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380Mr. Ingersoll. No. I don't recall sajdng that, Mi-. Kangel. I said thatthey were part of the motivating factor. I think that our AmbassadorBunker, for example, in Vietnam, has probably been the major energizer,as far as that operation there is concerned. Our embassies havethe responsibility for carrying on U.S. policy in foreign countries._Mr. Eangel. Well, then, that would be by far the most severe restrictionsof the responsibilities of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics andDangerous Drugs ; would it not ?Mr. Ingersoll. Mr. Rangel, the Bureau of Narcotics and DangerousDrugs, aside from myself as the U.S. representative to the U.N. Commissionon Narcotic Drugs, is not involved in negotiating with foreigngovernments agreements to develop a policy as to whether, for example,opium is going to be produced or not going to be produced.Our people are over there to work with those governments in a varietyof modalities. One is to train the police, to assist in their training.to provide them information which will improve their operations, toassist them in their operations. But we have no unilateral or separateauthority in a foreign country to enforce the law of that country andour presence there is to protect the interests of the United States asbest we can with the limited resources we have, and with the restrictionsthat are placed upon us by the foreign government concerned.Mr. Rangel. Now, that satisfies my questioning—as to the impactthat you could possibly have on any host nation.Now, as it relates to your domestic responsibility, you have recentlyincreased your number of agents from 500 to roughly 1,300, 1,500, andat the same time the drug addiction population has exploded thousandsof times in the last 10 years. So that it is safe to say that no matter howmany men you have, that you will not be able to decrease the amount ofdrugs that is coming into the United States at the present time ?Mr. Ingersoll. I can't completely agree with that—with the conclusionof that, but I agree, and as I said before, that law enforcement byitself without support of other programs is not going to solve theproblem.Mr. Rangel. We are not talking about the socioeconomic programs.I am merely talking about patrolling our borders and stopping the importationof drugs into these United States. Certainly the doubling ofmen, almost tripling of men, has had no evidence of a decrease inimportation.Mr. Ingersoll. Let me point out, sir, that doubling or almost triplinghas occurred only in the last 2 years. During the period up until1968, the old Federal Bureau of Narcotics only had 30 more peoplethan it had in 1960. Between 1960 and 1968 the money that was providedto the old Bureau of Narcotics increased at a rate of less than1 percent per year, and as you have just said yourself, this is whenthe explosion in drug abuse occurred in this country. We are doingour best right now to catch up with a problem that was ignored fordecades.Mr. Rangel. Mr. Ingersoll, believe meMr. Ingersoll. And I think law enforcement hasn't been given theopportunity to demonstrate what it can do, given the necessary resources,given the support, and all of the other things to go into effectivelaw enforcement programs.
.381-,,, Mr. Rangel. Please, I am not trying to be critical of the efforts, theterrific efforts and gains that have been made by your limited policeforce. My real question is : Is it fair for me to assume that a 1,300- or1,500-man force, assuming they are split up into tours and duty, willhave any possible deterrence on the importation of drugs into theUnited States ?Mr. Ingersoll. I think that remains to be seen, and I am sure thata 1,300-man operation by itself will not, but in addition to that, in thelast couple of years we have trained tens of thousands of other policeofficers who had absolutely no knowledge of drug control techniquesat all before that. We have assisted governments of other countries, intheir efforts to develop their own domestic and international operation.What I am trying to say, Mr. Rangel, is that these things havejust started, in fairly recent times, and we are tiying to catch up witha problem that is practically engulfing us.Mr. Rangel. What I am trying to say, Mr. Ingersoll, is : the Presidentof the United States has promised in broad terms a national offensiveagainst drugs being imported into these United States.And certainly the American people are anxious to hear that we dohave a commitment against this.However, we are restricted in extending credibility to the remarksmade by the President, by your testimony, which indicates that as ofthe present time you have no international powers; first of all, thatyour agency has the prime responsibility of preventing drugs fromcoming into the United States and we all recognize the internationalrestrictions that your Bureau would have.Second, that you have a very limited amount of men that are onduty, 61 in foreign countries, with no powers. You have 1,300 men onduty in this country and certainly