Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management
Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management
KM: RG: KM: RG: KM: RG: Group: KM: RG: KM: RG: KM: RG: KM: RG: PM: RG: PM: RG: PM: KM: RG: KM: PM: KM: RG: Did you used to see a lot of pueo out here before Not too many, not any more than you see now, I don’t think. How about ‘io ‘Io, that’s the hawk. Yes, used to see quite a few over here. You know, I’m so amazed at your stories of the ‘alalä and how many there were even at your house on the road, Mämalahoa. Yes… Next stop Hänaipoe. [continues drive] This is old koa Koa, yes. One lone survivor where the cows can’t get it, just on the edge. There used to be hundreds of wild pigs up here. Hunting up here, was it strictly ranch or did other people, could any one come in any time they wanted No. The ranch kept them out, the ranch boys could come any time they wanted, as long as they let the office know. That seems to be the way, it was throughout the ranch lands like that. It wasn’t just, “this open, free for all” That’s right. Is there another road just parallel to use, where that fence is, mauka I think that’s the old fence line. Sometimes the old road beds get pretty tricky, and hard to find, especially around Keanakolu. There are so many old paths and roads. Billy Bergin asked me about a stone corral above Doctor’s Pit, up in there. I didn’t know too much about it, I thought it was used by Kukaiau Ranch. I thought that they used to put their cattle in there. As far as the Parker Ranch went, I don’t think they ever used that corral, they used the corral down by the house. Kepä has been up there with Johnny Ah San, that same corral. I hope we still might get a chance to go up there today, somewhere close to there, it’s such a beautiful site. It is, isn’t it. That’s why they were thinking too, that it was older than maybe even the Kuka‘iau Ranch time. Maulua Yes and when was it, Gay James Gay. Had a station over there. It’s really interesting and sad that some stuff maybe we’re never going to find out. The land of Waipunalei, as I understand it, was bought by Carter, and the reason he bought it was it was forest land, and there was water down in there. While on the mauka land, the Keanakolu land that he had, there was no water and they needed the water for their cattle. That’s why he bought Waipunalei. And after he bought it, they built a house there. The fence man and the guy that used to check the cattle and stuff, used to live there. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:634
KM: RG: KM: RG: KM: RG: KM: PM: KM: PM: KM: PM: RG: Group: RG: JG: RG: JG: RG: JG: RG: KM: RG: Do you recall about when he bought that Do you remember hearing No, I don’t. Does around 1904, I think it was before they got Humu‘ula. I think it was just after they got Humu‘ula. They wanted the water for their cattle on Humu‘ula land. Okay. That house, was that the koa house or was it a tongue and groove I think it was tongue and groove. I don’t think it ever, I never heard of it as being koa. Okay. The house that burned down In the eucalyptus grove up there, yes. Yes. I was wondering about that. It’s right above Waipunalei Cabins, there’s a eucalyptus grove sort of stuck between CCC camp and Waipunalei Cabins. It’s more than one house, there’s several foundations in there, I understood from what you heard from Johnny, it had burned down in the 1970s. When we went there, yes. When I was out there with Sonny Keäkealani and Dr. Billy Bergin they said, “No,” they knew about Waipunalei, but had never stayed in those cabins there. So I was wondering if anybody knew a name for that camp, or who was working there I certainly don’t know… [arrives, and stops at Hänaipoe Cabin] Okay, this is Hänaipoe House. This is the house where we used to bring the cattle up here and put them in the holding pen and spend the night here and the cowboys would spend the night. The next morning take the cattle from here out along the road through Kuka‘iau to Keanakolu. So this was the halfway point. Yes, that’s right, this was the halfway. Before they started ranching up here would this have been mämane forest Above here it was mämane forest, yes. There was thick mämane forest, mauka. So what would have been in that little grove of trees back there Those old trees out there were koa. [photos] This is how we used to move the cattle from the other side of the mountain. We had all the good heifers, the heifers we were keeping for breeding, and also the one’s for market. The one’s that were not good for breeding, they were all kept on the other side of the mountain. When we wanted them down here to breed or to market, they would take them to Keanakolu from over there to Keanakolu. Then we’d bring those heifers down here, put them in this little pen here and the next day, take them down by Makahälau, and then around Makahälau, keep them for a little while, and then we’d pick them for breeding purposes or for marketing cattle. And the calves, when we’d wean the calves down there out by Makahälau out, from those big paddocks there, they would all take them down to what we’d call Pä‘auhau, the area directly below here. That’s where we pulled them out and when they were big enough to either breed or fatten, we would take them here to Humu‘ula and that’s where they would grow out, before they came back here to be bred or slaughtered. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:635
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Do you recall about when he bought that Do you remember hearing<br />
No, I don’t.<br />
Does around 1904, I think it was before they got Humu‘ula.<br />
I think it was just after they got Humu‘ula. They wanted the water for their cattle on<br />
Humu‘ula land.<br />
Okay. That house, was that the koa house or was it a tongue and groove<br />
I think it was tongue and groove. I don’t think it ever, I never heard <strong>of</strong> it as being koa.<br />
Okay. The house that burned down<br />
In the eucalyptus grove up there, yes.<br />
Yes.<br />
I was wondering about that. It’s right above Waipunalei Cabins, there’s a eucalyptus<br />
grove sort <strong>of</strong> stuck between CCC camp and Waipunalei Cabins. It’s more than one<br />
house, there’s several foundations in there, I understood from what you heard from<br />
Johnny, it had burned down in the 1970s.<br />
When we went there, yes.<br />
When I was out there with Sonny Keäkealani and Dr. Billy Bergin they said, “No,” they<br />
knew about Waipunalei, but had never stayed in those cabins there. So I was wondering<br />
if anybody knew a name for that camp, or who was working there<br />
I certainly don’t know…<br />
[arrives, and stops at Hänaipoe Cabin]<br />
Okay, this is Hänaipoe House. This is the house where we used to bring the cattle up<br />
here and put them in the holding pen and spend the night here and the cowboys would<br />
spend the night. The next morning take the cattle from here out along the road through<br />
Kuka‘iau to <strong>Kea</strong>nakolu.<br />
So this was the halfway point.<br />
Yes, that’s right, this was the halfway.<br />
Before they started ranching up here would this have been mämane forest<br />
Above here it was mämane forest, yes. There was thick mämane forest, mauka.<br />
So what would have been in that little grove <strong>of</strong> trees back there<br />
Those old trees out there were koa.<br />
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This is how we used to move the cattle from the other side <strong>of</strong> the mountain. We had all<br />
the good heifers, the heifers we were keeping for breeding, and also the one’s for<br />
market. The one’s that were not good for breeding, they were all kept on the other side <strong>of</strong><br />
the mountain. When we wanted them down here to breed or to market, they would take<br />
them to <strong>Kea</strong>nakolu from over there to <strong>Kea</strong>nakolu. Then we’d bring those heifers down<br />
here, put them in this little pen here and the next day, take them down by Makahälau,<br />
and then around Makahälau, keep them for a little while, and then we’d pick them for<br />
breeding purposes or for marketing cattle. And the calves, when we’d wean the calves<br />
down there out by Makahälau out, from those big paddocks there, they would all take<br />
them down to what we’d call Pä‘auhau, the area directly below here. That’s where we<br />
pulled them out and when they were big enough to either breed or fatten, we would take<br />
them here to Humu‘ula and that’s where they would grow out, before they came back<br />
here to be bred or slaughtered.<br />
<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina”<br />
Kumu Pono Associates LLC<br />
A Collection <strong>of</strong> <strong>Oral</strong> <strong>History</strong> Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:635