Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

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244hospitals in the city, came into our program. In answer to your question,two marines I know personally came back addicted. The reasonthe marines snort heroin and don't inject it is so they won't leavetrackmarks. But when they come back here they will start injectingheroin. This one Marine had gotten $6,000 from an automobile accidentand wanted to return to the Orient for drugs. I got him into themethadone program and he is doing very well, u; ruoiu iChairman Pepper. Mr. Perito, please proceed.Mr. Perito. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.First, Doctor, do you believe that private physicians should be permittedto maintain addicts on a maintenance program ?Dr. GoLLAxcE. At this time I would say no. Our feeling is that thisshould be done in a structured program. We have given a lot ofthought to how to use private practitioners. For example, if we had awell-stabilized patient he might be referred to a private practitioner.If this were done, it would furnish a means of having the patientchecked, because there is possibility of abuse.There is the program in New York City that disbursesMr. Pertto. You mean dispensing of methadone by a private physician; is that what you are talking about ?Dr. Gollance. That is right.Mr. Perito. What steps can be taken in order to avoid problems"'of this nature ? ^'''^ ^'^^^-'^ ^^''^ ' ,' '^ f^'^ ^ ' '•! o^i JDr. Gollance. Well, the thing is if you can set up enough programsso the patient can come in and get it from established programs verycheaply and receive good care. We g&t many patients from this privatedoctor when we can reach him on our list.'^-^ ''^- ' "'''^ o.iPj.i,:>. i .^i/:Unfortunately, we have quite a long waiting list. The last time T wasbefore this committee, we were asked how can we expand the program.I might say, since that time last year, we have taken as many patientsin 1 year as were taken in all of the previous 5 years. We have themechanism for expanding this widely if' we get the necessary fundsMr. Perito. Do you believe addiction is a metabolic situation ?Dr. Gollance. I think you have to make that assumption. At leastit has worked here. The psychological and sociological apiproacheshave not worked for this type of patient. We have tried all thesethings without methadone and they haven't worked. Under methadoneyou can use a number of successful aLppjcoac.hes, but without it we have'c. ..,. ^.i. _ii;been very unsuccessful.Mr. Perito. What steps have you taken in your program to controldiversion?Dr. Gollance. First of all, we limit the size of the clinic so weknow the patient. We constantly watch the patient, besides the urinechecks, to know that he is not using Other drugs, and if we have anysuspicion at all we will put him on a daily regime.One of the interesting tilings is the patient develops a loyalty to tlieprogram. I know addicts are not supposed to squeal, biit tliey willcome to us and toll us. look out for this f'^How. and avo will. Thoy willgive us information about our patients. We have a patient-phvsicianrelationship. We don't take a punitive approach. We don't look at theaddict as a dope fiend or outcast. We encourage him to tell us whenhe is abusinc:. In the first few weeks he will.

'! Dr.245If he is using other drugs we will ask him to tell us so we can workwith him.Mr. Perito. Finally, Doctor, to the best of your knowledge, is therea black market for and in methadone in New York City?Dr. GoLLANCE. I am sorry to say there is. We have asked the policerepeatedly, ever since we have had the program, do they thuik ourprogram is a problem for them.Tliey have told us our program is not. But we do know it is gettingon the*^ streets from some very unstructured, unsupervised programs.I appeared before a group of probation officers and a police officer,and he said, "I know it gets on the street." I said, "I would like to seeit. I don't think it is any of ours." He pulled out a vial and there wasa label of this unsupervised program in New York City.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Blommer.Mr. Blommer. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman.Chairman Pepper. Mr, Waldie.Mr. Waldie. No questions.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Wiggins.Mr. Wiggins. Would you describe the workings of the central registryfor us ?GoLLANCE. The health department gets all the information.Physicians are supposed to report to them and it is strictly confidential.I would say most of their records are gotten through arrestrecords. When arrested, that is reported to the central registry. Also,physicians and others with knowledge are required to report this tothe health department.Incidentally, Dr. Dole has been working on detoxifying prisonersin the New York City prison and at nights I have personally observedthat at least two-thirds of the prisoners are addicts under the influenceof heroin.Mr. Wiggins. Can you describe the methadone registry for therecord?Dr. GoLLANCE. That is a special methadone registry under the directionof Eockefeller University. This registry for the methadonepatients is available to Dr. Gearing and Dr. Dole at Rockefeller. Anypatient we treat, or any hospital connected with us must report everypatient into this central computer. We finance and train hospitals.One thing that we will not yield on in any way is that they mustreport in their results in exactly the same manner as we do. There isstandardized reporting in our program.However, there are programs that do not report to this centralregistry.Mr. Wiggins. That is all.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Brasco.Mr. Brasco. Yes. Could you tell us, Doctor, how long is the waitinglist for the program ? -.iuAj-"ji\r nfi : .Dr. GoLLANCE. It varies. It used to be very long. It has gotten muchshorter. We have set up a number of programs, including what we callrapid induction. We are working now on what we call a holding program.That will cut down waiting time. It varies from weeks "tomonths, depending on the area in which the patient lives.;;Mr. Brasco. That is another thing. I know it is localized. ComingIrom- New. York, I had an opportunity to try to place a young man

