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3674 Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill 16 May 2009 accept that this <strong>Parliament</strong> has a process that everybody, including the general public, has an opportunity to take part in, then she is just as guilty of a dictatorial attitude as the Minister in the chair, Rodney Hide, and as the Leader of the House, and as many of those members sitting on that side of the Chamber. The junior Government whip is waving the paper in the air. He knows I am right. There is a process issue at hand here. The people of Auckland have the right to have a say in what the Government has in mind for their future. CHRIS TREMAIN (Junior Whip—National): I move, That the question be now put. HONE HARAWIRA (Māori Party—Te Tai Tokerau): Tēnā koe e te Heamana. Tēnā koe, Mr Jones, e ngaro haere ana. Tēnā tātou katoa, tēnā koe Mita. Greetings to you, Mr Chairman, to my whanaunga, Mr Jones, and to Mita Ririnui, who has just spoken. Tēnā tātou, ’hakoa tangi ana taku ngākau, pau te kaha te rongohia i ngā kōrero kua puta mai i te māngai o taku whakanaunga, a Shane Jones, me te tautoko anō hoki a Mita Ririnui—although my heart grieves greatly to hear the words spoken by Shane Jones and supported by Mita Ririnui here today. Hon Trevor Mallard: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairman. Sincere apologies to the member, but I think there is a risk of this member being treated inequitably. He is providing his own translation and, therefore, he is not getting the benefit of the clock being stopped while that translation is occurring. If that were to continue, it would result in his speech being half the length of any other member’s speech. The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): The member is entitled to have the clock stopped when he speaks in Māori—that is, if he provides his own translation. Hon Trevor Mallard: He has been. The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): I understand. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I ask the member to continue. HONE HARAWIRA: He pātai, he pātai. I have a question, Mr Chairman: me tīmatangia anō ahau? May I start again? The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): No. The member has spoken for well over 1 minute, and we have stopped the clock. So I ask the member to continue. Hon Trevor Mallard: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. The point I was making is that about half of that time was for translation, and the clock was not stopped for that. The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Thank you. I said that at the time, and we will take that into account. HONE HARAWIRA: Tēnā koe. Tangi ana taku ngākau i te mea, kua rongo ahau i te kōrero me te whakaaro o Shane Jones, e ōrite ana te tū o te Māori ki tērā a wētahi atu. Tangi ana taku ngākau ki tērā. I was very grieved to hear Shane Jones put forward the view that Māori are just like anybody else. Tangi ana taku ngākau i te mea, ehara mātou i te tangata e ōrite ana ki tētahi atu. I am grieved to hear Shane Jones say that, because we are not the same as everybody else. He tangata whenua mātou te iwi Māori. We are the people of this land. E rongo ana au i ngā kōrero mō Te Moana-nui-a-Kiwa, e rongo ana au i ngā kōrero mō wērā kei roto o Haina, me wērā atu o ngā rohe. I hear the call for representation from the Pacific peoples and from Asian people. Engari, kei hea te kōrero mō ngā Tararā, kei hea te kōrero mō Kenya, kei hea te kōrero mō Somalia, kei hea te kōrero mō ētahi atu? He whai pōti anake tēnei kaupapa. Kāre au i te whai rangatiratanga. Koi rā taku riri. Tēnā koe.
16 May 2009 Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill 3675 Sitting suspended from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. Hon David Parker: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I apologise to Hone Harawira, who has the call. I have deliberately raised my point of order at this point, rather than interrupt him when he resumes his speech. We are considering new parts to this bill, and I express a concern that the time being allowed for the consideration of these parts is obviously a lot less than the time allocated for earlier parts that were put forward by the Government. I make the point that it is the Opposition’s right to put forward new parts, and to have them properly debated. It is, of course, proper of the Chair to cut off debate when no new points are being raised and where there is undue repetition. That, of course, Mr Chair, is within your rights, but I suggest that in respect of some of the closure motions that were moved earlier in the morning, we are verging on having debate cut off before all points have been exhaustively covered by speakers. I know there is a tension here between the Government getting its business through and the Opposition delaying it, but I suggest that it is the right of Opposition members to act as we are acting. That Opposition members are able to exercise their rights to the limits of the Standing Orders, particularly in urgency, is an important check against the powers of the Government, and I ask you, Mr Chairperson, to consider that in your rulings this afternoon. Hon Gerry Brownlee: Mr Chairperson, an interesting point of order has been put to you by the Hon David Parker, but it directly challenges your authority in the Chair. I simply remind the Committee that it was the Hon David Parker who this morning told anybody who was here to listen, or anybody listening in, that the Labour Party was in fact engaging in a filibuster on this bill. I would have thought that that was a clear indication to everybody that most of the matters being dealt with at the moment are not serious. They are simply vexatious and frivolous, and they are being put forward by Labour to try to prolong the debate today. The other thing is that if we were engaged in an actual debate on this bill, that debate might be interesting, but the vast majority of time spent on this bill has been spent on dealing, through the vote process, with the extensive range of frivolous amendments put forward by Labour. Some 8,000 amendments, I think, have now been dealt with in one way or another. The real point, though, is that National thinks that continued challenges to the Chair are completely unacceptable, and should not continue to be a feature of this debate. Hon David Cunliffe: Mr Chairperson, I think it is important at this junction that the Committee consider very carefully, under your guidance, the way forward. In the first place, I submit to you that the point of order raised by my colleague David Parker in no way trifled with your rulings. It sought a clarification from you, and it asked, at your discretion, that you take into account the various factors as we go forward. I echo the strongly expressed sentiments of my colleague David Parker in this respect. The second point is that the Leader of the House has, in his submission, failed to distinguish between amendments and parts. The submission of David Parker specifically related to parts, not clause amendments, and asked that parts be fully debated. As is well known to you, Mr Chairperson, and to the Leader of the House, amendments to clauses— Hon Gerry Brownlee: The member should read the Standing Orders. Hon David Cunliffe: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. The CHAIRPERSON (Hon Rick Barker): I know what the point of order will be. I ask the Leader of the House to let the member make his point of order. If I feel he is getting off the point, I will stop his point of order.
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