Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ... Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

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^'220is not a very forgiving drug. Its side effects require that the treatershave a considerable degree of skill. It still lasts only 24 hours. Giventhe effort required and given the level of patient acceptance, I don'tthink cyclazocine is a drug that in its present form we can hope tosee widely employed.Naloxone is a very promising substance, theoretically, in that it hasno side effects at all. For most people it is entirely inert. The problemis that it is not very effective orally and it is short acting. Its cost issuch that even if you wanted to take it every day in huge quantities, itwould probably cost as much as the heroin habit that you are tryingto treat. Therefore, naloxone in its present dosage form, to me, is nota very useful or a hopeful approach.rI might say that our hope lies with the entire family of narcoticsantagonists, and there are literally dozens that could be investigated,one of which I am sure will be extremely potent, orally effective, andhave minimal side effects.If that then proves to be promising it could be converted into somekind of dosage form that might be effective for at least several daysor weeks.This is a matter of product development. I am sure it can be done ifpeople are willing to put the effort into it.Chairman Pepper. And the money.Do you think it would be in the public interest for the Federal Governmentto expand its research funds to encourage the appropriatepeople to develop those leads that you are talking about ?o Dr. Jaite. I think if we do not look into them we will be remiss.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Blommer, do you have any questions ?Mr. Blommer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.Doctor, I believe Dr. Dole of New York has said he believes thatabout 25 percent of the heroin addicts in New York would benefit frommethadone maintenance. I wonder if you could comment on that statementand tell the committee what type of heroin addict you believeshould be put into a methadone-maintenance-type of program ?Dr. Jaffe. Well, I will comment first on the 25 percent. I don't knowhow Dr. Dole obtained his figure, but we came out with almost thesame figure, based on a very empirical 2-year study of heroin users inthe Chicago area.In other words, we admitted everybody who came. If you came tothe door, you were admitted. We thought, based on epidemicologicstudies in the commounity, that about half of known active narcoticsusers would seek treatment, and, of those, over tlie long run about lialfwould obtain substantial benefits. So half of half is 25 percent. Thisis based on or data of several years and several thousand patients.What kind of patient would benefit is much more difficult to answer:,because it is very hard to predict. ^ -Mr. Wiggins. I^et me interrupt, because I want to get somethilig^^^> imy mind. mDr. Jaffe. Yes, sir.Mr. Wiggins. Would you say that any person who is inclined totake heroin would be better off taking methadone instead of heroin ?Dr. Jaffe. I am not sure what you have in mind when j-ou say anyperson inclined to take heroin.

:1;o22l"''Mr. Wiggins. A lot of people are inclined to take heroin for verypoor reasons, but they do it, nevertheless. Is methadone better thanheroin tDr. Jaffe. Well, oral methadone is a lot safer than heroin boughtfrom a pusher on the street without any question. If I had someoneabsolutely committed to finding out how a narcotic drug felt andyou presented me only two alternatives, either they wanted to buysome heroin on the street, cook it, or take a swallow of oral methadone,I think the answer would be obvious. They would be a lot better offand safer taking methadone. But I don't know if that is what youare driving at. .Mr. Raxgel. Let me ask this : Would your answer be the same itthe heroin was being taken orally, notwithstanding the difference mreaction?Dr. Jaffe. No; if these were known dosages of heroin and methadone,both taken orally, I don't think that it really makes much ciifferenceat all.Mr. RaXgel. Would it make much of a difference if the methadonewere injected?Dr. Jaffe. Oh, yes. Injectable narcotics produce some very reinforcingeffects in the sense that you can do research on animals andyou can show that animals, given an opportunity to inject_intravenouslyany one of the narcotics, learn very quickly to keep injectingthose drugs.Mr. Waldie. Doctor, may I interrupt you at this moment ?In response to Mr. Wiggins and Mr. Rangel's question, I understoodyou to say that if you had the same control over heroin in termsof quantity and the manner in which it is administered as you haveover methadone, the man taking heroin would be ill no better or worseposition than the man taking methadone ?Dr. Jaffe. No. The question was in response to a single dose.Further, j'ou are talking about chronic administration.Mr. Waldie. Let me phrase the question this way, then : There is aconcern among some people, and I share it, that we are substitutingone addictive drug for another. Is there some advantage to that substitution,to substitute methadone for heroin, other than the advantagesthat you have stated, that there might be an infection because ofthe intravenous injection and there might be adverse effects becauseof the impurity of the heroin ?Dr. Jaffe. Oh, yes. .):Mr. Waldie. Are there other results that are beneficial for use ofmethadone rather than heroin ?Dr. Jaffe. In our present context, without a,nj question. There aretwo; '' 'First of all, the oral absorption of heroin is somewhat erratic. Furthermore,the drug—and I am not sure this has been studied in detail—isprobably not even in significant quantity going to have smoothduration of action if you were to give it once a day under observation.mean, if you were still in the position of looki'^o- for somethingwhich lasts 24 hours, of letting peonle take it home for their own use.As soon as you begin letting people take it home to]H,have troublewith illicit diversion and'accidental ingestion."ff ! y rfCMJoefiii Y

