But as compared to this first torus, as compared to the same, what you haveis someth<strong>in</strong>g that I draw like that, with respect to the same, the torus-rod – ifwe remember this th<strong>in</strong>g, the torus-rod comes here, namely, that <strong>in</strong> order tosupport th<strong>in</strong>gs, the hole which is to be made <strong>in</strong> the torus, the one that Idesignated here, can be made <strong>in</strong> any locus whatsoever of the torus, up to and<strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>g cutt<strong>in</strong>g the torus here, because then it is quite manifest that thiscut torus can be turned <strong>in</strong>side out <strong>in</strong> the same way and that it will be byjo<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g two cuts that we will obta<strong>in</strong> this aspect. In other words by cutt<strong>in</strong>gthe torus here, you get what I called the presentation as a rod <strong>in</strong> the sameway, namely, that someth<strong>in</strong>g that will manifest itself <strong>in</strong> the torus by two cutswill allow a fold<strong>in</strong>g over exactly <strong>in</strong> the way as by jo<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g the two cuts – andnot by form<strong>in</strong>g the s<strong>in</strong>gle cut, the one that I made here – it is <strong>in</strong> jo<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g twocuts that we obta<strong>in</strong> this rod which I am call<strong>in</strong>g by this term, even though it isa torus.Here you have what today, and I agree it is not easy to digest, but what Iwould like the next time, namely, on the 2 nd Tuesday of December what Iwould like to hear the next time from one of you, is the way <strong>in</strong> which thesetwo modes of fold<strong>in</strong>g of the torus be<strong>in</strong>g jo<strong>in</strong>ed to a third which for its part isthe follow<strong>in</strong>g:10
Suppos<strong>in</strong>g that we have a torus <strong>in</strong> another torus, the same operation isconceivable for the 2 tori, namely, that from a cut made <strong>in</strong> this one and froma different dist<strong>in</strong>ct cut, s<strong>in</strong>ce it is not the same torus, made <strong>in</strong> that one. It is<strong>in</strong> this case quite clear – I will leave you to conceive it – at the fold<strong>in</strong>g backof these two tori will give us the same rod, except for the fact that <strong>in</strong> the rodthere will be an analogous content, except for the fact that for the two cases,this time, the <strong>in</strong>side will be outside and the same for this one; I mean for thetorus which is <strong>in</strong>side.How, I will ask you the question, how identify – because it is dist<strong>in</strong>ct – howidentify hysterical identification, the so-called lov<strong>in</strong>g identification to thefather and the identification that I would call neutral, the one which isneither one nor the other, which is the identification to a particular trait, to atrait that I called – that is how I translated the e<strong>in</strong>ziger Zug – that I calledany trait whatsoever?How divide up these three <strong>in</strong>versions of homogenous tori therefore <strong>in</strong> theirpractice, and what is more which ma<strong>in</strong>ta<strong>in</strong> the symmetry, as I might say,between one torus and another, how divide them up, how designate <strong>in</strong> ahomologous fashion paternal identification, hysterical identification,identification to a trait which is simply the same? There is the question onwhich I would like, that you would be good enough to engage with the nexttime.11
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