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206 THIS DIFFICULT INDIVIDUAL 14 and 15. Some of your philosophists and fancy thinkers would have called it the spiritual side of England. I undertook to say state of mind. "I can't say my remarks were heeded. I thought I got 'em simple enough. In fact, some people complained that several of the words contained no more than four or five letters, some six. Now I hold that no Catholic has ever been or ever will be puzzled by what I said in those Cantos. I have, however, never asked for any sympathy when misunderstood. I go on, try to make my meaning clear and then clearer, and in the long run, people who listen to me, very few of 'em do, but the members of that small and select minority do know more in the long run than those who listen to say, H. G. (Chubby) Wells and the liberal stooges. What I am getting at is, a friend said to me the other day that he was glad I had the politics I have got but that he didn't understand how I, as a North American United Stateser, could have it. Well, that looks simple to me. Things often do look simple to me. On the Confucian system, very few start right and then go on, start at the roots and move upwards. The pattern often is simple. Whereas, if you start constructing from the twig downwards, you get into a muddle. My politics seem to me simple. My idea of a state or empire is more like a hedgehog or porcupine—chunky and welldefended. I don't cotton to the idea o' my country bein' an octopus, weak in the tentacles and suffering from stomach ulcers and colic gastritis." There were no further broadcasts until January 29, 1942, when Pound persuaded the Italian government to let him return to the air. January 29, 1942: "And then there was my old dad in bed with a broken hip. Lord knows who's going to mend it or when it is going to mend. So I read him a few pages of Aristotle in the Loeb [low, according to the transcription] Classical Library, as diversion to take his mind off it. Also to keep my own work in progress progressing; and because for some time I had in mind the need of comparing the
EZRA POUND 207 terminology of the Chinese and Greek philosophy and comparing that to the terminology of mediaeval Catholic theology. ". . . Every English friend I have got in the world has done his damdest to keep England from making such a golthunderer and abysmal ass of herself. As to my American friends, Senator Borah is dead, not that I knew him much save by letter, but I can still feel his hand on my shoulder just before he was getting into an elevator in the Senate building and I can still hear him saying a couple days before: saying to me, Borah saying to me, 'Well I am sure I don't know what a man like you would find to do here.' ". . . I don't think it is the citizen's duty to whitewash who blundered. I think the United States and even her British allies might do well to keep more in touch with continental European opinion. I don't think anybody is going to whitewash who blundered into the alliance with Russia. I think they will have some crimes that nothing can whitewash. [This was long before the Katyn Forest scandal.] I think an alliance with Stalin's Russia is rotten. I don't think the claim of even going through the motions of inviting [invading, according to transcriber] Russia to slaughter and kill all Eastern Europe is a necessary part of the program. Program of dissent. . . . I don't think that this was necessary. I don't think it is the function, even of the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Army, to dictate the citizen's politics. Not to the point of inviting [invading, according to the transcriber] Soviet Russia, Bolshevik Russia, to kill off the whole east half of Europe and ordering the citizens to approve of it. I don't think it is a lucky move. Even if Mr. Eden hopes to doublecross Russia, which nothing indicates [inducts, according to transcriber] that he does hope . . . If you can stop this Muscovite order, we will let bygones be bygones. We will at least try to see half your argument. Instead of which, Hank Wallace comes up saying—No peace till the world accepts the gold standard. . . . Does look like there was a weakness of mind in some quarters. Whom God will destroy, he first sends to the bughouse." February 3, 1942: "Ezra Pound speaking, and the prospect of a thirty years' war is not one to arouse mirth and hilarity, even in . . . irresponsible
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EZRA POUND 207<br />
terminology of the Chinese and Greek philosophy and comparing<br />
that to the terminology of mediaeval Catholic theology.<br />
". . . Every English friend I have got in the world has done his<br />
damdest to keep England from making such a golthunderer and<br />
abysmal ass of herself. As to my American friends, Senator Borah<br />
is dead, not that I knew him much save by letter, but I can still<br />
feel his hand on my shoulder just before he was getting into an<br />
elevator in the Senate building and I can still hear him saying a<br />
couple days before: saying to me, Borah saying to me, 'Well I am<br />
sure I don't know what a man like you would find to do here.'<br />
". . . I don't think it is the citizen's duty to whitewash who<br />
blundered. I think the United States and even her British allies<br />
might do well to keep more in touch with continental European<br />
opinion. I don't think anybody is going to whitewash who blundered<br />
into the alliance with Russia. I think they will have some<br />
crimes that nothing can whitewash. [This was long before the<br />
Katyn Forest scandal.] I think an alliance with Stalin's Russia is<br />
rotten. I don't think the claim of even going through the motions of<br />
inviting [invading, according to transcriber] Russia to slaughter<br />
and kill all Eastern Europe is a necessary part of the program.<br />
Program of dissent. . . . I don't think that this was necessary. I<br />
don't think it is the function, even of the Commander-in-Chief of<br />
the United States Army, to dictate the citizen's politics. Not to the<br />
point of inviting [invading, according to the transcriber] Soviet<br />
Russia, Bolshevik Russia, to kill off the whole east half of Europe<br />
and ordering the citizens to approve of it. I don't think it is a lucky<br />
move. Even if Mr. Eden hopes to doublecross Russia, which<br />
nothing indicates [inducts, according to transcriber] that he does<br />
hope . . . If you can stop this Muscovite order, we will let bygones<br />
be bygones. We will at least try to see half your argument.<br />
Instead of which, Hank Wallace comes up saying—No peace till<br />
the world accepts the gold standard. . . . Does look like there<br />
was a weakness of mind in some quarters. Whom God will destroy,<br />
he first sends to the bughouse."<br />
February 3, 1942:<br />
"Ezra Pound speaking, and the prospect of a thirty years' war<br />
is not one to arouse mirth and hilarity, even in . . . irresponsible