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Ev 26 Justice Committee: EvidenceTuesday 29 January 2013Members present:Sir Alan Beith (Chair)Steve BrineRehman ChishtiJeremy CorbynNick de BoisMr Elfyn LlwydAndy McDonaldGraham StringerYasmin Qureshi________________Examination of WitnessesWitnesses: Juliet Lyon CBE, Director, Prison Reform Trust, Frances Crook OBE, Director, The HowardLeague for Penal Reform, and Clive Martin, Director, Clinks, gave evidence.Chair: Ms Lyon from <strong>the</strong> Prison Reform Trust, MsCrook from <strong>the</strong> Howard League and Mr Martin fromClinks, welcome. At least two of you are quite regularvisitors to us, but you are as welcome as ever for <strong>the</strong>help you can give us in our inquiry on women <strong>offenders</strong>.I am just going to see if <strong>the</strong>re are any interests to bedeclared.Mr Llwyd: I should declare that I am a member of <strong>the</strong>Howard League.Q138 Chair: Unless anyone else has anything toadd, that is probably <strong>the</strong> only relevant interest to bedeclared.To start us off, could you give us a concise view of<strong>the</strong> progress that has been made in implementing <strong>the</strong><strong>Corston</strong> recommendations?Frances Crook: Perhaps I could give an overview aboutmy concerns as to what is happening at <strong>the</strong> moment.There was a great push towards trying to implement<strong>the</strong> <strong>Corston</strong> recommendations, particularly with <strong>the</strong>funding for <strong>the</strong> women’s centres, <strong>the</strong> establishment ofwomen’s centres in <strong>the</strong> community and <strong>the</strong> politicalsupport for <strong>the</strong> women’s centres, both at a local leveland national level, and <strong>the</strong> organisation that was set upto co‐ordinate <strong>the</strong>m. That was all good grounding but ithas stalled recently. My concern is that <strong>the</strong>re is supportat ministerial level, but I am less convinced that <strong>the</strong>re issupport at Secretary of State level. We are particularlyworried, of course, about <strong>the</strong> funding. If women are tomanage in <strong>the</strong> community, helped to change and livelaw‐abiding lives and not come into contact with <strong>the</strong>criminal justice system, we need to put that supportnetwork in at a local level, where <strong>the</strong>y can get accessto <strong>the</strong> range of services that <strong>the</strong>y need to deal with <strong>the</strong>irfamilies, debt, mental health, drug addiction, alcoholaddiction and <strong>the</strong>ir homelessness. That is where <strong>the</strong>women’s centres come in. If we do not have supportfor <strong>the</strong>se centres, we are in real trouble.We can see that over <strong>the</strong> past year or so that, <strong>the</strong> prisonpopulation has dropped by around 3,000—which ismuch to be welcomed and saves <strong>the</strong> public a lot ofmoney, unnecessary money. This allows <strong>the</strong> Secretaryof State to close prisons, which will of course savequite a lot of money—however <strong>the</strong> women’s prisonpopulation has not fallen at <strong>the</strong> same rate as <strong>the</strong> men’s.Unless <strong>the</strong>re is real leadership given at a national level,we will fail to see <strong>the</strong> real changes in practice affectingso many women and <strong>the</strong>ir families across <strong>the</strong> country.Juliet Lyon: I was pleased to be a member of <strong>the</strong><strong>Corston</strong> review, following <strong>the</strong> deaths of <strong>the</strong> six youngwomen at Styal. I had high hopes at that point that<strong>the</strong> <strong>Corston</strong> review would be <strong>the</strong> pivotal route tochanging what had been a very disappointing responseto previous inquiries. Just briefly, in 2000, <strong>the</strong> PrisonReform Trust published <strong>the</strong> independent Wedderburnreview, which had similar recommendations to thoseof Baroness <strong>Corston</strong>. Following that, <strong>the</strong>re wasFawcett; <strong>the</strong>re was a Cabinet Office review and a jointinspectorate <strong>the</strong>matic report. There were a number ofreviews, all of which said pretty much <strong>the</strong> same thing,that it would be perfectly possible in relation to publicsafety to reduce <strong>the</strong> number of women going to prison,that <strong>the</strong> emphasis should be on proportionality insentencing and fairness and <strong>the</strong>re should be options in<strong>the</strong> community, bearing in mind that most women werenon‐violent, petty persistent <strong>offenders</strong> in <strong>the</strong> main andthat many had primary care responsibilities for <strong>the</strong>irchildren.As Frances has said already, myriad needs had to bemet, o<strong>the</strong>rwise <strong>the</strong> offending was likely to continue.So when Baroness <strong>Corston</strong> undertook her review,particularly given <strong>the</strong> reason that it was brought intobeing, we had hopes. After it was submitted to <strong>the</strong>Government, <strong>the</strong>re was a very long period of timebefore <strong>the</strong>re was any formal response. There<strong>after</strong>, <strong>the</strong>Government said that, in principle, <strong>the</strong>y accepted—Ithink it was—41 of <strong>the</strong> 43 recommendations. Butapart from some very distinct changes, which I drawattention to, <strong>the</strong> response has been slow. One changewas stopping routine strip searching, in recognition of<strong>the</strong> number of women who had been sexually abusedor experienced domestic violence. Routine stripsearching was seen to be no longer acceptable. Thatwas a reform that was possible because of <strong>the</strong> <strong>Corston</strong>review and that was important.We <strong>the</strong>n thought that Government would move on tosome of <strong>the</strong> wider recommendations, in particular <strong>the</strong>blueprint for reform, which is included in Baroness<strong>Corston</strong>’s review, which made it absolutely clearthat you needed leadership and accountability, apreparedness to work across Government Departments,and that <strong>the</strong> solutions would not all be found within <strong>the</strong>prison system, or indeed even within <strong>the</strong> Ministry ofJustice. In particular, she drew attention to <strong>the</strong> healthneeds of women, which we would say are paramountin relation to mental health need, substance misuse andso forth. The response has been disappointingly slow,<strong>the</strong> leadership has been largely absent and <strong>the</strong>re is <strong>the</strong>kind of feeling of, “Accountability—so what?”

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