we don't believe that they have thetools to work with to do any more than just make a dent in the importationof drugs, just make a dent, and it seems to me, and I don'tknow whether you agree, that unless we can have more executivepower being used against these nations, that there will not be an alloutoffensive against drugs being imported into the United States.Mr. Ingersoll. Mr. Rangel, it is fair to say that we could use ourresources and our assets more productively and in a more positiveway, and this is one of the areas that we are presently exploring.But let me tell you what the 61 men have done so far this year. Theyhave, with foreign authorities, seized over 2,000 pounds of opium, over1,500 pounds of morphine base, which is the equivalent of 15,000pounds of opium, 15,000 pounds of opium, sir, 220 pounds of heroin,130 pounds of cocaine, 27,000 pounds of marihuana and 7,902 poundsof hashish. That is what those 61 men have been able to accomplishin collaborating with foreign police agencies and I say that theyhave done a pretty good job.Mr. Rangel. I would say they have done an outstanding job.Mr. Ingersoll. In addition to that, in the first 6 months of this yearthey participated in the arrest of 113 major international traffickersoutside of the United States.Mr. Rangel. I am not questioning the tremendous job that is beingdone with your limited force. What I am really questioning is whetheror not your agency as it presently exists, with its restricted power60-296—71^pt. 2 4
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380Mr. Ingersoll. No. I don't recall sajdng that, Mi-. Kangel. I said thatthey were part of the motivating factor. I think that our AmbassadorBunker, for example, in Vietnam, has probably been the major energizer,as far as that operation there is concerned. Our embassies havethe responsibility for carrying on U.S. policy in foreign countries._Mr. Eangel. Well, then, that would be by far the most severe restrictionsof the responsibilities of the Federal Bureau of <strong>Narcotics</strong> <strong>and</strong>Dangerous Drugs ; would it not ?Mr. Ingersoll. Mr. Rangel, the Bureau of <strong>Narcotics</strong> <strong>and</strong> DangerousDrugs, aside from myself as the U.S. representative to the U.N. Commissionon Narcotic Drugs, is not involved in negotiating with foreigngovernments agreements to develop a policy as to whether, for example,opium is going to be produced or not going to be produced.Our people are over there to work with those governments in a varietyof modalities. One is to train the police, to assist in their training.to provide them information which will improve their operations, toassist them in their operations. But we have no unilateral or separateauthority in a foreign country to enforce the law of that country <strong>and</strong>our presence there is to protect the interests of the United States asbest we can with the limited resources we have, <strong>and</strong> with the restrictionsthat are placed upon us by the foreign government concerned.Mr. Rangel. Now, that satisfies my questioning—as to the impactthat you could possibly have on any host nation.Now, as it relates to your domestic responsibility, you have recentlyincreased your number of agents from 500 to roughly 1,300, 1,500, <strong>and</strong>at the same time the drug addiction population has exploded thous<strong>and</strong>sof times in the last 10 years. So that it is safe to say that no matter howmany men you have, that you will not be able to decrease the amount ofdrugs that is coming into the United States at the present time ?Mr. Ingersoll. I can't completely agree with that—with the conclusionof that, but I agree, <strong>and</strong> as I said before, that law enforcement byitself without support of other programs is not going to solve theproblem.Mr. Rangel. We are not talking about the socioeconomic programs.I am merely talking about patrolling our borders <strong>and</strong> stopping the importationof drugs into these United States. Certainly the doubling ofmen, almost tripling of men, has had no evidence of a decrease inimportation.Mr. Ingersoll. Let me point out, sir, that doubling or almost triplinghas occurred only in the last 2 years. During the period up until1968, the old Federal Bureau of <strong>Narcotics</strong> only had 30 more peoplethan it had in 1960. Between 1960 <strong>and</strong> 1968 the money that was providedto the old Bureau of <strong>Narcotics</strong> increased at a rate of less than1 percent per year, <strong>and</strong> as you have just said yourself, this is whenthe explosion in drug abuse occurred in this country. We are doingour best right now to catch up with a problem that was ignored fordecades.Mr. Rangel. Mr. Ingersoll, believe meMr. Ingersoll. And I think law enforcement hasn't been given theopportunity to demonstrate what it can do, given the necessary resources,given the support, <strong>and</strong> all of the other things to go into effectivelaw enforcement programs.
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