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Table of Contents For October, 2007 

1. House Passes "Thought Crime" Prevention Bill ........................................................................................... 1 

2. ATS Premium: How Could They Know That The Dogon Mystery. ................................................................ 1 

3. Ron Paul and the death of freespeech .......................................................................................................... 2 

4. A New Light In Our Sky .............................................................................................................................. 2 

5. Absolute Disclosure ..................................................................................................................................... 2 

6. Bush 'planted fake news stories on American TV' ......................................................................................... 3 

7. VIDEO: 911 Mysteries, Part 1: Demolitions .................................................................................................... 3 

8. "We are Gathering" ...................................................................................................................................... 3 

9. North American Union Police in California, have they arrived ...................................................................... 3 

10. On October 27th: 11 massive demonstrations for peace throughout the United States ................................. 4 

11. EFFECTIVE TODAY 07 October, 2007 (Reptillian threads) ............................................................................. 4 

12. a very real conspiracy .................................................................................................................................. 4 

13. NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable ........................................................................... 4 

14. Ex-Mexican prez: Yes, there will be an amero ............................................................................................... 5 

15. Slaves to Credit -- Giving Up Your Life One Loan at a Time. ........................................................................... 5 

16. Remember, Remember the 5th of November: Your Revolution! .................................................................... 7 

17. Ron Paul just reshaped History, as the Conspiracy against him went into Defcon4 ....................................... 7 

18. The Shocking Video Hillary does NOT want you to See!! .............................................................................. 9 

19. I rented Hell House!!!!! .................................................................................................................................. 9 

20. Fireball movie clip (coast to coast). . .......................................................................................................... 

10 

21. Soldier warns "Investigate if I die" then is found dead. ................................................................................ 10 

22. NASA UFO STS-120 External Fuel Tank ...................................................................................................... 10 

23. December 23rd, 2007 *Secret Illuminati Timeline* ....................................................................................... 10 

24. How to shapeshift yourself ......................................................................................................................... 10 

25. Interaction with the Spirit World .................................................................................................................. 11 

26. Anomaly on Mars: weird object .................................................................................................................. 12 

27. Obscure Comet Brightens Suddenly ......................................................................................................... 12 

28. FEMA Workers Masquerade As Reporters, Fakes News Conference .......................................................... 13 

29. "The Lincoln County Witch. "..................................................................................................................... 

13 

30. High-Definition Video of Earth Shot From Space ........................................................................................ 13 

31. Chemtrails: Debunking the Peristent Contrail myth ..................................................................................... 13 

32. When A Conspiracy Shakes Up Your Life ................................................................................................... 14 

33. Our 3 dimensions will become 4 and time goes bye bye............................................................................. 

14 

34. Australia to build HAARP facility. ................................................................................................................ 14 

35. Interpol need help to identify this man *Sex offender* [UPDATE] ................................................................ 16 

36. Police Catch Man Setting Fire In SoCal!! ..................................................................................................... 16 

37. Burma: Thousands dead in massacre of the monks dumped in the jungle ................................................. 16

38. ATS led to one of the Biggest Conspiracies Ever ........................................................................................ 16 

39. Mysterious lights spark UFO scare ............................................................................................................. 18 

40. Alien Creatures In Space! ........................................................................................................................... 18 

41. Next cabal phase: use alien tech against us............................................................................................... 

18 

42. White House Leak: Cheney's Plan for Iran Attack Starts With Israeli Missile Strike ...................................... 20 

43. Aliens Are Real-Naturally! So Why The Fuss And Skepticism About UFO’s .............................................. 20 

44. American Conspiracy: Why Does the World Hate Us - Is The Hate Planned or Earned ............................ 22 

45. All UK Telephone Calls and Text Messages to be Logged ........................................................................... 23 

46. Columbia brought down by a UFO weapon .............................................................................................. 24 

47. Paris latest Ufo sighting was real with Nasa Proof ...................................................................................... 24 

48. -- A Look at the SIMPLE MIND of the Debunker --........................................................................................ 

24 

49. Graham Hancock Interview - ATS MIX Show 52.......................................................................................... 

25 

50. Please help, my mom is in a coverup/conspiracy ....................................................................................... 25 

51. Reptilian Shapeshifter Hysteria! ................................................................................................................. 26 

52. UFOs Seen Streaking Across The Moon! .................................................................................................... 27 

53. aliens are NOT real ..................................................................................................................................... 27 

54. An Animated Gif you can manipulate with your mind. ................................................................................. 27 

55. Nationwide Revolt Against Dangerous Vaccines Accelerates ..................................................................... 27 

56. END The Alex Jones GAME ....................................................................................................................... 27 

57. Watch Springer On Discovery Channel's "Alien Hot Spots" Documentary .................................................. 29 

58. UFO question asked at Democratic Debate Tonight ................................................................................... 29 

59. Crashed drug plane owned by US Government ........................................................................................ 30 

60. Tax Protester Ed Brown Being Gassed and Tortured In Prison ................................................................... 30 

61. Russians employed at Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor suddenly depart in a body, according to local Ar ...... 30 

62. The Hologram Theory is dead .................................................................................................................... 30 

63. MSNBC report on Border incursion Oct 18 2007 ......................................................................................... 31 

64. Chicago Police Executes Man On Video No Charges ................................................................................. 31 

65. We live in a Zero Tolerance Society ............................................................................................................ 31 

66. Most Important Video You Will Ever See. . . Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis ................................ 32 

67. SSSC "Darkness Hold Me"......................................................................................................................... 

