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that the appearance of a star guinding the magies seem to settle the year ofbirth for the year 7 B.C.Edmund Halley discoversed 79 years later the comet of the same name. It wascalculated that one of its periodic fly-pasts would have occured in 12 BC. Thereis an interesting statement in the Protoevangelium of James , 21 "...And he(Herod) examined the Magi, saying to them:" What sign have you seen in referenceto the king the has been born?" And the Magi said: "We have seen a star of greatsize shining among these stars and obscuring their light, so that the stars didnot appear. And we thus knew that a king has been born to Israel and we havecome to worship him. Protoevangelium of James , 21 ante nic Vol VIII, page 366This statement could well support the opinion of David Clark of the RoyalGreenwich Observatory, John Parkinson of Dorkin's Mullard Space ScienceLaboratory and Richard Stephenson of Newcastle University who have offered aninteresting theory: That the star of Betlehem was actually a Nova, visisble tothe Chinese Astronomers of the Han dynasty for more then seventy days in 5 BC.The acceptance of these accounts would all place the birth of Jesus between 7and 5 BC, that means 5 - 7 years off traget of the present calculation!!!That the Gospels in no way are historically reliable can be shown easily asfollows:Take for example the events preceding the birth of Jesus: The only evidence wederive is based on the Gospels of Matthew and Luke in accounts, which areimpossible to reconcile and in fact mutually excluding each other. In MatthewJoseph is visited by an angle and NOT Mary while in Luke Mary is visited and NOTJoseph. In Luke the divinity of Jesus is announced to shepherds by angels whilein Matthew a star appears in the sky, an event which is entirely omitted by allother Gospels. In Luke the shepherds of the fields of Bethlehem appear to adorethe new-born child while in Matthew the Magi appear to worship Jesus. Accordingto Matthew it appears that Joseph's home is to be Bethlehem. From there he andhis family flee to Egypt, based on a warning in a dream to Joseph while Herod,the Great, based on the evidence of the Magi is engaging himself in anextraordinary massacre of children, an atrocity which would not possibly haveevaded the attention of the famous Historian Josephus, who reported on events ofmuch lesser importance in Israel and of the ongoings at the court of Herod. Wedo know however from Josephus that Herod was cruel (Antiquities XIV:11-16) andthat killing of innocent children to destroy a possible pretender to the thronecould not be considered out of character.From Egypt then, a voyage according to Matthew predicted in the Old Testament(2:15), "Out of Egypt I called my son." (Hosea 11:1), Joseph and his family,being "afraid to return" again due to another warning in a dream (2:22)"withrew to Nazareth" in fulfiment of the prophecy that "he would be called aNazarene" (2:23), a prophecy impossible to substantiate from the Old Testament.Opposite to the tremendous disturbances accompanying the birth of Jesus inMatthew, in Luke the home of the holy family is Nazareth. From here Mary andJoseph set out to Bethlehem, to abide to a census of Augustus which is notmentioned in any of the other Gospels nor possible to corrobarate bycontemporary sources (see p....).They continue to journey to Jerusalem which would be according to thedescribtion in Matthew would have meant to enter the lions (Herod's) den,presented there the child in the temple and returned to Nazareth (2:39) wherethey lived in peace. Hence scholars in generally and since long have suggestedthat the events described above might not be taken to be actually historical butrather to serve as embelishments or as constructions to fulfil predictions fromthe Old Testament and to substantiate the Messianic claims of Christianity inparticular.Further idications of contradictions:The Genealogy accounts of Jesus' descent: If Jesus was to be the Messiah hewould appear in Betlehem. He needed to be a descendent of the house of David. In
that sense one would think the extensive efforts to establish the genealogy ofJesus in both Luke and Matthew are to be understood, which are again notrecorded in Mark and John. Not are both geneologies proposed by Luke and Matthewnot in agreement with each other. Even if they were, the problem is that thewhole genealogcal section of the two gospels which aims to present the pedigreedescent of Jesus from the house of David David fails to do so being at variancewith the virgin birth accounts. It traces the ancestry of Joseph, while thewhole point of the Virgin Birth report of Jesus is that not Joesph but the HolySpirit is the father of Jesus. This as far as the Gospel research as far as thebirth of Jesus is concerned. If you study the empty grave reports, again: youwill find four Gospels reporting four stories not just contradicting butcompletely excluding each other.Conclusion:Take it from me who is working since years on a (forthcoming) book concerningthese matters: If you want to be frustrated, try to establish the historicalJesus. Based on the Christian scripture it is simply impossible. The Gospelaccounts are reliable neither historically nor sound theologically. (see SrilaPrabhupada 's purport to Mahaprabhu's discussion with the Kazi)All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!!!He saved us from being Christians.Gracious God would we be in trouble.your servantPrithu das AdhikaryPSKindly do NOT to use the above rough excerps of my forthcoming publication forpublishing purposes. I be willing though to enter into further discussions onthe subject.-----------------------------------------------------1 Encyclopedia Brittanica 11Ed. Vol.II,p.891Comment by Suhotra SwamiNovember 18, 1995Before I did say that this question should not be answered here, but PrthuPrabhu's answer is so full of interesting details that who could complain.Rather than complain, all the Danda-ites are shouting for more!Comment by Atmarama dasNovember 19, 1995Dear Prithu Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to SrilaPrabhupada.Thank you for the information. I will certainly use them. But I also need toknow the Vaisnava calculation. I remember reading in CC that now we are in theSakabda era, and also Srila Prabhupada mentions some Bengal year. What is theprinciple of those calculations? I know that for us the Gaurabda ic accurate.What about the four yugas? I remember reading in Vedic Cosmography... that thereare some calculations that Kali-yuga started 3102 BC, so is there some someconection?Comment by Prithu das AdhikariNovember 23, 1995
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