that was put forward by the Hon Darren Hughes. It is still<br />
appropriate.