Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management

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HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: EK: HK: EK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: You know, during our time nobody knew, if the cattle eats the grass, we say that’s good grass. [chuckling] That’s the only test we had. Yes. But, as time went on, before I retired, we send this particular grass or any you know to the lab and take a tissue analysis. And the tissue analysis shows you exactly, you know. What it’s value is Yes. Protein content of this plant and the fiber content and moisture content and all that. We found this fountain grass has hardly any value, nutrients. Although it’s a high fiber, it’s all dry matter. Yes. I understand, you know where Springer mä lived Down Hu‘ehu‘e. Hu‘ehu‘e. Old Judge Mathewman, he had the house area first. He brought the fountain grass in as an ornamental. That’s what they do, in California they use that for landscaping. Yes. At one time we were even thinking of harvesting the grass and selling that seed to the mainland because they said they use that as an ornamental there. But there is one state, I forgot where it was, they said their variety of fountain grass, the seed is not viable. So they were trying to get our seed. They want the seed for ornamental. It’s ornamental for the desert area. Yes, desert. Yes. They use it around the house. Or pampas, like you know it looks like the pampas, the big pampas grass. Ke‘ämoku was the place that you folks, you set up some plots Yes. Did you find anything that could compete well with the fountain grass Yes. What did you find We had the star grass and we had several other varieties…we worked very closely with the soil conservation people. And we brought in various types of grass seed that we planted. The thing of course is, if you’ve got one invasive kind of pest. And if another one comes in, what will happen Would it have had an affect on what’s left of the native you know. Or was it better Yes, right. Then we went further once, we tried, how can we get this grass, it’s so dry To get some moisture into the grass. Called the extension agent, and we got together, we tried fertilizing this little patch. In the pasture of over a thousand acres in the pasture of Ke‘ämoku area, we just put a plot there. Small little plot about ten by ten or so. We fertilized it with sulphur sulphate…I forget what else. Anyway, the basic ingredient was sulphur. The cattle went in there, eat the grass. They loved the grass. If you put sulphur… Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:244

EK: KM: HK: KM: EK: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: EK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: KM: HK: [chuckling] Oh boy, one thousand acres. Yes [chuckling]. But you know the cost factor yet, that’s too expensive [chuckling]. Amazing. Things change and we don’t realize it sometimes, what we do today, you’re going pay the price tomorrow right That’s right. And Ke‘ämoku, the fountain grass is so healthy. One clump of fountain grass is so huge out there. And you can see it’s the most suitable, ideal location. Dry, yeah. Yes. The soil is right for that. You know when the pasture fire goes through that area, that fountain grass burns, but the same grass comes back again. That’s right. The same clump yeah Yes, the same clump come back again. Because fire goes too fast, rapid fire. It doesn’t kill the root system. Inside, yeah. First rainfall comes, it all comes back again. It’s amazing! An interesting thing happened at Pu‘u Wa‘awa‘a Ranch. Right along side the highway they had a range fire. Freddy Rice was managing the ranch there. He calls me up says, “You have some seeds.” I say, “Yes, we always carry seeds,” you know Parker Ranch. Because any time of the year you have good rainfall we just broadcast some seeds. I only get about a bag left, I share that bag. It’s growing over there and I spoke to this guy there, “Hey, how’s that pasture doing Oh, that’s the best thing ever happened at Pu‘u Wa‘awa‘a Ranch.” This is not a grass, it’s a legume, it’s a creeper. Yes, yes I know what you’re talking about. And evidently it’s quite nutritious Nutritionally, it’s perfect. And it’s all on the fence line along the highway. That’s right. It’s a creeper, a vine and it’s a legume, and high protein and well balanced fiber. Good fiber. Yes. And that wasn’t that long ago right Not long ago. Maybe ‘70s or ‘80s Yes. We call that Tinaroo Glycine. They had three different varieties of Glycine, and this was the best, Tinaroo. You know the ideal character of this grass is that it loves dry weather. It grows well in the dry weather, hot climate. The root system is something amazing, that when the seed germinates, the root goes straight down. It’s deep, you know. Oh wow, so it protects itself Yes, protects itself because the root goes down deep, it withstands drought. Seeing it, you think that plant is dead when it comes dry weather, all the cattle eats it right down to the root. The root is not dead. Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina” Kumu Pono Associates LLC A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:245

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You know, during our time nobody knew, if the cattle eats the grass, we say that’s good<br />

grass.<br />

[chuckling]<br />

That’s the only test we had.<br />

Yes.<br />

But, as time went on, before I retired, we send this particular grass or any you know to<br />

the lab and take a tissue analysis. And the tissue analysis shows you exactly, you know.<br />

What it’s value is<br />

Yes. Protein content <strong>of</strong> this plant and the fiber content and moisture content and all that.<br />

We found this fountain grass has hardly any value, nutrients. Although it’s a high fiber, it’s<br />

all dry matter.<br />

Yes. I understand, you know where Springer mä lived<br />

Down Hu‘ehu‘e.<br />

Hu‘ehu‘e. Old Judge Mathewman, he had the house area first. He brought the fountain<br />

grass in as an ornamental.<br />

That’s what they do, in California they use that for landscaping.<br />

Yes. At one time we were even thinking <strong>of</strong> harvesting the grass and selling that seed to<br />

the mainland because they said they use that as an ornamental there. But there is one<br />

state, I forgot where it was, they said their variety <strong>of</strong> fountain grass, the seed is not<br />

viable. So they were trying to get our seed. They want the seed for ornamental. It’s<br />

ornamental for the desert area.<br />

Yes, desert.<br />

Yes.<br />

They use it around the house.<br />

Or pampas, like you know it looks like the pampas, the big pampas grass. Ke‘ämoku was<br />

the place that you folks, you set up some plots<br />

Yes.<br />

Did you find anything that could compete well with the fountain grass<br />

Yes.<br />

What did you find<br />

We had the star grass and we had several other varieties…we worked very closely with<br />

the soil conservation people. And we brought in various types <strong>of</strong> grass seed that we<br />

planted.<br />

The thing <strong>of</strong> course is, if you’ve got one invasive kind <strong>of</strong> pest. And if another one comes<br />

in, what will happen Would it have had an affect on what’s left <strong>of</strong> the native you know.<br />

Or was it better<br />

Yes, right. Then we went further once, we tried, how can we get this grass, it’s so dry To<br />

get some moisture into the grass. Called the extension agent, and we got together, we<br />

tried fertilizing this little patch. In the pasture <strong>of</strong> over a thousand acres in the pasture <strong>of</strong><br />

Ke‘ämoku area, we just put a plot there. Small little plot about ten by ten or so. We<br />

fertilized it with sulphur sulphate…I forget what else. Anyway, the basic ingredient was<br />

sulphur. The cattle went in there, eat the grass. They loved the grass. If you put<br />

sulphur…<br />

<strong>Mauna</strong> <strong>Kea</strong>– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina”<br />

Kumu Pono Associates LLC<br />

A Collection <strong>of</strong> <strong>Oral</strong> <strong>History</strong> Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:244

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