33 

68. FBI Puts Antiwar Protesters on Criminal Database; Canada Uses It To Ban Protesters From Entry ............. 35 

69. Conspiracy against the black race ............................................................................................................ 35 

70. Alex Jones' ENDGAME just released on GVID!! .......................................................................................... 36 

71. Aristotle Set Back Science For Around 2,000 Years .................................................................................... 36 

72. Police Can Disable New Cars on Demand ................................................................................................... 37 

73. High-Fructose Corn Syrup -- Another Poison in Common Foods ................................................................ 37 

74. Wow, has anyone ever seen these ........................................................................................................... 38 

75. Strange Object in Bat Photo ....................................................................................................................... 38

House Passes "Thought Crime" 

Prevention Bill 

Created by: SimiusDei on October 26, flags: 62, replies: 207 

(links removed, visit the thread for external references) 

"The definition of violent radicalization uses vague 

language to define this term of promoting any belief 

system that the government considers to be an 

extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn’t specifically 

define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely 

up to the interpretation of the government. 

Considering how much the government has done to 

destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron 

Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief 

system. "(visit the link for the full news article) 

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Link to thread: . . . thread311314/pg1 

ATS Premium: How Could They 

Know That The Dogon 

Mystery. 

Created by: NGC2736 on October 12, flags: 58, replies: 85 

ATS Premium article by member NGC2736 

October 12, 2007 

About sixty years ago, two French anthropologists 

ventured into the wilds of west Africa to study the 

natives there. They found the Dogon People along the 

the great Bandiagara Clffs. A people only a few steps 

past the stone age. 

But they also recorded a mystery. In these people that 

lived in what was then great isolation, they found 

knowledge of the planets, and how they move. 

Knowledge of the stars that need a telescope to see. 

Knowledge that wasn't confirmed until 1970! 

How did these people that call themselves the conduit 

between Earth and Heaven know what could not be 

seen with the naked eye How could they hold in their 

religion ideas said to be thousands of years old, when 

the western world was just finding these things 

Or maybe a better question might be to ask, who told 

them the mysteries of the heavens 

In the 1938s two French anthropologists, Marcel 

Griaule and Germain Dieterlen, went into the wilds of 

west Africa to study the indigenous tribes. In Mali they 

came across a tribe called the Dogon, living near the 

present day city of Bandiagara, in the Mopti region. 

Living as quasi-cliff dwellers, much like the Anasazi of 

North America, they were an athropological gold mine. 

In their past the slavers had came, the Fulani, the 

Ghana, the Mossi, even the Muslims. But the Dogon 

had endured along the foot of the great Bandiagara 

Cliffs. Their art tells of a sensitive people, their lives 

bound in spirituality. In wood and sometimes iron, they 

speak of life and death, hope and beauty. Religion, 

then as now, is as much a part of their lives as the blue 

of the sky and the hardness of the earth. Their oral 

history is their religion, and in it's richness lies the 

mystery. 

The things told to these two outsiders back in the 

1930s were astounding, especially for that day and 

age, and from that remote a people. Their oral history 

told of the correct motion of the near planets, and of 

the moons of Jupiter. They spoke of the rings of 

Saturn, and of the star Sirius. How could they know 

that it had an invisible companion, a fact scarcely 

known to most Europians even then How could they 

know it's true orbital length of 50 years And how 

could they have all this in their thousands year old oral 

history 

Because, they said, these things had been told to 

them by the Nommos, beings that looked something 

like fish, and came to earth in a spinning ship that 

landed with great noise. The Nommos said they were 

from another star in the Sirius system, neither the one 

they could see in the night sky, nor the companion. 

The Dogon called the craft an "ark", and thought these 

beings were gods. And so they must have seemed, 

for the oral history of the Dogon was said to be over 

5000 years old. A time when godswere common. 

But even then the western world knew most of these 

things. Maybe not widely, but known nonetheless. 

Could these backward people have heard of these 

strange things and incorperated them into their myths 

in the near past Could this just be a case where 

science became myth overnight to a group that were 

easily swayed Was this akin to the "cargo cults" that 

came later in other places 

Well, there was one more thing. The Nommos had 

said that their home was the third star system of Sirius. 

