Transcript of June 7 - Peter Robinson
Transcript of June 7 - Peter Robinson Transcript of June 7 - Peter Robinson
KAREMERA ET AL MONDAY, 7 JUNE 2010 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 So it's not that we have not been concerned about the finish of this trial, but we -- that has been the -- our primary concern in this matter, and we will do everything that we can to ensure that those interests are not prejudiced in any way. MR. ROBINSON: Thank you, Mr. President. I think we understand each other very well. Thank you. MR. WEYL: Mr. President, I don't want to draw the debates, but I understand that next week there will be a Security Council meeting and this issue does not -- or doesn't have a -- disconnect (sic) with your trip. So I think that when you're talking about the suspicion of a link between the mandate -- case -- I think you understand Mr. Erlinder's personality and his involvement, the Defence. And so it's impossible not to have some suspicion, Mr. President. MR. PRESIDENT: Mr. Webster, this would be a precedent if you don't wish to say something. MR. WEBSTER: There's really not much the Prosecution can say. I would like to comment, however. The discussion to me was much more satisfying up to the point where Mr. Robinson rose a few minutes ago because I don't really understand the implications of his last submission, and certainly not Mr. Weyl's. And so it's hard to be satisfied where things are now because what can the Court do? I mean as -- as the Trial Chamber stated around ten minutes ago, regardless of what we learn by tomorrow morning, I don't see how it changes matters. But I agree, and I thank the Court for its sensitivity to the passions of the moment so that we agree that maybe starting off on a fresh footing tomorrow morning is the best thing to do. But quite frankly, I don't quite understand the implications of Mr. Robinson's last -- last submission. Regardless of what happens in Rwanda this afternoon, we're still going to have to proceed with -- with this trial, and there are two distinct issues, one for the domestic jurisdiction and national jurisdiction in Rwanda, and what we -- what we do here in the Tribunal, which I'm -- I'm simply reiterating what the Chamber itself stated, but -- MR. PRESIDENT: Mr. Webster, we are going to make another try at something I tried earlier this morning. We don't think that we should try in this forum to assist you to understand Mr. Robinson. We suggest that retreat to the Tribunal's canteen may be a good forum for both of you to try to understand each other. And on that note we take our adjournment. (Court adjourned at 1444H) (Pages 25 to 31 by Deirdre O'Mahony) DEIRDRE O'MAHONY - ICTR - TRIAL CHAMBER III - page 31
KAREMERA ET AL MONDAY, 7 JUNE 2010 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 C E R T I F I C A T E We, Jean Baigent, Tanya West and Deirdre O'Mahony, Official Court Reporters for the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, do hereby certify that the foregoing proceedings in the above-entitled cause were taken at the time and place as stated; that it was taken in shorthand (stenotype) and thereafter transcribed by computer; that the foregoing pages contain a true and correct transcription of said proceedings to the best of our ability and understanding. We further certify that we are not of counsel nor related to any of the parties to this cause and that we are in nowise interested in the result of said cause. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 ___________________________ ___________________________ ____________________________ Jean Baigent Tanya West Deirdre O'Mahony ICTR - TRIAL CHAMBER III
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So it's not that we have not been concerned about the finish <strong>of</strong> this trial, but we -- that has been the --<br />
our primary concern in this matter, and we will do everything that we can to ensure that those interests<br />
are not prejudiced in any way.<br />
MR. ROBINSON:<br />
Thank you, Mr. President. I think we understand each other very well. Thank you.<br />
MR. WEYL:<br />
Mr. President, I don't want to draw the debates, but I understand that next week there will be a<br />
Security Council meeting and this issue does not -- or doesn't have a -- disconnect (sic) with your trip.<br />
So I think that when you're talking about the suspicion <strong>of</strong> a link between the mandate -- case -- I think<br />
you understand Mr. Erlinder's personality and his involvement, the Defence. And so it's impossible not<br />
to have some suspicion, Mr. President.<br />
MR. PRESIDENT:<br />
Mr. Webster, this would be a precedent if you don't wish to say something.<br />
MR. WEBSTER:<br />
There's really not much the Prosecution can say. I would like to comment, however. The discussion to<br />
me was much more satisfying up to the point where Mr. <strong>Robinson</strong> rose a few minutes ago because I<br />
don't really understand the implications <strong>of</strong> his last submission, and certainly not Mr. Weyl's. And so it's<br />
hard to be satisfied where things are now because what can the Court do?<br />
I mean as -- as the Trial Chamber stated around ten minutes ago, regardless <strong>of</strong> what we learn by<br />
tomorrow morning, I don't see how it changes matters. But I agree, and I thank the Court for its<br />
sensitivity to the passions <strong>of</strong> the moment so that we agree that maybe starting <strong>of</strong>f on a fresh footing<br />
tomorrow morning is the best thing to do. But quite frankly, I don't quite understand the implications <strong>of</strong><br />
Mr. <strong>Robinson</strong>'s last -- last submission.<br />
Regardless <strong>of</strong> what happens in Rwanda this afternoon, we're still going to have to proceed with -- with<br />
this trial, and there are two distinct issues, one for the domestic jurisdiction and national jurisdiction in<br />
Rwanda, and what we -- what we do here in the Tribunal, which I'm -- I'm simply reiterating what the<br />
Chamber itself stated, but --<br />
MR. PRESIDENT:<br />
Mr. Webster, we are going to make another try at something I tried earlier this morning. We don't think<br />
that we should try in this forum to assist you to understand Mr. <strong>Robinson</strong>.<br />
We suggest that retreat to the Tribunal's canteen may be a good forum for both <strong>of</strong> you to try to<br />
understand each other. And on that note we take our adjournment.<br />
(Court adjourned at 1444H)<br />
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