Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management
Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management
KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: LW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: That’s right, spread it out. A beautiful…they didn’t spray it, they just bulldozed the damn stuff. I don’t know whether they tried to burn it. In between Pu‘u ‘Ö‘ö Shipman’s old place, to Pu‘uloa there’s about seven thousand acres of gorse now. Here’s Laumai‘a, here’s Pu‘u ‘Ö‘ö, Pu‘uloa is this section in here [pointing out locations on HTS Plat 613]. Uh-hmm. Hakalau is here Yes, Hakalau is out here. I sprayed up there, I sprayed the refuge. (At Hakalau Refuge, I helped them spray the gorse.) ‘Ae, yes. Volunteered at the refuge and we sprayed a little bit. But that whole way Yes, this whole section here. May I ask you, Johnny AhSan thought…when I was talking with him, that Bryan had told him. You know before when the Sheep Station first got started sort of and really developed under Francis Spencer them, 1850s, ‘60s and then later in the late 1880’s Hackfeld got it and the Haneberg brothers Uh-hmm. I don’t know if you remember hearing about August and Arnin Did you read the story, in the recent article in the Hilo Tribune Yes. My niece sent me that. Wonderful, Rick Warshauer’s brother, Kent. Yes… [goes to get an article] That’s my cousin. Oh. Luscomb. Luscomb, yes… See this is the thing. About the gorse, Johnny was thinking that Bill Bryan them or something, thought that maybe the gorse had come in with the Germans when Haneberg them, when they were doing the sheep. You know how they planted prickly pear cactus, pänini or päpipi to keep the sheep out of areas Like that old stone wall that’s ‘Oma‘oköili side you know like that Uh-hmm. We know, I’ve gone through Haneberg’s journal and I see when he sent the guys out to build the walls. We know when that occurred. Hmm. When I talked with Teddy Bell, when I talked with the Kaniho brothers, Rally Greenwell, he’s 89 now, sharp as a tack, Hisao Kimura is 90, sharp too. None of them remember gorse when they were young. So, it cannot had been that it came in with the Germans. Right, there’s a story that gorse started in Olinda, Maui. Yes. About when I don’t know, a hell of a long time. But I… [thinking] the story Bryan told me or Munro, was that it was introduced as a living fence. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:332
KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: DW: KM: Uh-hmm. That was a fence. You did hear that Yes. You heard that. ‘Cause that’s what Johnny AhSan said. Yes. It was, like the mongoose they thought, it was a god-send, a new way to solve our problems. And the thing, at Olinda, they didn’t get a chance to test it and it already got to…to the Big Island. I don’t know how it got here. You know, it’s interesting. So, you didn’t hear how it came to Hawai‘i Island No, I didn’t…it was intentional though. Yes. You think it was intentional Uh-hmm. The one thing that we hear consistently from guys your age, a little bit older, is that between Pu‘u Huluhulu to Pu‘u ‘Ö‘ö, these are the places that they first started seeing it, maybe in the ‘30s though. We were thinking, if it had been brought in to make a fence line, these natural fence buffers. These küpuna mä should have seen alignments of it somewhere, you know Right, right. And what you were saying too, is Willie Kaniho them, their whole thing just like the fountain grass when it came in from Ka‘üpülehu side coming across, war broke out, no one could go makai of the old Waimea-Kona road right Uh-hmm. Because they were using it for training. And so the grass just went…exploded! But it was at Pu‘u Wa‘awa‘a. Yes, moving out of Pu‘u Wa‘awa‘a, started at Mathewman’s place at Ka‘üpülehu, and moved into Pu‘u Wa‘awa‘a ‘cause Hind didn’t have the stewardship abilities to control it. Rally Greenwell them say just like this, the gorse, the fountain grass, they had guys out there pulling it, wherever they saw it. Yes. But, they didn’t keep it up. Twenty years, the gorse seed remains viable at least twenty years. And I’ve questioned whether it’s spread by sheep in the wool, but I don’t know. The seed isn’t like it’s a real sticky, or you know it’s, the burrs are strong on the gorse right Yes. The sheep… [looking at the map] where’s the fence Saddle Road No, coming in through here, this is the Lai‘eha section. It’s the old trail that comes down here. Uh-hmm. See the old trail I guess the fence line… That’s the district boundary, Waiäkea section like that. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:333
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That’s right, spread it out.<br />
A beautiful…they didn’t spray it, they just bulldozed the damn stuff. I don’t know whether<br />
they tried to burn it.<br />
In between Pu‘u ‘Ö‘ö Shipman’s old place, to Pu‘uloa there’s about seven thousand<br />
acres <strong>of</strong> gorse now. Here’s Laumai‘a, here’s Pu‘u ‘Ö‘ö, Pu‘uloa is this section in here<br />
[pointing out locations on HTS Plat 613].<br />
Uh-hmm. Hakalau is here<br />
Yes, Hakalau is out here.<br />
I sprayed up there, I sprayed the refuge. (At Hakalau Refuge, I helped them spray the<br />
gorse.)<br />
‘Ae, yes.<br />
Volunteered at the refuge and we sprayed a little bit. But that whole way<br />
Yes, this whole section here. May I ask you, Johnny AhSan thought…when I was talking<br />
with him, that Bryan had told him. You know before when the Sheep Station first got<br />
started sort <strong>of</strong> and really developed under Francis Spencer them, 1850s, ‘60s and then<br />
later in the late 1880’s Hackfeld got it and the Haneberg brothers<br />
Uh-hmm.<br />
I don’t know if you remember hearing about August and Arnin<br />
Did you read the story, in the recent article in the Hilo Tribune<br />
Yes.<br />
My niece sent me that.<br />
Wonderful, Rick Warshauer’s brother, Kent.<br />
Yes… [goes to get an article] That’s my cousin.<br />
Oh.<br />
Luscomb.<br />
Luscomb, yes… See this is the thing. About the gorse, Johnny was thinking that Bill<br />
Bryan them or something, thought that maybe the gorse had come in with the Germans<br />
when Haneberg them, when they were doing the sheep. You know how they planted<br />
prickly pear cactus, pänini or päpipi to keep the sheep out <strong>of</strong> areas Like that old stone<br />
wall that’s ‘Oma‘oköili side you know like that<br />
Uh-hmm.<br />
We know, I’ve gone through Haneberg’s journal and I see when he sent the guys out to<br />
build the walls. We know when that occurred.<br />
Hmm.<br />
When I talked with Teddy Bell, when I talked with the Kaniho brothers, Rally Greenwell,<br />
he’s 89 now, sharp as a tack, Hisao Kimura is 90, sharp too. None <strong>of</strong> them remember<br />
gorse when they were young. So, it cannot had been that it came in with the Germans.<br />
Right, there’s a story that gorse started in Olinda, Maui.<br />
Yes. About when<br />
I don’t know, a hell <strong>of</strong> a long time. But I… [thinking] the story Bryan told me or Munro,<br />
was that it was introduced as a living fence.<br />
<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina”<br />
Kumu Pono Associates LLC<br />
A Collection <strong>of</strong> <strong>Oral</strong> <strong>History</strong> Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:332