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Seminar XXIV Final Sessions 1 - Lacan in Ireland

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Suppos<strong>in</strong>g that we have a torus <strong>in</strong> another torus, the same operation isconceivable for the 2 tori, namely, that from a cut made <strong>in</strong> this one and froma different dist<strong>in</strong>ct cut, s<strong>in</strong>ce it is not the same torus, made <strong>in</strong> that one. It is<strong>in</strong> this case quite clear – I will leave you to conceive it – at the fold<strong>in</strong>g backof these two tori will give us the same rod, except for the fact that <strong>in</strong> the rodthere will be an analogous content, except for the fact that for the two cases,this time, the <strong>in</strong>side will be outside and the same for this one; I mean for thetorus which is <strong>in</strong>side.How, I will ask you the question, how identify – because it is dist<strong>in</strong>ct – howidentify hysterical identification, the so-called lov<strong>in</strong>g identification to thefather and the identification that I would call neutral, the one which isneither one nor the other, which is the identification to a particular trait, to atrait that I called – that is how I translated the e<strong>in</strong>ziger Zug – that I calledany trait whatsoever?How divide up these three <strong>in</strong>versions of homogenous tori therefore <strong>in</strong> theirpractice, and what is more which ma<strong>in</strong>ta<strong>in</strong> the symmetry, as I might say,between one torus and another, how divide them up, how designate <strong>in</strong> ahomologous fashion paternal identification, hysterical identification,identification to a trait which is simply the same? There is the question onwhich I would like, that you would be good enough to engage with the nexttime.11

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