Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management

AL: One time I took Woodside inside there he said, “You know what this for” I say, “No.” He
said, “When they go out there, they catch birds or any kind thing. They heat the rocks,
they throw ‘em in the cavity.”
KM: Yes, that’s right.
AL: When they huli the outside, the rocks is cooking from the inside.
KM: That’s right, interesting yeah. David was telling you, he had learned about that or heard
about that
AL: Uh-hmm.
KM: Oh.
AL: I saw the cave there.
KM: Yes. This is interesting now that you mentioned that. This is HTS Plat 701, you actually
may have seen this map back in your days working there. It’s from 1915 and it shows
though, in fact, here’s Pu‘u Kapele, here’s Ahumoa, that you were talking about.
AL: Yes.
KM: Pu‘u Ke‘eke‘e here, so Waiki‘i section is over here, Waiköloa. Here’s the old road that
you folks would travel if you went out here you know, and it later became Saddle Road.
AL: Uh-hmm.
KM: Okay. You come into…here’s the Pöhakuloa section right over here, okay. Do you think
you know and maybe, I realize this is tough, was it near the Pöhakuloa area that you
remember, that cave that you were just describing Near the training area
AL: Yes.
KM: It was. But out on the flow towards the Mauna Loa side
AL: Yes, not too far. In fact, that cave that I told you about, is kind of around facing the Kona
side. People must have stopped to sleep there.
KM: Yes.
AL: Not too far from the Government Road, the Saddle Road now.
KM: Oh, yes. Wow! You folks traveled all of this land out here when you and your wife were
living out here too, yeah You traveled all over
Was assigned permanent to the Nënë program in 1958:
AL: Well, whatever Woodside said. The biologist see, I’m the biologist’s aide. That was
before I was assigned to the Nënë Project. My first three years, I think… ‘55, yeah about
three and a half.
KM: ‘55 to
AL: ‘58.
KM: Middle ‘58.
AL: Then they assigned me to the Nënë Project, permanent.
KM: ‘Ae.
AL: They have no more money before, until Fish & Wildlife Service gave us a little bit money.
Enough money for David Woodside and me for the Nënë Project.
KM:
Interesting. I’m going to just open up one other map as we’re talking about where you
were. This is actually the better map, this is the 1928 map of the Mauna Kea Forest
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