Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

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378Chairman Pepper. We will take a temporary recess and go overand answer the quoiTim call, and then come back and resume Mr.Ingersoll's testimony.(A brief recess was taken.)Chairman Pepper. The committee will come to order, please.Mr. Rangel.Mr. Rangel. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.Mr. Ingersoll, the responses I have received since I have been downhere, from the Office of the President, the State Department, theAttorney General, and the Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,indicate that your Bureau has the responsibility for stemmingthe illicit flow of drugs into the United States. Is that a fair descriptionof your responsibilities and that of your Bureau?Mr. Ingersoll. We have the primary responsibility and, of course,the Bureau of Customs has responsibility at ports and border crossings.Mr. Rangel. You say you have 1,500 agents?Mr. Ingersoll. No, sir. About 1,300 at this time.Mr. Rangel. How many of these agents are assigned to foreigncountries in connection with the international traffic?Mr. Ingersoll, Of the agents, 61.Mr. Rangel. Of those 61, roughly 15 will be assigned to SoutheastAsia?Mr. Ingersoll. At this tim.e;yes, sir.I should point out also, Mr. Rangel, that we also have responsibilityfor controlling domestic traffic on an international level, as well. Somost of our personnel are stationed within the United States.Mr. Rangel. Well, let us talk about your domestic responsibilities.When I was prosecuting narcotics cases in the southern district of XewYork, I found that upward of 80 percent of the cases made by theFederal Bureau of Narcotics under the Harrison Act were addictpushers that were convicted in our office. Is that basically the sametoday ?I might add, in addition to that, that they were black and PuertoRican.Mr. Ingersoll. That is not true today, sir.Mr. Rangel. So that if the major responsibility that you have is theinternal flow of narcotics into this country, and you are restricted to61 agents for the international trafficking of drugs, and the Presidentof the United States says that your agency has the sole or the primaryresponsibility, let us see what we are talking about when you try to doyour job to prevent the inflow of narcotics into the United States.Number 1, is not your Bureau restricted in what it can do or sayby the U.S. State Department ?Mr. Ingersoll. I am not sure I understand that question.Mr. Rangel. Well, in your international travels for the purpose ofrestricting drugs from flowing into the United States, you have theopportunity to deal with political leaders of ceitain states, and isn'tthe extent of any agreements that you can enter into restricted by ourState Department ?Mr. Ingersoll. Certainly the State Department has input in anyagreements that we reach ;yes.Mr. Rangel. Let me put it another way: Do you have by law orpolicy any power to enforce any agreement with any foreign power?

379Mr. Ingersoll. I am not at all sure that I understand your question,Mr. Rangel.Mr. Rangel. I will rephrase it.Mr. Ingersoll. All right.Mr. Rangel. I am concerned that when the President of the UnitedStates says there is going to be a national effort to stop the inflow ofdrugs into the United States and then they go further and give thisresponsibility to your agency as to whether or not they have also givenyou the power to do anything about the international trafficking ofdrugs, and I see nothing in the law which empowers you to enter intoany type of treaties or to apply any economic sanctions with the headsof any State.Mr. Ingersoll. "When I am dealing with officials of foreign governments,I am acting as a representative of the President of the UnitedStates.Mr. Rangel. Now, as it relates to the Department of Defense, in inquiriesthat were made of you, you are unfamiliar even with the drugaddiction problem as it exists within the military and this properlyfalls wdthin the Department of Defense ; is that correct ?Mr. Ingersoll. Iam not personally intimately acquainted but Thave people on my staff who are well acquainted with the problem inthe military.Mr. Rangel. But in connection with your primary responsibility ofthe internal flow of narcotic drugs, this responsibility is somewhatsliared by the Department of Defense as relates to the military ?Mr. Ingersoll. Yes. I would say that the control of drugs is sharedin more w^ays than just that in the United States.Mr. Rangel. And as it relates to the CIA, they, too, have a responsi-ibility to investigate the international flow of drugs ; don't they ?Mr. Ingersoll. They have no statutory responsibility that I amaware of. However, they do cooperate with us and provide a great dealof information about international traffic to us.Mr. Rangel. Now, how can you generalize the impact of the CIAinformation w^hen Ramparts magazine. Congressmen Murphy andSteele, and your personal trip over there were really the source or thereasons why there has been some movement by the South Vietnamese '?Mr. Ingersoll. I don't know that. I am not that familiar with CIAoperations, and I just couldn't answer that question.Mr. Rangel. Well, I have a letter from the CIA which indicates thatthey have a very close—actually CIA has for some time been this Bureau'sstrongest partner in identifying foreign sources and routes ofillegal trade and traffic—in other words, it seems to be from youragency as well as the CIA that there is a very close relationship "^thatexists, as it relates to the international trafficking of drugs.Mr. Ingersoll. There is a close relationship in terms of sharing informationand moving information back and forth, but I am* notfamiliar with either the authority or the policy or the practices of CIAm terms of influencing other goverimaents. But as far as operational informationis concerned, the letter is precisely accurate.Mr. Rangel. Yet you believe, as you testified, that CongressmenJMurphy and Steele's visits, coupled with your visit, was probably themotivating factor of having any reaction to the drug traffic as it relatesto South V letnam ?

