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182 THIS DIFFICULT INDIVIDUAL which subsequently appeared in Il Mare, Western Review, and Mood: "POUND: What authors should a young Italian writer read if he wants to learn how to write novels? FORD: (Spitting vigorously) Better to think about finding himself a subject. POUND: (Suavely, ignoring Ford's irritation) Well, suppose he has already had the intelligence to read Stendhal and Flaubert? FORD: A different curriculum is needed for each talent. One can learn from Flaubert and from Miss Braddon. In a certain way one can learn as much from a rotten writer as from a great one. POUND: Which of your books would you like to see translated into Italian and in what order? FORD: I don't trust translations; they would leave nothing of my best qualities. Some writers are translatable. POUND: What are the most important qualities in a prose writer? FORD: What does 'prose writer' mean? The Napoleonic Code or the Canticle of Canticles? POUND: Let us say a novelist. FORD: (In agony) Oh Hell! Say philosophical grounding, a knowledge of words' roots, of the meaning of words. POUND: What should a young prose writer do first? FORD: (More and more annoyed at the inquisition) Brush his teeth. POUND: (Ironically calm, with serene magniloquence) In the vast critical output of the illustrious critic now being interviewed (changing tone) . . . , you have praised writer after writer with no apparent distinction (stressing the word 'apparent' nearly with rage). Is there any? FORD: There are authentic writers and imitation writers; there is no difference among the authentic ones. POUND: Stick to literary examples. FORD: Hudson, and Flaubert in Trois Contes. Not all of Flaubert, let us say the Trois Contes. POUND: You have often spoken to me of 'fine talents.' Are some finer than others? FORD: (Tries to evade comparison.)
EZRA POUND 183 POUND: Are there new writers on a level with Henry James and Hudson? FORD: (After qualifying Henry James' talent at some length) Yes. Hemingway, Elizabeth Roberts, Caroline Gordon, George Davis. Read 'The Opening of a Door' and 'Penhelly.' POUND: But as artists? If James is a consummate artist, is Hudson something else? He may be called a pure prose writer, not a novelist. FORD: The difference between weaving and drawing. POUND: Now for the term 'promising.' What makes you think a new writer 'promises'? FORD: The first sentence I read. When two words are put together they produce an overtone. The overtone is the writer's soul. When Stephen Crane wrote, 'The waves are barbarous and abrupt,' he presented simultaneously the sea and the small boat. Waves are not abrupt for a ship. 'Barbarous and abrupt'—onomatopoeic, like 'Poluphloisboion' in Homer (when the Cyclops throws the rock). POUND: (concluding) How many have kept their promises since the English Review was founded twenty-five years ago? FORD: Stephen Reynolds is dead. Ezra has become hangman's assistant to interviewers. . . . I don't know what Wyndham Lewis is doing. Norman Douglas. D. H. Lawrence is dead, but kept on 'till the end. Rebecca West. Among the successors: Virginia Woolf; Joyce in 'The Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man'; the Hughes who wrote 'High Wind in Jamaica,' a dramatist's novel, not a novel writer's." 37 Ford is the only critic who has defined the prose writer. The statement, "When two words are put together they produce an overtone. The overtone is the writer's soul", may be illustrated by quoting the opening of Chapter VI of Ford's novel, Some Do Not (1924): "He let himself in at the heavy door; when he closed it behind him, in the darkness, the heaviness of the door sent long surreptitious whisperings up the great stone stairs." Pound, we may note, is all poet—he seldom writes a complete sentence of prose. Ford is the greatest prose writer of his time because he represents an end product of Western civilization, the
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EZRA POUND 183<br />
POUND: Are there new writers on a level with Henry James and<br />
Hudson?<br />
FORD: (After qualifying Henry James' talent at some length)<br />
Yes. Hemingway, Elizabeth Roberts, Caroline Gordon, George<br />
Davis. Read 'The Opening of a Door' and 'Penhelly.'<br />
POUND: But as artists? If James is a consummate artist, is<br />
Hudson something else? He may be called a pure prose writer, not<br />
a novelist.<br />
FORD: The difference between weaving and drawing.<br />
POUND: Now for the term 'promising.' What makes you think<br />
a new writer 'promises'?<br />
FORD: The first sentence I read. When two words are put together<br />
they produce an overtone. The overtone is the writer's soul.<br />
When Stephen Crane wrote, 'The waves are barbarous and abrupt,'<br />
he presented simultaneously the sea and the small boat. Waves are<br />
not abrupt for a ship. 'Barbarous and abrupt'—onomatopoeic, like<br />
'Poluphloisboion' in Homer (when the Cyclops throws the rock).<br />
POUND: (concluding) How many have kept their promises since<br />
the English Review was founded twenty-five years ago?<br />
FORD: Stephen Reynolds is dead. Ezra has become hangman's<br />
assistant to interviewers. . . . I don't know what Wyndham Lewis<br />
is doing. Norman Douglas. D. H. Lawrence is dead, but kept on<br />
'till the end. Rebecca West. Among the successors: Virginia<br />
Woolf; Joyce in 'The Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man'; the<br />
Hughes who wrote 'High Wind in Jamaica,' a dramatist's novel, not<br />
a novel writer's." 37<br />
Ford is the only critic who has defined the prose writer. The<br />
statement, "When two words are put together they produce an<br />
overtone. The overtone is the writer's soul", may be illustrated by<br />
quoting the opening of Chapter VI of Ford's novel, Some Do<br />
Not (1924):<br />
"He let himself in at the heavy door; when he closed it behind<br />
him, in the darkness, the heaviness of the door sent long surreptitious<br />
whisperings up the great stone stairs."<br />
Pound, we may note, is all poet—he seldom writes a complete<br />
sentence of prose. Ford is the greatest prose writer of his time<br />
because he represents an end product of Western civilization, the