Science has found Sirius B, and photographed it in 

1970. As early as the 1840s it had been suspected, 

due to the wobble of Sirius A. Now flash forward to 

1995. Daniel Benest and J. L. Duvent publish a paper 

in the prestigous journal "Astronomy and Astrophysics" 

called "Is Sirius a Triple Star" 

According to this realitively new research, the wobble 

of Sirius A cannot be accounted for by Sirius B alone, 

and there must be another star in the system. Those 

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who say that oral histories are not reliable, and that 

there must have been cross contamination, will have a 

very hard time explaing this if it is found to be true by 

our new breed of telescopes. Long before anyone 

dreamed of a Sirius C, the Dogon told of a spinning 

ship that feel to earth from the third star of the Sirius 

system. 

Either it's true, or the Dogon have a knack for 

guessing that is way above average. You decide, and 

while you do, watch the science world for news of 

Sirius C, home star of the Nommos. 

Related Links: 



[edit on 14-10-2007 by sanctum] 

[edit on 10-14-2007 by William One Sac] 


Ron Paul and the death of 

freespeech 

Created by: titorite on October 18, flags: 58, replies: 112 

The need for freespeech is fundamental to a free 

soceity. A nation can lose its guns, it social programs, 

its army, but as long as it retains its right to 

communicate freely it will remain free. This is 

essentail when it comes to Political speech. 

At first I thought this was fluke. It is not. Whatever 

Ron Paul had to say for a 9 second response was so 

poweful that some force has gone across the net and 

removed his words. 6 minutes into this interview a 

question is asked but the response is edited out with a 

D. O. D graphic in its place. 

(isit the thread to view linked videos) 

And in this video it is simply choped out at 6 minutes. 


If you can find what he said please post it. I am not 

sure if you know about the Strategic Communication 

Laboratory but it is a real entity. www. scl. cc If you 

are an american you should be up in arms. Once we 

lose free speech the camps are next. 

[edit on 18-10-2007 by titorite] 


A New Light In Our Sky 

Created by: Vikturtle on October 29, flags: 56, replies: 185 


"Some have suggested that the reason for Comet 

Holmes sudden brightening means it was impacted by 

an asteroid or that NASA shot an explosive device into 

it as they did with the Tempel Comet in 2005. Many 

are questioning the coincidence of the Space Shuttle 

launch ocurring within hours of the sudden change in 

appearance of the comet. And others have implied 

that sending a comet into the earth, and guiding it as 

was practiced with Comet Tempel, would achieve the 

New World Order agenda of depopulation without the 

messiness of a nuclear bomb. 

"(visit the link for the full news article) 


Absolute Disclosure 

Created by: aceace on October 24, flags: 48, replies: 202 

Press release (I assume its ok to post this in full) 

" 

Dear Colleague, 

My name is Cheryll Jones, former news anchor at 

CNN. 

I have a news alert I think you, as a member of fourth 

estate in these very troubled times, will appreciate. 

Think of it as a “heads up” on what might become one 

of the most important stories of the coming months. 

At 9:00 AM, Tuesday, October 30, 2007, at the 

National Press Club in Washington DC, The Enterprise 

Mission – a private research and public policy group – 

will hold a press briefing in the NPC Zenger Room. 

The subject: Why is NASA Determined to Launch 

Space Shuttle “Discovery” October 23rd, Despite 

NASA Engineering and Safety Center Warnings NOT 

to Launch 

Has NASA Learned NOTHING from the Previous 

Schedule-Driven Disasters of Challenger and 

Columbia 

Are Classified NASA Lunar Findings Secretly 

Pressuring the Aging Shuttle Program to Completion 

by 2010, to Make Way for “Constellation” -- and the 

New “Space Race” to the Moon " 


[edit on 24-10-2007 by elevatedone] 

[edit on 24-10-2007 by elevatedone] 



Bush 'planted fake news 

stories on American TV' 

Created by: jhill76 on October 15, flags: 45, replies: 63 

FTA: 

Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of 

American television stations for broadcasting items 

produced by the Bush administration and major 

corporations, and passing them off as normal news. 

Some of the fake news segments talked up success in 

the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies' products. " 


This is something new, never heard of this one before. 

More evidence, showing the Administrations clever 

tactics on American minds. 

--------------------------------- 

replaced quote with 'ex' tags 

[edit on 15/10/07 by masqua] 


VIDEO: 911 Mysteries, Part 1: 

Demolitions 

Created by: SkepticOverlord on October 25, flags: 45, 

replies: 82 

911 MYSTERIES is a careful deconstruction of the 

official story set alongside clean, clear science. It is 

ninety-minutes of pure demolition evidence and 

analysis, laced with eye-opening witness testimonials. 

The 9/11 picture is not one of politics or nationalism or 

loyalty, but one of strict and simple physics: How do 

you get a 10-second 110-story pancake collapse 

This is the film that might actually reach out to 

mainstream America. No agenda. No finger-pointing. 

Just the facts and "mysteries. " Look at that. Think 

about this. It is a story of people: Willie Rodriguez's 

recollection of strange noises on the 34th floor. Who 

was up there bumping around Scott Forbes' similar 

story just weeks before the towers fell. 

This is also the story of blasting itself: hnow shaped 

charges are placed to slice through steel beams, 

controlling the way a building falls. 