378Chairman Pepper. We will take a temporary recess <strong>and</strong> go over<strong>and</strong> answer the quoiTim call, <strong>and</strong> then come back <strong>and</strong> resume Mr.Ingersoll's testimony.(A brief recess was taken.)Chairman Pepper. The committee will come to order, please.Mr. Rangel.Mr. Rangel. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.Mr. Ingersoll, the responses I have received since I have been downhere, from the Office of the President, the State Department, theAttorney General, <strong>and</strong> the Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,indicate that your Bureau has the responsibility for stemmingthe illicit flow of drugs into the United States. Is that a fair descriptionof your responsibilities <strong>and</strong> that of your Bureau?Mr. Ingersoll. We have the primary responsibility <strong>and</strong>, of course,the Bureau of Customs has responsibility at ports <strong>and</strong> border crossings.Mr. Rangel. You say you have 1,500 agents?Mr. Ingersoll. No, sir. About 1,300 at this time.Mr. Rangel. How many of these agents are assigned to foreigncountries in connection with the international traffic?Mr. Ingersoll, Of the agents, 61.Mr. Rangel. Of those 61, roughly 15 will be assigned to SoutheastAsia?Mr. Ingersoll. At this tim.e;yes, sir.I should point out also, Mr. Rangel, that we also have responsibilityfor controlling domestic traffic on an international level, as well. Somost of our personnel are stationed within the United States.Mr. Rangel. Well, let us talk about your domestic responsibilities.When I was prosecuting narcotics cases in the southern district of XewYork, I found that upward of 80 percent of the cases made by theFederal Bureau of <strong>Narcotics</strong> under the Harrison Act were addictpushers that were convicted in our office. Is that basically the sametoday ?I might add, in addition to that, that they were black <strong>and</strong> PuertoRican.Mr. Ingersoll. That is not true today, sir.Mr. Rangel. So that if the major responsibility that you have is theinternal flow of narcotics into this country, <strong>and</strong> you are restricted to61 agents for the international trafficking of drugs, <strong>and</strong> the Presidentof the United States says that your agency has the sole or the primaryresponsibility, let us see what we are talking about when you try to doyour job to prevent the inflow of narcotics into the United States.Number 1, is not your Bureau restricted in what it can do or sayby the U.S. State Department ?Mr. Ingersoll. I am not sure I underst<strong>and</strong> that question.Mr. Rangel. Well, in your international travels for the purpose ofrestricting drugs from flowing into the United States, you have theopportunity to deal with political leaders of ceitain states, <strong>and</strong> isn'tthe extent of any agreements that you can enter into restricted by ourState Department ?Mr. Ingersoll. Certainly the State Department has input in anyagreements that we reach ;yes.Mr. Rangel. Let me put it another way: Do you have by law orpolicy any power to enforce any agreement with any foreign power?

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