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3670 Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill 16 May 2009 had first said? If the interpreter did not report you accurately, I am giving you the opportunity to correct the record. We are not getting into a debate on what you said; all I want to know is whether it was interpreted accurately. This is your opportunity to correct the interpretation, if it was incorrect—not a debate, just a correction if that was the case. Hon SHANE JONES: I have nothing further to add in relation to that issue. The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Thank you. Hon SHANE JONES: Let us move on to my very clever innovation as to how the people of Pasifika will actually be included. Arā, noa atu te aroha ki ō tātou huānga mai i Te Moana-nui-a- Kiwa. I tae mai ki konei hei horoi i te paru a ētahi kē atu. I hara mai hei tātā wahie, i hara mai hei waha wai engari i te mutunga he tangata, he iwi rangatira. Ko te mea tika kia kite ai tō rātou kanohi i roto i tēnei kaunihera hou kei puta te kōrero, kāhore wā rātou pānga, horekau ō rātou kanohi e tika ana kia kitea ai i roto i ngā tūranga teitei. Ahakoa te kitea o te kanohi Hāmoa i tērā taha, poto noa ake te wā mōna ki reira. E kore oti i a ia te kake i ngā hōiho e rua i roto i te hāora kotahi. Nā reira, he utu kei te hara mai mōna engari, hāunga anō tēnā take. Te wāhanga tuatoru, ko ngā tāngata i tae tata mai, mai i te whenua o Āhia. Ērā tāngata i hara mai i te rawakoretanga, ētahi i arumia e ētahi kē atu, ētahi i ahu mai ki konei kia tatū ai te noho o wā rātou tamariki ki Aotearoa. Nā reira e tika ana ō rātou kanohi me ō ngā motu, me ō te tangata whenua kia kitea ngātahitia. Kaua e waiho ko ngā hoa o te Minita anakenake hei whakatutua, hei whakarite mō te noho a te iwi mai i ngā moutere, mai Āhia, mai i ngā marae o te motu he rite ki te pononga noa iho nei. Kāhore he mana. Nā reira koia tā mātou e tautoko i tēnei wāhanga. Tēnei wāhanga rangatira kia kore ai te iwi Māori e ’hakatahangia. [An interpretation in English was given to the House.] [There is much sympathy for our relations from the Great Sea of Kiwa, the Pacific Ocean. They came here to clean up the mess left by others, to be woodchoppers, bearers of water, but in the end they are humans and a dignified people. To have their faces seen on this new council is the proper thing to do. It would allay any talk that they have no interests and they should not be seen in these positions of high standing. Although the face of Samoa can be seen on the other side, the member’s presence there is limited. He will not last on both horses for a single hour. So there is a cost ahead for him, but that is another matter. The third part relates to recent arrivals from Asia. Some came from poverty, some followed other Asians over here, and some immigrated here so that their children could settle here in <strong>New</strong> <strong>Zealand</strong>. So it is right that their faces are represented alongside those of Pasifika and the people of the land. Decisions on how people from Asia, Pasifika, and from the marae of the land should live should not be left solely to the Minister and his cronies. That makes the people subservient and without dignity. So that is what we are supporting here in this part, this noble part that ensures Māoridom is not marginalised.] Hon MITA RIRINUI (Labour): I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. Ā, kai te Heamana, ki tāku nei mōhio mēnā ka huri te tangata ki te kōrero i te reo Māori i roto i te Whare nei, ka katia te wāti tae noa atu ki te mutunga o tana kōrero. Otirā, ka huri atu ki te reo o tauiwi, ka tīmata anō. [An interpretation in English was given to the House.]
16 May 2009 Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill 3671 [Mr Chairman, my understanding is that when one speaks in Māori in this House, the clock is stopped until the end of that address in Māori. It is turned on again once one starts speaking in English.] The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): That is a very good point, and I thank the member for bringing it to my attention. The interpretation is in addition to what the member is saying, so the time allocation is not reduced. In the case of the previous speaker, Shane Jones, the clock was turned off while we had the interpretation. Hon SHANE JONES (Labour): I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. Thank you for those words of assistance. The point remains, however, that during the course of the debate on this particular part there will be a great deal of bilingual debate. We need reassurance. When we lapse from one language to the other, the timekeeping will be essential. This debate is the only chance that that portion of Auckland’s population will ever hear their language being spoken in defence of their rights. The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): Thank you for that point. In terms of the timekeeping, there are two of us here who keep the time. In fact, in relation to the member who spoke before—I know that the Hon Trevor Mallard is keeping his eye on the clock—I gave the member about 10 seconds extra, because we had not turned off the clock as quickly as we might have. Hon DAVID PARKER (Labour): I rise to support proposed new Part 5 of the Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill. In doing so I put in context why we think it is important that this specificity is laid down now: to ensure that in future we achieve Māori representation. I think it reflects no honour at all upon the National Party that, after 3 days of debate on a bill that is being considered in urgency and that is not going to select committee, not one of the amendments that have been put by the Labour Party, by the Green Party, or by others other than the Government have been supported by the Government. So after 3 days of debate, the bill is as it was proposed by the National Party. People would think on that basis that we have an infallible Government. This Government is so confident of its own abilities that it thinks it does not have to listen—not only will it not listen to the will of the people through the select committee process, but it cannot even listen to Opposition submissions in order to find kernels of good ideas that it can bring itself to agree with. People considering whether that is a realistic assessment of how this Government deals with personnel, and of the appropriateness of appointments that it causes to be made to bodies, need only reflect on mistakes that have been made by the Government in the last week in terms of the appointment of Christine Rankin to the Families Commission. It is the Government’s right to appoint her, but it shows that if people have the ability to make appointments, or to control who the representatives of the people on important bodies like councils— The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): I am sorry to interrupt the member. I say to those members who are obstructing my view that I would like to be able to see the speaker when he is speaking. Hon DAVID PARKER: The appointment of Christine Rankin to the Families Commission shows that it is very important to have checks and balances on those who control the appointments, in order to make sure that we have fair representation, and that we do not have inappropriate appointments or a lack of representation. The example of Christine Rankin shows that this Government, above all others, is not infallible when it comes to the matter of representation and who it appoints to bodies. Representation is what lies behind proposed new Part 5. This part inserts mechanisms to make sure that the discretion of those involved in the future as to who should be elected to councils and what groups ought to have some representation is
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