Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management

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KM: RK: KM: RK: All the undulations from the landscape. There’s always something, and here there isn’t. The mountains, both Haleakalä and Mauna Kea are high enough to be above the inversion layer, so the clouds are below and all the convective motions that you have in the inversion layer aren’t there any more. We are above that. And then on top of that you have this very, very stable atmosphere, because of the laminar jet stream, and it doesn’t encounter any kind of obstacles. Just until the wind comes to the mountain, and that leads to a situation where all the images that you take from Mauna Kea are sharper than compared to any other place. They are also better than the images taken in Chile at this new observatories site, which I’ve helped to develop myself. I had a long conversation again with the present Director of this place about the image quality and we compared the data etc. and it turns out that Mauna Kea with regard to that is superior. Northern Chile, the Atacama Desert is better in terms of when you count the number of nights. Practically, they never lose nights because of clouds or anything like that. We have storms and winds, just like the last week or so. They lose practically something like nine percent in Chile because of weather, and here we lose something like thirty percent. But in the end what really counts is the quality of the seeing. That is what has made Astronomy on Mauna Kea so famous, and then of course the development of the most powerful telescopes in the world came to Mauna Kea. As an Astronomer you want to do the best science that you can think of in your creative thinking. To have a chance to work there in Hawai‘i, and to be able to develop a new science direction at an institute like the Institute for Astronomy here, which has a world reputation, is an enormous chance and challenge. So had I been a completely naïve person, not really being involved in politics or so somebody would just say, “That’s a job, I’ll take it,” and I’d come here. I wasn’t like this, I was a very political person, I mentioned to you that I was a County Counselor for the Green Party in Germany for ten years. I was very engaged in a lot of very important cases for the Green Party in Germany. Which are environmental Most of them are environmental but they also have to do with civil rights, for instance, of foreign people coming to our country to work there and not being allowed to do what we believe their rights would have been. Germany in the ‘90s was in a very difficult phase about this. so the Green Party took these things on. It was one of the reasons for the success of the Greens. They were very outspoken about this, and of course about environmental issues. I was of course aware of controversy about Mauna Kea, and one of the things that I did was to start reading books about Hawaii’s History. Well, I don’t know how many people applied for the position here, I think, more than one hundred. Finally, what it came down to, was four were invited for interviews, and you have to give a presentation, and then they check you out by all means. I was here for one week, I had interviews a full day every where on both islands. When I came here, even before then, I was provided with the Master Plan, that was my starting document as far as Mauna Kea was concerned. Of course I read a lot about the history of Hawai‘i, books, very critical books about the history of Hawai‘i. That was more out of curiosity because you want to learn about which culture you fit into. It’s nothing that I grew up in. So before you make such a move, you really want to know what is it and how do people live here, and what are the important points. As far as Mauna Kea is concerned, my major source was the Master Plan document, which is voluminous, two volumes, and the second part has a compilation of practically everything which came up in the hearings, etc. So I was reading through it. There were lots of things that were hard to understand, but I could get a grasp of what the problem is. I sort of had this kind of naïve optimism that if one comes here as an Institute Director and tries to change things on the University and the Institute side, in the way that of course this Institute would always act in honesty and openness and would explain what one wants to do as a Scientist, etc. If one tries to explain that to everybody and tries to be in a dialogue with the Community, that at some stage things probably could work out. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:662

That’s something I deeply believed in. I did and I still do. I was not aware of how heated this controversy really was. I must say about this, I did not have a clue. I don’t blame people that they didn’t tell me because it’s sort of, I think it’s harder to bring this message across until you realize it directly. Clearly there must have been bad things in the past which led to the present situation. I think as long as I have worked in my profession, I’ve never encountered a society or culture which would not like or even love Astronomy as a science. I also deeply believe because a lot of what we talk about when we talk about Mauna Kea, a lot has to do with the culture and cultural contributions to our life as humans and our evolution as humans. One of the reasons why I decided to study Astronomy and not to stay with Physics, which I originally started with, I started to realize how fundamental the contributions of Astronomy are to the life of humans and to our thinking. I think humans generally are all the same. They try to understand the world in which they are living. That’s what they all do, they try to develop this understanding and they normally try to like and to love the world and the environment in which they live. And they also really want to understand what it is. It’s this human curiosity in the stars. I have never seen a human in my life who was not impressed by looking at the sky, and they all ask these same questions. These questions are very, very fundamental in every culture on earth. The questions are, “What is it that we are seeing there Is there something behind it Or what does it mean to us What does it mean to our life as humans in the world” Very deep, fundamental, but very, very simple questions. Astronomy is a science which developed in every culture on earth. Wherever you had culture on earth, in Asia, in South America, Europe etc., the first science which ever emerged, was Astronomy, in every society. We can prove that, it’s a matter of fact. It comes from the simple reason the human curiosity, you look up, see the sky and start to ask these questions. There are always some people who are more serious, and look more carefully in that they try to detect things, and then they start to build up scientific procedures. For instance a navigator and investigating the systematics of the sky, and learning how systematically the objects of the sky move, and that there are some celestial objects which move differently. You see it just by looking carefully, somehow memorizing what is going. Each culture developed different methodologies in doing that, but in the final result, it’s sort of the same. There are always individuals who will do that. That’s always the start of science in each culture. In Greece, people started to develop mathematics in order to quantify the motion of the stars, etc., and Physics developed out of it. But the root of all of that has always been Astronomy. The detections of Astronomy are fundamental, somebody like Galileo building a telescope, looking at the moon, seeing a landscape like you see on earth. Until that time nobody knew that. Then detecting the moons orbiting around Jupiter and understanding that there is something like our own system earth and moon (and concluding there must be a gravitational of force which keeps these objects moving around each other). He could see it with his own naked eyes through a tiny little telescope, the first one a human ever built and looked at the stars. And then from that he could derive that the earth is not in the center of the universe, but is orbiting around the sun and that our solar system has a certain extension. That was a fundamental detection because putting you as a human in a completely different context. The Astronomers in Greece and Egypt who could already prove that the earth is a sphere, and who could measure the earth’s diameter with a very simple experiment. It’s another one of those examples, which widens your horizons as a human tremendously. And in the ‘20s with the telescopes in California people like Hubble, also would detect that even the Milky Way is not the limit. The Milky Way consists of billions of stars, but that there are other Milky Ways which we call galaxies and that this whole universe of galaxies is moving, expanding. We are only a tiny little part of it here on our little planet. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:663

