Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management
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KM: [chuckles] JH: Oh, I tell you. They end up dead in these damn things. KM: Gee! JH: They were terrible. They fly ‘um like that, in the end they crack ‘em up. Then the pilot tell, “Today, you no need go, I go myself.” I asked the other guy, “How come There aren’t none of us up.” So we play cards. He said, “You watch, you’ll see them all.” Pretty soon you hear them, reporting, “Engine trouble, the planes going down out in the channel.” The pilot bails out, crack up one bomber. They wanted to get rid of the bombers, they cracked ‘em all up. KM: They were trying to improve the quality of the equipment by getting rid of the old stuff. JH: Yes. They wanted to get new bombers, so they finally got the B-52s at the Second World War. That was the new ones, that was supposed to replace the damn Air Force planes. KM: Yes. So you came to Waimea, you flew in the military JH: No. We came up here before when I was still in the army, we used to land over at the field there. Then we went back Honolulu, then I got discharged from Schofield. KM: So when you finally moved up here for good, I think, did you say it was around JH: In ‘33, early ‘34. KM: Okay. So you were pau with the army JH: Pau. KM: What did you do when you came to Waimea JH: Waimea, we didn’t work right away. I went to the ranch, see the old man, A.W. Carter. He tells me , “I’ll tell you boy, these haoles they can’t get along with the natives. No.” “Okay, I’ll be back.” We were staying at her (mother’s) aunt’s. Carter said “No,” so I got a job at the County. I was working County at first, for a year. KM: On the roads like that JH: On the roads yeah, fix roads, repair roads. KM: You had already married JH: No. I hadn’t got married, I was working County and I got married. KM: You knew Minnie Nahale‘ä JH: Yes, I knew her from Honolulu. KM: I see. JH: She went to school down there, so I met her down there. KM: Okay. And we’re here with Barbara Phillips-Robertson. Barbara, Minnie is a first cousin JH: First cousin. KM: Okay. BR: Her mother and my mother were sisters. KM: I see. And your mama was a Ka‘apuni, her mother was a Ka‘apuni BR: Yes. She was Mänä. KM: Mänä. One married Nahale‘ä and your mama married Phillips BR: Yes. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:426
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I see. When you came here and A.W. told you, “No we going hire…<br />
He says, “No, we don’t hire haoles, they don’t get along with the natives.” I tell him, “Why,<br />
I get along with the guys in the County.” He said, “No.” They didn’t have no haoles<br />
working on the ranch in those days. It was all Hawaiians, Japanese, Chinese.<br />
Yes. So you got a job working roads with the County. You were staying down at<br />
Wai‘aka<br />
Yes.<br />
That’s your mama’s…<br />
Her aunt’s place.<br />
Her aunt<br />
Yes. My mom and dad’s place at Wai‘aka.<br />
They had an old house, it was an old house in those days.<br />
It’s still there.<br />
Still there yet.<br />
The house is still there<br />
The house is salt water wood. Wood that floated in the ocean, so my grandpa built this<br />
house.<br />
And grandpa’s name was<br />
John Ka‘apuni.<br />
John Ka‘apuni.<br />
That’s the guy that’s buried right behind the house<br />
That’s right, buried on the lot.<br />
The grave is right there.<br />
I see. And is someone, family, still in that house<br />
Yes, his grandson lives there. My sister and I live there, my son lives there, a nephew<br />
and another nephew lives there and then...<br />
Oh, so it’s a larger<br />
It’s like six acres.<br />
It’s a six acre parcel.<br />
Uh-hmm. And we all have pieces.<br />
I see. You were staying there working with the County on roads<br />
You worked with my dad. Was my dad working then<br />
No. He was cantonier with the State (Territory) at that time, and then afterwards he came<br />
to work for Parker Ranch and he moved up to Waiki‘i then. I was still working in the<br />
County job. They worked all year, and come the end <strong>of</strong> the year they don’t work. The<br />
boss tells, “Hey, you got to wait till the Federal Government gives them more money.<br />
First <strong>of</strong> the year, then you work again.” So anyway, the dad, Phillips, came down to<br />
Waimea, stayed at the house. He said, “Boy, you come Waiki‘i stay with us a couple <strong>of</strong><br />
<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina”<br />
Kumu Pono Associates LLC<br />
A Collection <strong>of</strong> <strong>Oral</strong> <strong>History</strong> Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:427