Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ... Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

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64bank robbery or an assault. You do not have the heroin addict comingforward and complaining. He is trying to find where he can getsome more heroin.I do feel the total effort which has been made in the last 2 yearshas stemmed the tide. You can feel it when you are talking to someof the college students and others. That doesn't mean we are still notin a crisis situation.Chairman Pepper. You mean, sir; we are not in a crisis situationwith respect to heroin use in this country ?Mr. RossiDEs. I said that we are. We have done an enormous amount,in my judgment, in the combined Federal and State establishment inthe last 2 years, and we have arrested a downward slide, in my ownpersonal judgment. I get this from many different people—from enforcementpeople, from students, and others.But that doesn't mean we are not still in a crisis. We are; obviouslywe are. But it took 10 years to get to this stage and the trip back maytake a long time.Chairman Pepper. What we are trying to do is supplement thesplendid effort you law enforcement people are making by seeing ifwouldn't be possible to stop the growing of opium. But you haveitto stop the legitimate demand. In order to do that you have to haveeffective substitutes,Mr. RossiDES. From the enforcement point of view, this is essential.Chairman Pepper. That is why I feel, and I hope this belief isshared by the committee, that more money spent in research to findthese synthetic substitutes, and more money spent in trying to findantagonistic drugs so that the pusher's market would be diminished,would help law enforcement in the country.Mr. RossiDES. No question whatsoever, Mr. Chairman.I used to stress that out of the dollar I would want most of it goingfor education. I have changed in the last year to now add the needfor research. I do want to point out the President has substantiallyincreased funds for research and education. But that doesn't mean moremay not be needed. That is up to the Congress and the executive towork out.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Blommer ?Mr. Blommer. No ouestions, Mr. Chairman.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Mann ?Mr. Mann. Recognizing that the abolition of legal growing of theopium poppy would necessarily be pursuant to an international agreement,almost worldwide, what good would it do for the United States,through the Congress, to take unilateral action to abolish the importationof opium ? What good would it then do you in trying to negotiatean international agreement with other countries?Mr. RossiDES. I would say, without commenting fully on the premise—becauseit can be done unilaterally by each countryMr. Mann. Yes.Mr. RossiDES. (continuing). The will of the Congress spoken afterhearings, after testimony, after review and analysis—that this is thejudgement of the Congress of the United States, would have, in myjudgment, a very salutary effect throughout the world, throughout thenations that are members of the TTnited Nations, and it would be aplus.

:65Mr. Manist. But without other sanctions we have merely cut off ourtrading point as far as the control of the market is concerned if yousay, "Well, we don't need your poppy any more." Why should thiscause them to stop growing it ?Mr. RossiDES. When you say sanctions, you are talking about negotiationand added factors are involved ; this is another step in the negotiationprocess. I think, for the first time, the United Nations hasbeen galvanized to do something following the President's speech lastOctober, and our own contribution of $1 million out of a $2 millionpledge. I think other nations are coming forward. A conference onthe revisions of the 1961 Single Convention on the Control of Drugsis planned, hopefully, for early next year with proposals for constructiveamendments bemg considered.Now, all of this is helpful. I happen to feel that the publicity valueof public opinion, hearings, and of statements and of positions arehelpful. It is no panacea, but it is a step and it is a helpful step.Mr. Mann. Thank youNo further questions.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Wiggins ?Mr. Wiggins. Yes, sir ; I would like to continue with the questionsstarted by my colleague, Mr. Mann.The United States constitutes a major portion of the world demandfor the lawful manufacture of morphine, and accordingly, if we wereto stop our importation of it, it would have more than publicity impacton those supplying countries ; wouldn't it ?Mr. RossiDES. Yes, Mr. Wiggins ; I should have added that. It certainlywould. The countries that are selling to us would not have themarket. So that they would then be possibly more inclined to look forother crops.Mr. Wiggins. We have observed in Turkey, for example, the eliminationof provinces where the growing of poppy was permitted lawfully.I think we are down to about six or seven now, as against a highof more than 20 not too long ago.Can you comment on the enforcement within the nation of Turkeyas to the illicit growing of poppy in those provinces where it has beendiscontinued ?Mr. RossiDES. Yes. Our reports are that it has been quite successfulin the provinces where it has been discontinued. It was up to 21 provincesand is now down to seven. Reports that we receive are that inthose provinces in which growth has been lawfully discontinued, enforcementhas been quite successful.The. main growing areas are still in the seven provinces. But at leastthe enforcement effort has been successful in the provinces.I might conimend the Turkish Government for these efforts, andthey are devoting more manpower to this problem, and I might quotethe new Turkish Government's public comment recently made by thePrime Minister, Mr. ErimOur Government believes that opium smuggling, which has become a terribledisaster for the youth of the vporld, is hurting above all our humanistic sentiments: therefore due importance will be attached to this problem. Opium producerswill be provided with a better way to make a living.That is a step forward. Everybody, including the United States,has to do more, as this committee is pointing out.

64bank robbery or an assault. You do not have the heroin addict comingforward <strong>and</strong> complaining. He is trying to find where he can getsome more heroin.I do feel the total effort which has been made in the last 2 yearshas stemmed the tide. You can feel it when you are talking to someof the college students <strong>and</strong> others. That doesn't mean we are still notin a crisis situation.Chairman Pepper. You mean, sir; we are not in a crisis situationwith respect to heroin use in this country ?Mr. RossiDEs. I said that we are. We have done an enormous amount,in my judgment, in the combined Federal <strong>and</strong> State establishment inthe last 2 years, <strong>and</strong> we have arrested a downward slide, in my ownpersonal judgment. I get this from many different people—from enforcementpeople, from students, <strong>and</strong> others.But that doesn't mean we are not still in a crisis. We are; obviouslywe are. But it took 10 years to get to this stage <strong>and</strong> the trip back maytake a long time.Chairman Pepper. What we are trying to do is supplement thesplendid effort you law enforcement people are making by seeing ifwouldn't be possible to stop the growing of opium. But you haveitto stop the legitimate dem<strong>and</strong>. In order to do that you have to haveeffective substitutes,Mr. RossiDES. From the enforcement point of view, this is essential.Chairman Pepper. That is why I feel, <strong>and</strong> I hope this belief isshared by the committee, that more money spent in <strong>research</strong> to findthese synthetic substitutes, <strong>and</strong> more money spent in trying to findantagonistic drugs so that the pusher's market would be diminished,would help law enforcement in the country.Mr. RossiDES. No question whatsoever, Mr. Chairman.I used to stress that out of the dollar I would want most of it goingfor education. I have changed in the last year to now add the needfor <strong>research</strong>. I do want to point out the President has substantiallyincreased funds for <strong>research</strong> <strong>and</strong> education. But that doesn't mean moremay not be needed. That is up to the Congress <strong>and</strong> the executive towork out.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Blommer ?Mr. Blommer. No ouestions, Mr. Chairman.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Mann ?Mr. Mann. Recognizing that the abolition of legal growing of theopium poppy would necessarily be pursuant to an international agreement,almost worldwide, what good would it do for the United States,through the Congress, to take unilateral action to abolish the importationof opium ? What good would it then do you in trying to negotiatean international agreement with other countries?Mr. RossiDES. I would say, without commenting fully on the premise—becauseit can be done unilaterally by each countryMr. Mann. Yes.Mr. RossiDES. (continuing). The will of the Congress spoken afterhearings, after testimony, after review <strong>and</strong> analysis—that this is thejudgement of the Congress of the United States, would have, in myjudgment, a very salutary effect throughout the world, throughout thenations that are members of the TTnited Nations, <strong>and</strong> it would be aplus.

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