KM:<br />

RK:<br />

KM:<br />

RK:<br />

All the undulations from the landscape.<br />

There’s always something, and here there isn’t. The mountains, both Haleakalä and<br />

<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong> are high enough to be above the inversion layer, so the clouds are below<br />

and all the convective motions that you have in the inversion layer aren’t there any more.<br />

We are above that. And then on top <strong>of</strong> that you have this very, very stable atmosphere,<br />

because <strong>of</strong> the laminar jet stream, and it doesn’t encounter any kind <strong>of</strong> obstacles. Just<br />

until the wind comes to the mountain, and that leads to a situation where all the images<br />

that you take from <strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong> are sharper than compared to any other place. They are<br />

also better than the images taken in Chile at this new observatories site, which I’ve<br />

helped to develop myself. I had a long conversation again with the present Director <strong>of</strong><br />

this place about the image quality and we compared the data etc. and it turns out that<br />

<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong> with regard to that is superior. Northern Chile, the Atacama Desert is better<br />

in terms <strong>of</strong> when you count the number <strong>of</strong> nights. Practically, they never lose nights<br />

because <strong>of</strong> clouds or anything like that. We have storms and winds, just like the last<br />

week or so. They lose practically something like nine percent in Chile because <strong>of</strong><br />

weather, and here we lose something like thirty percent. But in the end what really counts<br />

is the quality <strong>of</strong> the seeing. That is what has made Astronomy on <strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong> so famous,<br />

and then <strong>of</strong> course the development <strong>of</strong> the most powerful telescopes in the world came to<br />

<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>. As an Astronomer you want to do the best science that you can think <strong>of</strong> in<br />

your creative thinking. To have a chance to work there in Hawai‘i, and to be able to<br />

develop a new science direction at an institute like the Institute for Astronomy here, which<br />

has a world reputation, is an enormous chance and challenge. So had I been a<br />

completely naïve person, not really being involved in politics or so somebody would just<br />

say, “That’s a job, I’ll take it,” and I’d come here. I wasn’t like this, I was a very political<br />

person, I mentioned to you that I was a County Counselor for the Green Party in<br />

Germany for ten years. I was very engaged in a lot <strong>of</strong> very important cases for the Green<br />

Party in Germany.<br />

Which are environmental<br />

Most <strong>of</strong> them are environmental but they also have to do with civil rights, for instance, <strong>of</strong><br />

foreign people coming to our country to work there and not being allowed to do what we<br />

believe their rights would have been. Germany in the ‘90s was in a very difficult phase<br />

about this. so the Green Party took these things on. It was one <strong>of</strong> the reasons for the<br />

success <strong>of</strong> the Greens. They were very outspoken about this, and <strong>of</strong> course about<br />

environmental issues. I was <strong>of</strong> course aware <strong>of</strong> controversy about <strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>, and one<br />

<strong>of</strong> the things that I did was to start reading books about Hawaii’s <strong>History</strong>. Well, I don’t<br />

know how many people applied for the position here, I think, more than one hundred.<br />

Finally, what it came down to, was four were invited for interviews, and you have to give<br />

a presentation, and then they check you out by all means. I was here for one week, I had<br />

interviews a full day every where on both islands. When I came here, even before then, I<br />

was provided with the Master Plan, that was my starting document as far as <strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong><br />

was concerned. Of course I read a lot about the history <strong>of</strong> Hawai‘i, books, very critical<br />

books about the history <strong>of</strong> Hawai‘i. That was more out <strong>of</strong> curiosity because you want to<br />

learn about which culture you fit into. It’s nothing that I grew up in. So before you make<br />

such a move, you really want to know what is it and how do people live here, and what<br />

are the important points. As far as <strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong> is concerned, my major source was the<br />

Master Plan document, which is voluminous, two volumes, and the second part has a<br />

compilation <strong>of</strong> practically everything which came up in the hearings, etc. So I was reading<br />

through it. There were lots <strong>of</strong> things that were hard to understand, but I could get a grasp<br />

<strong>of</strong> what the problem is. I sort <strong>of</strong> had this kind <strong>of</strong> naïve optimism that if one comes here as<br />

an Institute Director and tries to change things on the University and the Institute side, in<br />

the way that <strong>of</strong> course this Institute would always act in honesty and openness and would<br />

explain what one wants to do as a Scientist, etc. If one tries to explain that to everybody<br />

and tries to be in a dialogue with the Community, that at some stage things probably<br />

could work out.<br />

<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina”<br />

Kumu Pono Associates LLC<br />

A Collection <strong>of</strong> <strong>Oral</strong> <strong>History</strong> Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:662

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