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3640 Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill 16 May 2009<br />

got it to debate in the House, and the relevant part of it was pushed through last night in<br />

urgency. We are using the one democratic tool that we have got to try to make this bill<br />

better, and the response from the Government benches has been that we are wasting the<br />

Committee’s time.<br />

I tell the members of the Government that people have been phoning us all night. My<br />

daughter phoned and asked: “What is this bill that is going through the House?”, and I<br />

said: “We are in urgency to fight about the bill to establish the Auckland Council.” She<br />

said: “What is the bill all about?”, and I said: “Tough! You will not have a chance to<br />

debate this bill. You will not have a chance at all.” Calls came through all night long<br />

from people in Auckland, and we are receiving calls this morning. They are taking it<br />

seriously. They are anxious and they are worried. They are hugely concerned about their<br />

rights. They are hugely concerned about the unintended consequences of this bill.<br />

This is when a Government gets things wrong: when it rams things through the<br />

House and does not involve community voices. That has happened, and that is why we<br />

are here, and I am pleased that we are here. We are going to fight this fight. It is<br />

absolutely critical to consider our code of practice for workers, their rights, and their<br />

conditions. It is not just about structural changes to the transition agency. The<br />

Government sees it as simplistically as that—that it is just about structural amendments.<br />

Hon RODNEY HIDE (Minister of Local Government): I am sorry that we have to<br />

take time to debate part of the Local Government (Auckland Reorganisation) Bill that<br />

was actually passed last night, but the Opposition members who are introducing new<br />

parts are sowing confusion. I think it is because they are genuinely confused. Let me be<br />

very, very clear. Paid parental leave is a statutory entitlement. Nothing in this bill<br />

changes that, and I would have thought that members opposite understood that.<br />

Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Labour—<strong>New</strong> Lynn): Opposition members are in the<br />

Chamber together because we are the last line of defence, and up until now this debate<br />

has been about the rights of Aucklanders—<br />

Hon Members: Ha, Ha!<br />

Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE: They may laugh. What exactly is it about democracy that<br />

they oppose? What is it about democracy that “Gerry-mander” opposes? We are not<br />

here this morning, debating new Part 10, to talk about the democratic rights of all<br />

Aucklanders. [Interruption] The importance of Part 10—<br />

The CHAIRPERSON (Lindsay Tisch): I am sorry to interrupt the member. Those<br />

exchanges across the Chamber between members are not acceptable. The member is on<br />

his feet and speaking in a debate. Interjections are fine if they are fair and reasonable,<br />

but interchanges between members are out of order. I invite the member to continue.<br />

Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE: <strong>New</strong> Part 10, unusually compared with the other parts of<br />

the bill, is not about the democratic rights of all Aucklanders; it is about the<br />

employment rights of those some 6,000 Aucklanders who are employees of the<br />

organisation. Her Majesty’s loyal Opposition asks Government members to specify<br />

exactly which of the provisions they object to, because I understand, from their barrage,<br />

that they are likely to be voting against this new part. They should tell us why they<br />

object. Is it because they disagree with the proposition that there should be an obligation<br />

on the part of the Auckland Transition Agency and the Auckland Council to be a good<br />

employer? Is it because of the good and safe working conditions in this part? Do they<br />

object to an equal employment opportunities programme? If they do, why not put out a<br />

press release in support of that view? Is it the impartial selection of suitably qualified<br />

persons?<br />

Perhaps that is it, especially when we look at clause 104, “Appointments on merit”,<br />

because that goes to the heart of our concerns about the bill. It is particularly concerning<br />

when one puts it together with the governance structure that is over this entity, because,

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