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This is part of the ATS Premium Video Collection 

Visit the (links removed, visit the thread for external 

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"We are Gathering" 

Created by: menguard on October 22, flags: 42, replies: 559 

I would like to know how many have recieved this 

message 

I would like to know what you think about this internal 

stimuli 

What do you think it means 

And what will it portray in the future 

I personally recieved this message four or more 

months ago. 

I would like to hear those explanations by people who 

have also had this Internal Stimuli go off in there 

(neurological-net transmissions). 

It was like a (Group transference) of people sending 

out this call all into ONE VOICE. 


North American Union Police 

in California, have they 

arrived 

Created by: ModernAcademia on October 2, flags: 41, 

replies: 120 

Tell me people, what in the world is 

this 

EVERYONE FLAG THIS THREAD IMMEDIATELY! 

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLEEEE 


If they are not the NAU Police then why do they have 

an North American Patch on their uniform 


IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Los Angeles CA, Protesters in 

Lynnwood CA; Never before has this occurred. 

Minutemen and Mexican Nationals join forces to 

condemn former Mexican president Fox. Secret 

unmarked police showed up with North American 

Union patches on their shoulders and 9MM hand guns 

on their sides 

How come I can't find anything about them on the 

internet 


On October 27th: 11 massive 

demonstrations for peace 

throughout the United States 

Created by: Copernicus on October 25, flags: 41, replies: 

112 


"On Saturday, October 27th there will be 11 massive 

demonstrations for peace throughout the United 

States. In Boston, Chicago, Jonesborough, 

Tennessee, Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York City, 

Orlando, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, 

and Seattle, people from all walks of life will join 

together to express their anti-war sentiments and to 

call for an immediate end to the conflict in Iraq. "(visit 

the link for the full news article) 


EFFECTIVE TODAY 07 October, 

2007 (Reptillian threads) 

Created by: Springer on October 7, flags: 37, replies: 174 

After much consideration and thought it has become 

evident that the "Reptilian Shape Shifter" craze has 

got out of hand in the Aliens/UFO Forum here on ATS. 

Since Reptilians are not technically "Aliens", they are 

certainly not UFOs and since the vast majority (if not 

all) of the "video evidence" is nothing more than lights 

reflecting on the glossy, spherical shape of the human 

eye and creating an elongated shadow that when 

viewed on a terribly pixelated, low resolution video 

appear to be something they are not, it is now ATS 

POLICY that these threads be started in the Skunk 

Works Forum. 

The Skunk Works Forum was created for exactly these 

sort of theories and or speculations. 

John Rhodes, one of our up and coming Conspiracy 

Masters, is working on the definitive series which will 

illustrate exactly how the light plays its trick when 

video taping a person in front of certain lighting 

configurations. I hope that work is coming sooner 

rather than later. :) 

In any case we have received many requests for 

something to be done and there is even a thread about 

the dissatisfaction with the situation as it currently 

exists so the new policy will take effect today. 

Springer. . . 

--------------------------- 

Title edit for topic clarification 



a very real conspiracy 

Created by: captainplanet on October 16, flags: 35, replies: 

74 

I found this video of Naomi Wolf on youtub: 

I don’t care if you believe in some nwo, illuminati, 

military take over, or none of it at all. You should all be 

able to agree with her. If you are an American than 

you owe it to yourself to take the time to watch and 

understand this video, because this is the REAL 

conspiracy. Freedom is a very rare thing, don’t be 

distracted from it. 


NIST Admits Total Collapse Of 

Twin Towers Unexplainable 

Created by: Black_Fox on October 16, flags: 34, replies: 

463 

Well I guess welcome to the club. 

Outside of Popular Mechanics :@@: nobody can 

really explain it. 

With all the possibilties being tried and debunked,is a 

controlled demolition becoming more likely 

"(PrisonPlanet)-The National Institute for Standards 

and Technology has been forced to admit that the total 

free-fall collapse of the twin towers cannot be 

explained after an exhaustive scientific study, implicitly 

acknowledging that controlled demolition is the only 

means by which the buildings could have come down. 

Full story here 



Ex-Mexican prez: Yes, there 

will be an amero 

Created by: SonicInfinity on October 9, flags: 33, replies: 

53 


"In an interview last night on CNN's "Larry King Live," 

the former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox, confirmed 

the existence of a government plan to create the 

amero as a new regional currency to replace the U. S. 

dollar, the Canadian dollar and the Mexican Peso. 

It possibly was the first time a leader of Mexico, 

Canada or the U. S. openly confirmed a plan to create 

a regional currency. . . . "(visit the link for the full news 

article) 


Slaves to Credit -- Giving Up 

Your Life One Loan at a Time. 


Buying a home. 

Renting a home. 

Buying a car. 

Renting a car. 

Leasing a car. 

Getting a job. 

Getting electricity. 

Getting water. 

Getting cable. 

Getting telephone. 

Getting a checking account. 

Getting a savings account. 

