Mauna Kea Oral History Appendix - Office of Mauna Kea Management

KL:
Yes, they only like money, money, kälä [slaps the table]. And us, we catch hell, we so
used to the olden days work, mälia, mälia!
KM: ‘Ae.
KL: They no lose nothing when you mälia.
KM: That’s right.
KL: Even the ‘äina still fresh and rich.
KM: That’s right. When you hana mälie, aloha
KL: Yes, that’s good, aloha. Every year we come down, once a year we get our fifteen,
maybe twenty colts to bring. They always tell you, you mälia, mälia the horse.
KM: Yes.
KL: No hana ‘ino. Not like today, different. You walk up to the horse, the horse shaking
already. There’s something wrong.
KM: That’s right, yeah. People no aloha.
KL: Real sad already.
KM: Hmm. It’s so interesting though, you know just the history, land use. You folks would,
were you still taking sheep sometimes between Kalai‘eha and Waiki‘i side
KL: Sometimes us cowboys we take, or else they use the Filipino gang, like that. They follow
the sheep.
KM: I see. Evidently had plenty wild sheep out there too
KL: Yes, had plenty wild hipa too. That’s how they had more sheep too, they come down for
the laka ones.
KM: Yes. You know out in what’s now the PTA area
KL: Yes.
Heard of heiau on the ‘äina mauna:
KM: Was there any place…did you ever hear about heiau or people, ilina like that
KL: Get heiau.
KM: Get heiau
KL: But I forget where. I know where in those days, the old timers tell, “Hey, no kolohe.”
KM: ‘Ae, no kolohe. You know it’s interesting because each of these places like even.
[pointing to locations on HTS Plat 701] You know, here’s Pu‘u Mau‘u, here’s Pu‘u
Kulua…
KL: Uh-hmm.
KM: Here’s Pu‘u Kapele, Pu‘u Ke‘eke‘e right here or like on the big map. Here’s Pu‘u
Ke‘eke‘e.
KL: Right.
KM: There’s an old mo‘olelo that was written in the 1860s. It says on this pu‘u, “Ke‘eke‘e had
heiau.” I don’t know if you…
KL: Maybe.
KM: Maybe, but you never, they didn’t point it out that you remember
KL: No, they only tell, “mälama.” They give us the hint, so we understand.
Mauna Kea– “Ka Piko Kaulana o ka ‘Äina”
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A Collection of Oral History Interviews (HiMK67-050606) A:183