244hospitals in the city, came into our program. In answer to your question,two marines I know personally came back addicted. The reasonthe marines snort heroin <strong>and</strong> don't inject it is so they won't leavetrackmarks. But when they come back here they will start injectingheroin. This one Marine had gotten $6,000 from an automobile accident<strong>and</strong> wanted to return to the Orient for drugs. I got him into themethadone program <strong>and</strong> he is doing very well, u; ruoiu iChairman Pepper. Mr. Perito, please proceed.Mr. Perito. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.First, Doctor, do you believe that private physicians should be permittedto maintain addicts on a maintenance program ?Dr. GoLLAxcE. At this time I would say no. Our feeling is that thisshould be done in a structured program. We have given a lot ofthought to how to use private practitioners. For example, if we had awell-stabilized patient he might be referred to a private practitioner.If this were done, it would furnish a means of having the patientchecked, because there is possibility of abuse.There is the program in New York City that disbursesMr. Pertto. You mean dispensing of methadone by a private physician; is that what you are talking about ?Dr. Gollance. That is right.Mr. Perito. What steps can be taken in order to avoid problems"'of this nature ? ^'''^ ^'^^^-'^ ^^''^ ' ,' '^ f^'^ ^ ' '•! o^i JDr. Gollance. Well, the thing is if you can set up enough programsso the patient can come in <strong>and</strong> get it from established programs verycheaply <strong>and</strong> receive good care. We g&t many patients from this privatedoctor when we can reach him on our list.'^-^ ''^- ' "'''^ o.iPj.i,:>. i .^i/:Unfortunately, we have quite a long waiting list. The last time T wasbefore this committee, we were asked how can we exp<strong>and</strong> the program.I might say, since that time last year, we have taken as many patientsin 1 year as were taken in all of the previous 5 years. We have themechanism for exp<strong>and</strong>ing this widely if' we get the necessary fundsMr. Perito. Do you believe addiction is a metabolic situation ?Dr. Gollance. I think you have to make that assumption. At leastit has worked here. The psychological <strong>and</strong> sociological apiproacheshave not worked for this type of patient. We have tried all thesethings without methadone <strong>and</strong> they haven't worked. Under methadoneyou can use a number of successful aLppjcoac.hes, but without it we have'c. ..,. ^.i. _ii;been very unsuccessful.Mr. Perito. What steps have you taken in your program to controldiversion?Dr. Gollance. First of all, we limit the size of the clinic so weknow the patient. We constantly watch the patient, besides the urinechecks, to know that he is not using Other drugs, <strong>and</strong> if we have anysuspicion at all we will put him on a daily regime.One of the interesting tilings is the patient develops a loyalty to tlieprogram. I know addicts are not supposed to squeal, biit tliey willcome to us <strong>and</strong> toll us. look out for this f'^How. <strong>and</strong> avo will. Thoy willgive us information about our patients. We have a patient-phvsicianrelationship. We don't take a punitive approach. We don't look at theaddict as a dope fiend or outcast. We encourage him to tell us whenhe is abusinc:. In the first few weeks he will.

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