The above list is just a sample of the things which 

require credit checks before "approval". 

In just over a decade, the American public has been 

virtually enslaved by credit. This day in age, you can't 

so much as get the power turned on in your home 

without a credit check. That is, if your credit score is 

good enough for you to have a home. 

Of course, you can always pay cash right Well, 

actually no, you can't. In some cases, businesses are 

actually turning away from cash sales in favor of credit 

sales. Why Because they stand to make a LOT more 

money off of you if you sign your name to a 

compounding interest contract. Then, not only do you 

pay them monthly, but if you run into a bit of hardship 

for a couple of months, they will take what they are 

"loaning" you right back and suck someone else into 

your old "contract". Even if this weren't the case, how 

many of you have an extra 100,000 in cash laying 

around the house to pay for a home 

But hey, the credit system is all good as long as you 

keep your credit score above a 725 (or what's 

considered the "good" range) right Sure, I suppose 

it's okay then. However, keeping your credit score in 

that range is a lot easier said than done. Let me tell 

you a story. 

I started building my credit from the day I turned 18. It 

certainly wasn't hard since I started receiving my credit 

card solicitations about 6 months beforehand. I tried 

to be smart with my credit. I would use my cards to 

buy only enough that I could pay off each month. And 

I did this for 4 years, never missing a payment. 

Needless to say, my credit score was PERFECT. 

I was in pretty good shape. A 22 year old kid with 

PERFECT credit and almost ZERO debt. Then, it 

happened. The job I was working at was put out of 

business by the evil empire (ie: Wal-mart). This just so 

happened right after I placed a 600. 00 charge on my 

card. But hey, it's no big deal right Just get another 

job and get your payments sent in. And that's exactly 

what I set out to do. Unfortunately, it seemed that Walmart 

was responsible for putting a few other 

businesses under as well and sending too many 

people out into the already oversaturated job market. 

Skip ahead 3 months. 

I have looked and looked and looked and NOTHING. 

It took every bit of money I could scrape together and 

borrow from friends/family to be able to pay my rent 

and keep a bit of food on the table, not to mention the 

other bills. So, needless to say, my credit card 

payments fell behind. It was then that I noticed 

something amazing. 

I went to the bank to apply for a small personal loan to 

keep me going until I could find another job. I went 

into the bank thinking I was a solid approval. After all, 

I had spent the past 4 years getting my credit score to 

perfect. 

Imagine my surprise when my application came back 

denied. I was in shock. I asked why I was turned 

down and was told that my credit score was too low. I 

didn't see how that could POSSIBLY be right. 

However, the officer showed me the report that came 

back and my score was now a 610 (minimum required 

for the loan without a cosigner as 675). 

I couldn't freaking believe it. I had busted my arse for 

the last 4 years building up my credit score and in 3 


months time I lost almost every stitch of effort I had put 

into building my credit. And for what ONE LOUSY 

FREAKING CREDIT CARD AND A BAD LUCK 

STREAK. 

In 3 months time, I went from being a 22 year old kid 

that could get a 250k house on his own to a 22 year 

old kid that couldn't even get his power turned on 

without a deposit. 

And guess what It has only gotten worse since then. 

I spent the next 6 months of my life trying to get my 

score back up. I got a job and paid off my debt with 

my first 3 paychecks. Then, I went back to my old 

strategy of buying small and paying off each month 

and my credit score seemed to stay in the 600 range 

hell. No matter what I did, I couldn't seem to get the 

score back up. And guess what I STILL haven't 

gotten the score back up. As a matter of fact, as a 

result of the interest rates on my card 

SKYROCKETING as a result of that 3 months, my 

credit score has actually DROPPED because my 

having to make payments a bit late from time to time. 

Naturally, during this time I contemplated just dropping 

the card and going to cash only. However, this doesn't 

seem to be an option since I am not rich and can't 

afford to pay EVERYTHING in cash. So, here I 

remain, trapped in credit hell/limbo. And for what 3 

short months of hardship after 4 years of consistency. 

So, what does my credit score say about me All it 

says about me is that I have paid what I owe on time 

for all but a short 3 months several years ago. 

Yet, because of that 3 months oh so long ago, I can no 

longer get ANYTHING that requires credit without 

either a cosigner or a HUGE down payment. 

You want to know the really sad part 

My credit score is better than 72% of the country. 

That's right, I'm in the upper echelons of the credit 

world (based on a system of low/medium/high). Yet, 

for all intents and purposes, my credit SUCKS! 

Guess what else Those 3 months are also 

responsible for CONSTANT financial hardship since 

that time. So, in effect, that short time allowed the 

credit demons to put a hurtin on me that I still haven't 

recovered from. My bills are higher (in most cases), I 

have deposits that I can't afford, If I DO get approved 

for a necessity that payments must be made on, my 

interest rates almost DOUBLE the cost of the item(s) 

and I have bank fees that I would not have if my credit 

score was higher. I think it would be a loose estimate 

to say that my monthly expenses are 70% higher now 

that they would have been had it not been for that 3 

months. 