:1;o22l"''Mr. Wiggins. A lot of people are inclined to take heroin for verypoor reasons, but they do it, nevertheless. Is methadone better thanheroin tDr. Jaffe. Well, oral methadone is a lot safer than heroin boughtfrom a pusher on the street without any question. If I had someoneabsolutely committed to finding out how a narcotic drug felt <strong>and</strong>you presented me only two alternatives, either they wanted to buysome heroin on the street, cook it, or take a swallow of oral methadone,I think the answer would be obvious. They would be a lot better off<strong>and</strong> safer taking methadone. But I don't know if that is what youare driving at. .Mr. Raxgel. Let me ask this : Would your answer be the same itthe heroin was being taken orally, notwithst<strong>and</strong>ing the difference mreaction?Dr. Jaffe. No; if these were known dosages of heroin <strong>and</strong> methadone,both taken orally, I don't think that it really makes much ciifferenceat all.Mr. RaXgel. Would it make much of a difference if the methadonewere injected?Dr. Jaffe. Oh, yes. Injectable narcotics produce some very reinforcingeffects in the sense that you can do <strong>research</strong> on animals <strong>and</strong>you can show that animals, given an opportunity to inject_intravenouslyany one of the narcotics, learn very quickly to keep injectingthose drugs.Mr. Waldie. Doctor, may I interrupt you at this moment ?In response to Mr. Wiggins <strong>and</strong> Mr. Rangel's question, I understoodyou to say that if you had the same control over heroin in termsof quantity <strong>and</strong> the manner in which it is administered as you haveover methadone, the man taking heroin would be ill no better or worseposition than the man taking methadone ?Dr. Jaffe. No. The question was in response to a single dose.Further, j'ou are talking about chronic administration.Mr. Waldie. Let me phrase the question this way, then : There is aconcern among some people, <strong>and</strong> I share it, that we are substitutingone addictive drug for another. Is there some advantage to that substitution,to substitute methadone for heroin, other than the advantagesthat you have stated, that there might be an infection because ofthe intravenous injection <strong>and</strong> there might be adverse effects becauseof the impurity of the heroin ?Dr. Jaffe. Oh, yes. .):Mr. Waldie. Are there other results that are beneficial for use ofmethadone rather than heroin ?Dr. Jaffe. In our present context, without a,nj question. There aretwo; '' 'First of all, the oral absorption of heroin is somewhat erratic. Furthermore,the drug—<strong>and</strong> I am not sure this has been studied in detail—isprobably not even in significant quantity going to have smoothduration of action if you were to give it once a day under observation.mean, if you were still in the position of looki'^o- for somethingwhich lasts 24 hours, of letting peonle take it home for their own use.As soon as you begin letting people take it home to]H,have troublewith illicit diversion <strong>and</strong>'accidental ingestion."ff ! y rfCMJoefiii Y

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