Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

622Governor Carter. I certainly recognize that part of the problemoriginates in civilian life with draftees and otherwise. Of course, I dowant to say that what we would like to have is a workmg relationshipwith the military to share their doctors, their facilities. I am stronglyaware, though, that the Department of Defense is not contemplatingat the present time any responsibility for a discharged veteran whois an addict. The only exception to this would be very intangibleremarks about potential Veteran's Administration services.I think that this is a mistake. The}^ should give us the names, theyshould participate in every aggressive way possible and not seek excusesfor not participating.I am not sure at what level within the Department of Defense GeneralTabor and Mr. Hobson are. This meeting with me was arrangedby the Secretary of Defense. I asked the gentlemen assembled in theroom if any of them had ever had any experience in the treatment ofaddicts or the supervision of a treatment program for addicts andthey said no, but they understood that some of the people in the AirForce had had ex]:)erience in this field.I would hope that the military would take a more ]:)ragmatic andaggressive approach and incorporate some people within their j^rogramwho had experience in tlie treatment of addicts. I was extremelydisappointed in their attitude this morning.Mr. Winn. I share your concern about their attitude and I thinkthey are relatively new in this field.Governor Carter. They are.negligible as far as past his-Mr. Winn. Their experience level istories are concerned. They are, I am sure, looking forward to a workingrelationship with the Veterans' Administration and tlie VA hospitals.I am sure all of us will do all we can to share this concernwith you.Governor Shapp. Mr. Winn, just one comment on this.It is rather difficult for me to comprehend how the militan' cansay that they are getting a good share of their addicts from r-ivilianlife when, after all, each one of the men and women going into tlieArmed Forces undergo a complete medical checkup at the time theycome into service. It would seem to me that either the checkup theyare getting is improper and done in a very sloppv way—and havinggone through the process myself, I can understand this mav be oneof the reasons for it. But I just can't conceive that a large percentage,or any significant percentage of the addicts that thev have in theArmy came through from civilian life without being detected at thevery beginning.Mv. Winn. Not beinff a medical doctor and not knowing, either,the total physical examination, I doubt that imtil recently, or if at all,even today, that they are looking for drug abusers. I doubt if theyare during a urinalysis, looking for tlie results or the possibility ofthe hard drugs.(xovernor Carter, ^fr. Chairman, they did inform us that they :irenow conducting a urinalvsis (m every veteran who is being dis