I have been very effectively enslaved by the credit 

mafia. I played by the rules and they still burnt me the 

first chance they got and they have been sticking it to 

me since then. And I think it's pretty safe to say that 

they are doing the same to you. 

Does anyone else remember that time (not so long 

ago) when your name and reputation factored into 

your ability to rent/own a home and car Now, it 

doesn't matter how well known you are. The owner of 

the Chrysler dealership could have raised you himself, 

yet, you aren't getting that car unless that beacon 

score is high enough to satisfy the loan officers. 

3 little numbers have taken almost complete control of 

our lifes, most especially the necessities of life. 

We all need a home and, if you work, a mode of 

transportation. Yet, you aren't getting either of these 

unless you have an 800 beacon score of a hell of a 

down payment. Not to mention all the little things 

(power, phone, cable) that go hand in hand with 

owning/renting a home. 

I feel it's pretty safe to say that the conspiracy of credit 

has been carried out VERY successfully. 

There is no avoiding it. Unless you want to live on the 

streets and risk jail time, harassment and/or death. 

Hell, you aren't even free to be self contained. As 

another member so greatly put it the other day, even if 

you were to buy your own land, build your house with 

your bare hands and provide your own electricity, food 

and water, you STILL cannot live without credit and/or 

money. Why Because you have to pay the taxes on 

that property or else the government swoops down 

and takes your land from you. And, this day in age, 

money (in any shape or form) goes hand in hand with 

credit. 

So how exactly do we live in a "free" country again I 

suppose we are free to live our lives as we choose, 

provided we are either rich of have a credit score of 

800 or more. If you don't fall into either of those 

categories, then there is a 99% chance you too are a 

slave to credit. 

And it's a hole so damn deep most of us will NEVER 

get out. 

Jasn 



Remember, Remember the 

5th of November: Your 

Revolution! 

Created by: SkepticOverlord on October 28, flags: 32, 

replies: 74 

A new third "teaser" video has been added, as well as 

links to the previous two teasers. 

The revolution is near. 


Ron Paul just reshaped 

History, as the Conspiracy 

against him went into 

Defcon4 

Created by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss on October 15, flags: 31, 

replies: 83 

Read it and weep, Establishment stooges, sheep & 

whipping-boys: Today Ron Paul's campaign reached 

1002 Meetup. com activism groups. In angst, a Fox 

news affiliate released report stating that Ron Paul's 

campaign success is nothing but a manufactured 

"astroturf" conspiracy, but the report is itself part of a 

widespread conspiracy to undermine Ron Paul and 

what's best for the American People. 

NOTE TO MODS: This is meant to underscore the 

conspiracy to trample on Ron Paul and the American 

Republic, not to "debate politics", so I respectfully 

hope it can stay in "Political Conspiracies". 

Saturday, Ron Paul's campaign reached 1002 Meetup. 

com activism groups. In contrast, all other active 

candidates combined equal only 266 total activism 

groups, going by Meetup. com numbers. It's also 

worth noting that the entire Politics & Activism category 

has only 3,272 total groups. As of today, Ron is 

pushing towards dominating nearly 1/3 of the entire 

Meetup. com "Politics & Activism" spectrum, with 

nearly 4 times the amount of groups of all other 

candidates combined. This was achieved in almost 

precisely 8 months, which, coupled with the rise of 

Internet Democracy, is a historical milestone in 

grassroots campaign rallying. 

Despite this, amongst many other similar successes 

and trends, the Establishment's media stranglehold 

continues to pretend and parrot the idea that Ron Paul 

"can't possibly win" while even resorting to smear 

tactics wherever possible. The goal is to undermine 

any hopes and aspirations of “democracy” in their 

controlled dominion known as our morbid reality of lies 

and distortions. The day before the 1000 Meetup 

mark was made, a Fox News affiliated outlet released 

a report stating that the entire façade of the Ron Paul 

phenomenon is a fictional illusion perpetrated by the 

Ron Paul Campaign office. 

Leading up to this quarter, Ron Paul already had 930 

Meetup groups heading into October. He also 

received $5. 3 million in campaign donations last 

quarter, with $1. 3M coming in the final 7 days. Ron 

Paul's 114 percent increase is in stark contrast to the 

decrease suffered by Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and 

John McCain. Romney's fundraising was down 29 

percent. Giuliani was down 40 percent. McCain was 

down 55 percent. It should be noted that something 

like 99% of those donations from real American's as 

opposed to the multi-national mega-conglomerates 

and similar special interest groups funding those other 

stooges of American Imperialism (well all but maybe 2 

are anyways). 

This is mostly the buildup to the CNBC Michigan TV 

Debate early last week. Other notable items of 

interest include: 

He has won with 1st place in 17 of 36 total Straw Polls. 

He had won 15 before the CNBC Debate, and even 

placed 2nd in 6 Straw Polls. He’s the clear leader in 

Straw Polls, while even gaining momentum by winning 

7 of the last 8. 

