Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ... Narcotics research, rehabilitation, and treatment. Hearings, Ninety ...

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;;92Locating illicit opium cropsDetecting illegal material at ports of entryDeveloping drug network vulnerability data ; andImproving resource management.The important aspects are (1) the need for a total systems approach;(2) the need for an accelerated research and developmenteffort ; and (3) the need to get started now.Thank you very much.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Jaffe, I want to commend you on your magnificentand comprehensive statement, that you have given as to howthis whole problem should be coordinated in an effective and comprehensiveprogram.Mr. Perito, do you have any questions ?Mr. Perito. Mr. Jaffe, you have had some contact both with theFederal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, and U.S. Customsregarding your presentation ; is that correct ?Mr. Jafft:. Yes.Mr. Pertto. Could you estimate what it would cost the Governmentat this point to put together the type of research and developmentprogram which you have suggested ?Mr. Jaffe. It is very difficult to answer that on a short-term basis.On a longer term basis, and comparing it to the existing budgets asI have been able to reconstruct them, which is difficult, I would guessit runs something on the order of $10 million over a 5-year period;something like that.Chairman Pepper. Excuse me.You mean $10 million for 5 years ?Mr. Jaffe. Distributed over a 5-year period.Mr. Perito. Mr. Jaffe, do you know how much is now being spent onsuch efforts by the Federal Government ?Mr. Jaffe. No ; I do not know precisely. I have some bits and piecesof information about what particular subagencies are spending, butthat is all.Mr. Perito. I assume then, based upon your contacts, vou wouldconclude that the Federal Government is spending something minimal,at best ?Mr. Jaffe. Oh. very minimal.Mr. Perito. If you were assigned the responsibility of policing aninternational narcotics treaty, wherein all the signatories would agreenot to Arrow poppies, do vou believe this technological approach couldbe used by the International Narcotics Control Board, for example,to police throuflfh satellite surveillance the cultivation of poppies?Mr. Jaffe. The use of satellite surveillance may not be available tous in the immediate future. But high-flying aircraft, and ultimatelythe use of satellites, will provide that kind of capability. It would significantlvcontribute—in fact, it is difficult to imagine how such atreaty would be enforceable without such surveillance or somethingequivalent.Mr. Perito. At the present time, do you know of any accelerated researchconcerning an international data bank?Mr. Jaffe. I don't have anv specific knowledge about that; no.Mr. Perito. Do you envision that a data bank could be set up sothat you could have input from several countries and protect the disclosurefrom those people who should not get disclosure ?

93In other words, can you envision a data bank which would sufficientlyservice an organization like Interpol, yet at the same time notbe available to the individuals who could wrongfully profit by thisinformation ?Mr. Jaffe. The question of security in data banks has received a lotof attention of late, and I would suspect that the probability is it couldbe done as well as it coud be done in any other area. I think that couldbe effected.Chairman Pepper. Just one question before the other Congressmeninquire.Mr. Jaffe, would it be possible to develop any sort of technicalmethod by which you could detect the conversion of morphine baseinto heroin as it takes place in the laboratories of southern France byflying over the area where the laboratories are located?Mr. Jaffe. Yes ; I think there is at least a sufficiently good chanceof that being done so that it deserves more attention than it seems tobe getting.Yes; as Dr. Yondorf is saying, that would be susceptible to countermeasures,and one gets into this problem which the military faces, ofcountermeasures and counter-countermeasures. But I don't think thatis a sufficient argument not to take the first step ; that is, for us to takethe initiative in trying to locate those laboratories, especially from theair.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Brasco, do you have any questions ?Mr. Brasco. Yes.I am sorry I am late, Dr. Jaffe. This is rather interesting.I didn't get a chance to go through the beginning—that we do haveat this time such devices or are you suggesting the $10 million go intothe research and developinent of such devices ?Mr. Jaffe. I am saying that there is a very limited effort underway on the development of such methods.Mr. Brasco. But we don't have the devices that you are speakingabout ?Mr. Jaffe. Generally not of the various things I have spoken about.Generally they are not available in an operational sense. They are notbeing used on the street by enforcement agencies.Mr. Brasco. This $10 million that you were speaking about is thecost of the entire project? Is that the cost for the entire project, asyou set forth in your summary ; that is, locating, detecting, developingthe dragnet work and improving the resource management?Mr. Jaffe. Yes; provided that you understand that that does notmean it includes the operational costs, the cost of using it. That figureis the cost of a research and development program that should producesuch results.Mr. Brasco. I understand. Now, what would then be the cost afterit is produced, if you have any idea, of putting itMr. Jaffe. That is really a little bit out of my realm, and I don'tknow. For example, if we developed a technique for overflying, whatit costs to run an aircraft for an hour I really don't know. But itwould be that sort of thing.Mr. Brasco. How long, if you had the $10 million, do you think itmight take to develop such a program ?

;;92Locating illicit opium cropsDetecting illegal material at ports of entryDeveloping drug network vulnerability data ; <strong>and</strong>Improving resource management.The important aspects are (1) the need for a total systems approach;(2) the need for an accelerated <strong>research</strong> <strong>and</strong> developmenteffort ; <strong>and</strong> (3) the need to get started now.Thank you very much.Chairman Pepper. Mr. Jaffe, I want to commend you on your magnificent<strong>and</strong> comprehensive statement, that you have given as to howthis whole problem should be coordinated in an effective <strong>and</strong> comprehensiveprogram.Mr. Perito, do you have any questions ?Mr. Perito. Mr. Jaffe, you have had some contact both with theFederal Bureau of <strong>Narcotics</strong> <strong>and</strong> Dangerous Drugs, <strong>and</strong> U.S. Customsregarding your presentation ; is that correct ?Mr. Jafft:. Yes.Mr. Pertto. Could you estimate what it would cost the Governmentat this point to put together the type of <strong>research</strong> <strong>and</strong> developmentprogram which you have suggested ?Mr. Jaffe. It is very difficult to answer that on a short-term basis.On a longer term basis, <strong>and</strong> comparing it to the existing budgets asI have been able to reconstruct them, which is difficult, I would guessit runs something on the order of $10 million over a 5-year period;something like that.Chairman Pepper. Excuse me.You mean $10 million for 5 years ?Mr. Jaffe. Distributed over a 5-year period.Mr. Perito. Mr. Jaffe, do you know how much is now being spent onsuch efforts by the Federal Government ?Mr. Jaffe. No ; I do not know precisely. I have some bits <strong>and</strong> piecesof information about what particular subagencies are spending, butthat is all.Mr. Perito. I assume then, based upon your contacts, vou wouldconclude that the Federal Government is spending something minimal,at best ?Mr. Jaffe. Oh. very minimal.Mr. Perito. If you were assigned the responsibility of policing aninternational narcotics treaty, wherein all the signatories would agreenot to Arrow poppies, do vou believe this technological approach couldbe used by the International <strong>Narcotics</strong> Control Board, for example,to police throuflfh satellite surveillance the cultivation of poppies?Mr. Jaffe. The use of satellite surveillance may not be available tous in the immediate future. But high-flying aircraft, <strong>and</strong> ultimatelythe use of satellites, will provide that kind of capability. It would significantlvcontribute—in fact, it is difficult to imagine how such atreaty would be enforceable without such surveillance or somethingequivalent.Mr. Perito. At the present time, do you know of any accelerated <strong>research</strong>concerning an international data bank?Mr. Jaffe. I don't have anv specific knowledge about that; no.Mr. Perito. Do you envision that a data bank could be set up sothat you could have input from several countries <strong>and</strong> protect the disclosurefrom those people who should not get disclosure ?

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