Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management
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AL: Nineteen fifty-five. KM: In ‘55 AL: Yes. KM: Okay. AL: They started the Nënë Project up there, small, from ‘49, there was quite a few birds there. KM: Were those the birds that came from Herbert Shipman AL: Herbert Shipman. Through my poultry business before, I had experience. When I had my pig business in Wai‘anae, one time they bring in a lot of geese inside. Everybody, they’re trying to hatch ‘em, and lot of them they say, “Hey, no can, no more fertile egg anything.” A guy had six, he said, “Hey, you want to try this geese” I said, “Yes.” I got them and I raised the geese. KM: You had success in hatching, the other guys didn’t AL: Yes. KM: Okay. AL: Well, I don’t know, but one thing, Wai‘anae is dry. KM: Yes. AL: Geese, their food is about eighty-five percent vegetation, grass. KM: Yes, I see. AL: So I leased twelve acres for my hog farm, I plant grass and cut, feed ‘em. Maybe that’s what did it. KM: Honohono or what kind grass AL: No, something called fox tail. KM: Fox tail yes, okay. AL: That thing is very good, cattle like it, pigs like it, goats like it, sheep like, I had that there. KM: And geese Geese like it, I guess. AL: Yes. So, I go down there cut ‘em [gestures, height]. KM: A foot high like that. AL: Yes, cut ‘em about there, had a grass chopper. I knew geese eat a lot of grass, so I go down there, we feed ‘em. I think this was probably my success, I don’t know. KM: So from back there, in ‘55 went to Pöhakuloa AL: Yes. KM: But you said they started the Nënë Program, small, in ‘49 AL: Small, that’s all they had. Even when I started. KM: When you started, and remember on this Register Map 613, it shows the Pöhakuloa Shack. That’s where you were AL: Uh-hmm. KM: And the Nënë Program was just a little… AL: Right there [pointing to map]. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:402
KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: KM: AL: Right there, okay. How many nënë were there in 1955 when you went [thinking] I had all those records… Anyway, I went down there you see. The first few months, a year there we just have, “okay you go feed the nënë,” maybe only about an hour and a half. Then you get in your car, you go out in the field and work. What were you doing in the field That’s the kind of study they have. Woodside would tell me, “Come here,” we go through a map in the morning, okay, like you have here now you know. “I want you to go from here to over there.” Was that fence line work or was it out in the field No, no outside. Okay. More census stuff, wildlife in there. Okay, what you see, you marking down what you were seeing Put down yeah. Sheep, goats, wild pigs, and the game birds, you put that down. Yes. Because they’ve already been bringing in the game birds like that Yes, that’s right, and more or less you go by elevation. So, you would start like Pöhakuloa and then go up the mountain Yes. Today you go up there, then you go this way, then you, in the spring months you go up there for check on breeding. See how many nests you can find. Yes, yes. And then in another month and a half or so, you go over the same area and you take census of hatched, young birds. But the nënë had to be done the first hour and a half in the morning before I take the car and go out see. When you go up there, then you have to walk. Usually about eight miles one way, you leave your car. Did you go around… [pointing out locations on map] this is Pöhakuloa, here’s Kalai‘eha, Humu‘ula Sheep Station. So you would go along the old… Yes. If they want that over there. A lot of them is on Mauna Kea. You go up to about say Pu‘u Lä‘au is… Yes, here’s Pu‘u Lä‘au right here [looking at map]. I think about 7,000, maybe. Okay, so you would go up to Pu‘u Lä‘au and then you would walk that elevation Yes, I walked the elevation, you go down, you can more or less tell. The old map they get the contour, where rough and where smooth. You study that, when you go down there you study, you know more what the trees look like. Maybe next time you go down, you go up 2,000 feet or 1,500 feet you go again. Yes, yes. The only problem is in the fog. When you’re in the fog, you don’t know where you’re going. [chuckling] You more or less, like I said, when you go down you watch, you see the kind trees, you go down and you go ‘cause you have to come back to where the car is. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:403
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Right there, okay. How many nënë were there in 1955 when you went<br />
[thinking] I had all those records… Anyway, I went down there you see. The first few<br />
months, a year there we just have, “okay you go feed the nënë,” maybe only about an<br />
hour and a half. Then you get in your car, you go out in the field and work.<br />
What were you doing in the field<br />
That’s the kind <strong>of</strong> study they have. Woodside would tell me, “Come here,” we go through<br />
a map in the morning, okay, like you have here now you know. “I want you to go from<br />
here to over there.”<br />
Was that fence line work or was it out in the field<br />
No, no outside.<br />
Okay.<br />
More census stuff, wildlife in there.<br />
Okay, what you see, you marking down what you were seeing<br />
Put down yeah. Sheep, goats, wild pigs, and the game birds, you put that down.<br />
Yes. Because they’ve already been bringing in the game birds like that<br />
Yes, that’s right, and more or less you go by elevation.<br />
So, you would start like Pöhakuloa and then go up the mountain<br />
Yes. Today you go up there, then you go this way, then you, in the spring months you go<br />
up there for check on breeding. See how many nests you can find.<br />
Yes, yes.<br />
And then in another month and a half or so, you go over the same area and you take<br />
census <strong>of</strong> hatched, young birds. But the nënë had to be done the first hour and a half in<br />
the morning before I take the car and go out see. When you go up there, then you have<br />
to walk. Usually about eight miles one way, you leave your car.<br />
Did you go around… [pointing out locations on map] this is Pöhakuloa, here’s Kalai‘eha,<br />
Humu‘ula Sheep Station. So you would go along the old…<br />
Yes. If they want that over there. A lot <strong>of</strong> them is on <strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>. You go up to about say<br />
Pu‘u Lä‘au is…<br />
Yes, here’s Pu‘u Lä‘au right here [looking at map].<br />
I think about 7,000, maybe.<br />
Okay, so you would go up to Pu‘u Lä‘au and then you would walk that elevation<br />
Yes, I walked the elevation, you go down, you can more or less tell. The old map they get<br />
the contour, where rough and where smooth. You study that, when you go down there<br />
you study, you know more what the trees look like. Maybe next time you go down, you go<br />
up 2,000 feet or 1,500 feet you go again.<br />
Yes, yes.<br />
The only problem is in the fog. When you’re in the fog, you don’t know where you’re<br />
going.<br />
[chuckling]<br />
You more or less, like I said, when you go down you watch, you see the kind trees, you<br />
go down and you go ‘cause you have to come back to where the car is.<br />
<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina”<br />
Kumu Pono Associates LLC<br />
A Collection <strong>of</strong> <strong>Oral</strong> <strong>History</strong> Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:403