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684<br />

A Conversation in Hell<br />

New York Post<br />

―July 21, 1999<br />

John Podhoretz<br />

JOE! Joe Kennedy! Come on in. Nice to see you. Are you enjoying the air<br />

conditioning? I know it gets pretty hot out there.<br />

Where are you these days, in the eighth circle or the ninth? Kind of a tough<br />

choice where you’re concerned. After all, the eighth circle is for the fraudulent<br />

and the ninth for the treacherous. You sure were fraudulent when you had Mayor<br />

Daley fix the 1960 presidential election for your son Jack, weren’t you? And you<br />

were pretty treacherous most of your life, what with your compulsive philandering<br />

and double-dealing.<br />

But listen, that’s what I love about you. I can’t tell you how it filled me with<br />

pride just to know you back when you were America’s ambassador to England,<br />

saying all those nice things about Hitler, doing everything you could to prevent<br />

Jewish emigration from Nazi Germany. Thousands of Jews died because of you.<br />

That was quite a demonic performance!<br />

I always knew you had it in you. I don’t remember a soul I was happier to<br />

procure when you called on me back in, what, in 1912? You knew exactly what you<br />

wanted. You wanted wealth, fame and power, and you wanted it to stretch through the<br />

generations . You wanted to be the creator ofa dynasty what would rule America..<br />

It did my ancient heart a bit of good to hear just how ruthless you could be. And you<br />

were such a tough negotiator it was fun doing business with you.<br />

It seemed like you’d thought of everything. You wanted access to power and for you<br />

that meant marrying the daughter of the mayor of Boston. Done; you and Rose Fitzgerald<br />

were joined two years later. You wanted to remain attractive and alluring to the world’s<br />

most glamorous women. Done; you became a motion picture executive and had affairs<br />

with Gloria Swanson and many other stars and starlets.<br />

You wanted wealth beyond the wildest dreams of any other Irish Bostonian. Done; you<br />

were a millionaire many times over, and lost none of it when the Great Depression hit. You<br />

wanted social position. Done; you were given the most glamorous job in government at the<br />

time ― Ambassador to the Court of St. James.<br />

And you wanted your son to president. Done as well<br />

You dotted the “i”s, you crossed the “t”s, you did everything in your power to maximize<br />

your part of the deal and minimize mine. Like all mortals whose most distinictive quality is<br />

their unbounded sense of self, you believed your soul was so valuable that it was worth the<br />

exchange.<br />

You got everything you wanted. But when a I make a deal for a soul like yours ― so<br />

unyielding in it sense of entitlement, so sure that the world should bow before it, so damned<br />

tough ― its raw to me, like uncooked meat. I need to season it, to pound on it a bit so that it<br />

becomes tender, brown it a bit on the fire before I amreadyto put it in the infernal oven.<br />

So ifI’d let that son of yours that you wanted to become president make it to the White

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