Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management
Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management
KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: Group: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: Amazing! After that it was all different kind of work those days… ...Now, your job up here with the chicken, the poultry like that and the turkey. How big were the turkeys up here after you fed them. How big were the turkeys About how many pounds do you think your turkeys were Turkeys Yes. About how many pounds up here… What about the turkeys up here at Waiki‘i The turkeys here didn’t grow too big. Well, about twenty, thirty pounds. Tom turkeys… About twenty pounds About twenty, thirty. Out in the wild or after you fed ‘em How big were they outside on the trees. When you had to go hunt ‘um on the trees. How big were the turkeys… They’re fairly thin. Yes. So that’s why, the two men outside, they go out there and they see a flock of turkeys. They count the flock and then they see how many tom turkeys are there. And they leave one tom turkey to ten females. In other words there’s thirty hen turkeys there, they leave three. Three lucky tom turkeys. [laughing] To take care. The rest of them they’ll get aho string with a long bamboo and make loop and they throw it over the tom turkeys. And then when you hold ‘em then they pull on the turkeys off the string, and they tie them up, fold the wing that’s how they bring ‘em down there to the turkey pen. Turkey pen, yes. There was plenty corn so we just let ‘em feed on all the corn they want to eat. Those trees up there that the turkeys were in was that naio, mämane Those kinds of trees. What were the trees that the turkeys were perching in Like that [thinking]… The pines Monterey cypress I think they call that, and eucalyptus trees, mämane trees, naio trees. Yes. Had fence posts. Yes [chuckles]. Some places even had rock pile, that’s how they were sleeping. Yes. You folks used to go up above Pu‘u Anuanu or Pu‘u Lä‘au side Pu‘u Lä‘au section even, to get turkeys Yes, all over. All over. By the time Thanksgiving come around, they’ve been fed several months of corn there, they get pretty fat. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:528
KM: Your work with the birds and it’s really interesting part of the history. You were here in Waiki‘i from ‘32 till around mid ‘36 AL: Yes, end of ‘36. KM: Okay. Now, the work that you learned in school from your teacher, from the FFA, Future Farmers of America AL: Yes. KM: You brought here, it ended up in the late 1940s, you came back to this land and stayed out at Pöhakuloa. Is that right or in the ‘50s AL: Much, much later. KM: In the 1950s I think, early ‘50s right AL: In 1955. Between there I was in Johnson Island… Care of nënë at Pöhakuloa from the 1950s: KM: ...We have to change the tape. Lets come back for a moment. I don’t know if you know this but Mr. Lee almost single handedly, through your dedication and his knowledge of the birds. It’s because of him basically that nënë are still with us today. Mr. Lee’s work from here (Waiki‘i), learning how to handle birds and feed them, your work at Pöhakuloa, you were the nënë man right You brought the nënë back AL: One of the work was, yes… [pauses] KM: He’s a humble guy. AL: …taking care of the nënë flock. But then I go out in the field. The project was small then. They send me out walk in the fields there for a census of wild sheep, wild goat, wild pigs, and the birds too. Like pheasants, chukars, quails. The wildlife biologist he can’t do all the work out in the field, so I was one of those biologist aides. KM: Yes. AL: The Federal Government allotted some money to have two men work on the nënë primarily. They have wildlife biologist, he go out in the field they finally located, there was a wild flock of about twenty birds. And he trapped two, a pair of nënë out there. One pig hunter dog caught one, fortunately they didn’t kill it. The biologist found a stray egg and bought ‘em up to me to hatch it. The flock that was in Pöhakuloa then, came from Mr. Herbert Shipman who had raised a flock there for thirty years. And it was quite in-bred so when we have the wild blood coming in there, and I started to spread it out, we were in business of raising nënë. We could raise quite a few. KM: Okay. We need to take a break just for a minute to change the tape… Group: [break] KM: …Thank you again. I have a quick question, Uncle AhFat since you were raising nënë … AL: Uh-hmm. KM: …and at one point you also were trying to rehabilitate the ‘alalä… AL: Yes. KM: …out at Pöhakuloa. In your folks youth, in your early recollections of this land out here or maybe down into the Ke‘eke‘e section. Did you ever see nënë wild out here back in the ‘30s or anything AL: No, no. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:529
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Amazing!<br />
After that it was all different kind <strong>of</strong> work those days…<br />
...Now, your job up here with the chicken, the poultry like that and the turkey. How big<br />
were the turkeys up here after you fed them. How big were the turkeys About how many<br />
pounds do you think your turkeys were<br />
Turkeys<br />
Yes. About how many pounds up here… What about the turkeys up here at Waiki‘i<br />
The turkeys here didn’t grow too big. Well, about twenty, thirty pounds. Tom turkeys…<br />
About twenty pounds<br />
About twenty, thirty.<br />
Out in the wild or after you fed ‘em How big were they outside on the trees. When you<br />
had to go hunt ‘um on the trees. How big were the turkeys…<br />
They’re fairly thin.<br />
Yes.<br />
So that’s why, the two men outside, they go out there and they see a flock <strong>of</strong> turkeys.<br />
They count the flock and then they see how many tom turkeys are there. And they leave<br />
one tom turkey to ten females. In other words there’s thirty hen turkeys there, they leave<br />
three. Three lucky tom turkeys.<br />
[laughing]<br />
To take care. The rest <strong>of</strong> them they’ll get aho string with a long bamboo and make loop<br />
and they throw it over the tom turkeys. And then when you hold ‘em then they pull on the<br />
turkeys <strong>of</strong>f the string, and they tie them up, fold the wing that’s how they bring ‘em down<br />
there to the turkey pen.<br />
Turkey pen, yes.<br />
There was plenty corn so we just let ‘em feed on all the corn they want to eat.<br />
Those trees up there that the turkeys were in was that naio, mämane Those kinds <strong>of</strong><br />
trees. What were the trees that the turkeys were perching in<br />
Like that [thinking]…<br />
The pines<br />
Monterey cypress I think they call that, and eucalyptus trees, mämane trees, naio trees.<br />
Yes.<br />
Had fence posts.<br />
Yes [chuckles].<br />
Some places even had rock pile, that’s how they were sleeping.<br />
Yes. You folks used to go up above Pu‘u Anuanu or Pu‘u Lä‘au side Pu‘u Lä‘au section<br />
even, to get turkeys<br />
Yes, all over.<br />
All over.<br />
By the time Thanksgiving come around, they’ve been fed several months <strong>of</strong> corn there,<br />
they get pretty fat.<br />
<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina”<br />
Kumu Pono Associates LLC<br />
A Collection <strong>of</strong> <strong>Oral</strong> <strong>History</strong> Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:528