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permanence, happiness, <strong>and</strong> purity)—until then, we<br />

need not worry ourselves over this matter.<br />

Of course, if one engages in debate with a Hindu, he<br />

may talk about many things which sound similar to the<br />

Dharmakaya. Then one must ask him: "Through what<br />

processes have you progressed to destroy the<br />

self—which is certainly necessary before one can come<br />

to the experience of the Dharmakaya? We can show<br />

such stages in Buddhism. Have you effective methods<br />

equivalent to them? Please show me your doctrine to<br />

accomplish this."<br />

As Hindus always hold to doctrines of a "high self" <strong>and</strong><br />

such concepts, <strong>and</strong> never allow the no-self teachings of<br />

the Buddha, they will be puzzled to answer such a<br />

challenge.<br />

3. How should one deal with people who claim: "No<br />

need to practice, already Enlightened"? It may be<br />

very difficult to convince them! (See Ch. IV, A.)<br />

This we must carefully explain. What they say is<br />

according to Chan doctrine <strong>and</strong> we cannot say that they<br />

are wrong. But they have not recognized the three<br />

positions. Their statement is from the position of<br />

consequence but made in the position of cause. It is<br />

quite correct for Enlightened ones to speak like this, but<br />

worldlings who have no renunciation, purification, or<br />

sublimation in sunyata—<strong>and</strong> certainly, therefore, no<br />

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