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Seminar XXIV Final Sessions 1 - Lacan in Ireland

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moment, effectively there is always this slippage and this <strong>in</strong>terplay of signifiers as<strong>in</strong> the <strong>Sem<strong>in</strong>ar</strong> on the Purlo<strong>in</strong>ed Letter, here there would seem to be a process ofcont<strong>in</strong>uity, of curious <strong>in</strong>sistence, a first level which would be a level of denotation,which might exist <strong>in</strong> poetry, which exists <strong>in</strong> what concerns me, <strong>in</strong> a pictorialexperience where at that moment there is a first putt<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>to a scenario or aproduction; signs are scenoengraphed and are go<strong>in</strong>g to <strong>in</strong>sist at a level where theprimary passes <strong>in</strong>to the secondary and if you wish, constitutes a first formation ofsigns which themselves will be afterwards put <strong>in</strong>to the condition of an abyss bythe operation of a sort of scenic engagement.- <strong>Lacan</strong>: For my part I believe that your preverbal on this particular occasion iscompletely modelled by the verbal. I would even say that it is hyper-verbal. Whatyou call on this particular occasion filaments, is someth<strong>in</strong>g which is profoundlymotivated by the symbol and by the signifier.- X: Yes, moreover I believe that too. But let us say that the path is different anddoes not happen by the whole process of the Symbolic and this is not at all to put<strong>in</strong> doubt or to fault your teach<strong>in</strong>g even though I am not for it here.- <strong>Lacan</strong>: There is no reason why one cannot f<strong>in</strong>d fault with my teach<strong>in</strong>g.- X: No but let us say at the level of what no longer is.- <strong>Lacan</strong>: I am try<strong>in</strong>g to say that art on this particular occasion goes beyondsymbolism. Art is a know-how and the Symbolic is a pr<strong>in</strong>ciple of do<strong>in</strong>g. I th<strong>in</strong>kthat there is, that there is more truth <strong>in</strong> the say<strong>in</strong>g of art than <strong>in</strong> any amount ofblah-de-blah. That does not mean that it can pass along any path whatsoever.- X: Yes I just wanted to say that th<strong>in</strong>gs...- <strong>Lacan</strong>: It is not a preverbal. It is verbal to the power of two. There you are.58

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