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KM: JH: That’s right. Thank you so much. Thank you for this… [end of interview] Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:462
Hisao Kimura Recollections of the ‘Äina Mauna: Field Interview–Waimea to Ka‘ohe Site Visit June 18, 2002, with Kepä Maly (personal release of interview on January 16, 2003) Hisa Kimura in the Field (Photo No. KPA-3782) On road, driving from the Kimura home towards the Saddle Road intersection: HK : ...One thing you see, Waiki‘i was considered to be an outpost of the Parker Ranch operation. Transportation so poor in the days of the past. KM: Yes. HK: Waiki‘i was another community, we hardly knew those people. They’d come down to Waimea perhaps maybe once or twice a year. KM: Wow! HK: That’s about as close as we can get to them. Now and then if you’re working for the ranch you pass Waiki‘i go up to Humu‘ula, you know. KM: Yes. HK: Take the cowboys up or whatever. So, to know Waiki‘i well, you got to get someone who used to live up there. KM: Yes. Like you’d said, we’ve really contacted some of the right people, old-timers. HK: Yes, they were living there. KM: Like we were saying, each of your recollections, when you bring all these different Oral Histories together, you really get to understand better, how the land was used, and the relationships. When you folks traveled out to Waiki‘i, did you go along this, the newer highway, or did you folks go out past Holoholokü, on the old trail Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:463
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KPA Study HiMK67-OMKM (Appendix A-0
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Cover Photos Hisa Kimura and compan
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George Kinoulu Kahananui, Sr. Recol
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INTRODUCTION This collection of ora
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Interview Methodology Oral history
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Table 1. Background of Primary Inte
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MAUNA KEA ME KA ‘ÄINA MAUNA I KA
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Mauka Wall of Trap for Mauna Kea Ca
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RG: The ranch had three intakes up
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Radcliffe “Rally” and Patricia
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KM: Yes. You’ll love the map that
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Theodore “Teddy” Bell Recollect
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Remains of possible house enclosure
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was also a Professor for Zoology wi
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AhFat and Barbara Lee Recollections
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Reserve [HTS Plat 613]. But what yo
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Recollections of the ‘Äina Mauna
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there. Then I was always interested
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REFERENCES CITED Maly, Kepä 1999 M
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