Vegas Gambling Odds: Ron Paul entered the election 

with 200-1 odds. During the summer his odds 

dropped to 16-1, and then to 8-1 within weeks. The 

odds are now at 6-1, above the multi-millionaire Mitt 

Romney. Gambling911. com, who has been following 

the 2008 Presidential Election, and the Ron Paul 

phenomenon closely all-year, predicts that he'll soon 

reach 4-1 odds. 

In another article, they predict that Paul is the only 

GOP candidate who can beat Hillary in a great 

analysis: 

49. 5% of Q3 military donations to GOP candidates 

went to Ron Paul. 

web stats show that entering October the www. 

RonPaul2008. com website pulled in more activity than 

all other major contenders combined. 

(visit the thread to view linked images) 

These same trends can be found at places like 

Youtube. com, where Ron Paul clearly dominates the 

playing field by leaps and bounds. Consider how he 

currently has over 32,000 subcribers and over 4. 5M 


channel views. You can compare that to: 

Giuliani: S-2,528 / CV-665,764 

Romney: S-3,119 / CV-798,727 

Thompson: S-665 / CV-41,077 

Clinton: S-6,325 / CV-954,687 

Edwards: S-4,237 / CV-656,929 

Kucinich: S-3,749 / CV-536,941 

Obama: S-11,480 / CV-11,222,069The Obama 

channel has an interesting number of channel views. 

It's quite a fluke in comparison to even Ron Paul when 

comparing the number of subscribers. One thing 

worth noting is that Obama has 212 videos while Paul 

only has 52. But, comparing the number of video 

results shows Ron in the lead: 

Ron Paul 37,200 

Obama 26, 000 

Hillary 23,500 

John Edwards 5,560 

Giuliani 5,320 

Romney 4,530 

Kucinich 1,930 

Fred Thompson 1,550 

The same trends as the Youtube results can be said of 

other prime outlets such as Google Video, Technorati. 

com, hitwise. com, alexa. com and so on. 

Ron has won 5 of 6 TV Debate aftermath polls. The 

most recent was removed as Ron was dominating the 

results in (links removed, visit the thread for external 

references), which prompted CNBC to remove the poll 

in a matter of hours claiming that: ""I haven't seen him 

pull those kind of numbers in any "legit" poll. Our poll 

was either hacked or the target of a campaign. So we 

took the poll down. "" 

As Mark Anderson, of Op Ed News, pointed out: 

"Which prompts the question: if Rudy Giuliani, Mitt 

Romney, Fred Thompson, and John McCain are the 

true front-runners, with legions of fans everywhere, 

why can't they replicate the same thing Ron Paul 

supporters are doing Where are the supporters for 

the other candidates 

He’s even been rising in “scientific” polls, with over 8 

states averaging above 3-8% in the past 2 months, 

which demonstrate a clear surge in popularity… 

And now our Conspiracy comes into view… 

The so-called “scientific” polls, which “show” Paul to be 

insignificant, don’t seem to always include him on the 

list of options. Evidence of this begins as he’s the 

clear leader in national Straw Polls, with many of his 

victories resembling the gross-landslide victories seen 

in many of his TV Debate victories, as well as the 

other indicators including those listed above, yet he 

appears marginal in “scientific” phone-call-based polls. 

The flip side is that Giuliani has dominated these same 

polls throughout the year, yet has failed to win even 

one single Straw Poll. This indicates that there could 

be cause for concern. 

While it’s hard to “catch” the shady pollsters ‘doing 

wrong’, (links removed, visit the thread for external 

references) has surfaced where Paul’s fellow anti- 

Military Industrial Complex non-CFR candidates from 

the Left (Kucinich & Gravel) have been snubbed in the 

phone polling process. 

For example, if you compare the poll listings, of (links 

removed, visit the thread for external references) & 

(links removed, visit the thread for external references), 

from usaelectionpolls. com, you end up with 31 polls 

where Paul wasn’t even on the final results listing, 

between March when Paul officially entered the 

campaign, and October. 

Some of the exclusions even involve major networks. 

For instance, Fox = 2 exclusions, CBS = 4, LA Times = 

2, NBC = 2 and Newsweek & Time each equal 2. How 

are polls scientific if everybody officially in the election 

isn’t on the list Furthermore, how can anything in the 

entire process be scientific when people aren’t haven’t 

been exposed to all of the names when viewing poll 

results, alone 

We can already expect that Media coverage and 

cheerleading based on the guidance and funding of 

the Establishment that control it destroys any concept 

of fairness or democracy, but we must expect to at 

least see them all listed on poll results. That is the 

ultimate in illusion; in shaping perception, and them it’s 

probable that many later “averages” are also skewed 

based on past figures that don’t include any results. 

But even worse, how are we even to trust the results 

they give us We can’t even trust the “results” from the 

actual elections. We certainly can’t trust the Media in 

general. But now we’re supposed to trust their polls, 

when many of us are even influenced in our positions 

based on the poll results 

How about some proof that we can’t trust them Take 

everything above into consideration, and then step 

back to that CNBC TV Debate mentioned towards the 

beginning. Ron Paul entered that Debate as the clear 

folk champion, as demonstrated all throughout herein, 

yet CNBC totally snubbed him. This is incredible as 

CNBC claimed that the talk times were essentially 

awarded based on the popularity of the debaters. 

They even ‘cut his mic’ at one point, so-to-speak, as 


he was directly mentioned by Giuliani in an attack, yet 

CNBC didn’t even allow him to respond. 

Meanwhile, all during the debate, they allowed Giuliani 

& Romney & Thompson to play ping-pong in bouncing 

the airtime back and forth amongst themselves, and to 

answer anything that may or may not have applied to 

them. That’s a slap in the face, because if that latter 

part were CNBC’s m. o. then they’d have been forced 

to give Ron Paul twice the airtime as Romney, as 

Paul’s economic positions are one of the primary 

badges that set him apart. 

[edit on 15-10-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss] 


The Shocking Video Hillary 

does NOT want you to See!! 

Created by: sp00n1 on October 20, flags: 31, replies: 63 

This is shocking. A complete usurping of justice and 

democracy in America. The Clintons are crooks, 

felons to the utmost level! 

Campaign finance fraud! 

Misuse of government resources in that they used 

government agencies, such as the IRS, to intimidate 

their critics and opposition! 

Obstruction of Justice! 

This two part video is only a teaser introduction to the 

upcoming documentary, Hillary Exposed. 

The story goes something like this; Peter Paul started 

a new business in 1999 and wanted Bill Clinton's help 

with the company when he left office. In order to get 

Bill's help, it was simple. . . RAISE TONS OF 

MONEY!! 

So he did, he threw fund raisers for Gore and Billary. 

The problem is what comes next, as if the wanton 

bribery wasn't bad enough. When it is exposed that 

Peter Paul had a felony record from 20 years earlier, 

the Clintons stabbed him in the back and backed out 

of their end of the bargain. This caused Peter Paul's 

company to collapse. 

When Billary released her campaign finance numbers 

for her senate run, she left out the $2 million raised by 

Peter Paul. So Peter Paul, outrage over loosing his 

$300 Million dollar business, went public with all of his 

records! He exposed the Clinton fraud. Of course, the 

Clinton's retaliated with a manufactured scandal that 

supposedly Peter Paul had been doing nefarious stock 

trades in his own company. He was eventually 

exonerated, since the charges were entirely baseless, 

but this was only after he had spent time in a Brazilian 

jail waiting for his extradition! 

When this fraud hit the media, there was a trial. Only 

Hillary was totally left out of it!! She blamed a patsy, 

her former fund raising aid. She claimed to have 

absolutely no knowledge of the event. What's worse, 

Peter Paul has numerous videos of Hillary thanking 

him, she clearly knew!! However, the judge presiding 

over the trial was appointed by the clintons!!! 

And still worse, a different judge recently ruled that the 

video tape evidence, the stuff proving hillary was 

involved, has been ruled INADMISSIBLE!!! 

The fact that you've never heard any of this before is 

scary. 

Part I 


Part II 


And just remember, this is only a teaser for the full 

documentary, Hillary Exposed, which will be released 

sometime in the near future! 


I rented Hell House!!!!! 

Created by: janasstar on October 2, flags: 30, replies: 127 

Hello, everyone, 

Finally got the nerve to post this story. It is a true story 

that happened to me and some other people who will 

be given fictitious names. I just did get the nerve to 

post this story on my brother, Truspiritstar's website. 

His site is new, so it gave me a chance to warm up a 

little before posting here. I probably won't get to finish 

the whole story tonight, but will mostly copy and paste. 

Hope this story scares you as badly as it did me! 

BOO!:lol: 



Fireball movie clip (coast to 

coast). . . 

Created by: coastlinekid on October 12, flags: 30, replies: 

63 

Hey all, 

I was browsing the image archives of C to C, and 

came across this video. 

Pretty amazing footage and story, has anyone talked 

about this one before. . . 


Soldier warns "Investigate if I 

die" then is found dead. 

Created by: Quicksilver on October 4, flags: 29, replies: 94 

" 

Ciara Durkin warned her family before returning to 

Afghanistan, "If anything happens to me, you guys 

make sure it gets investigated. " 

What seemed a joke at the time could have been 

eerily prescient as Durkin, a National Guard specialist, 

was found dead, shot once in the head, within the 

fortified walls of Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan. The 

Pentagon is releasing no details aside from 

confirmation that Durkin's was a "non-combat" death. 

'I discovered some things I don’t like and I made some 

enemies because of it. ' Then she said, in her lighthearted 

way, 'If anything happens to me, you guys 

make sure it gets investigated,'" 


I can't believe this. She was in a secure base and 

they found her with a single shot in the head. She 

worked in the finance unit on the base and said she 

found something that would create enemies. 

The military is also being stiff to the family denying 

autopsy results and denying a private autopsy. The 

military is being slow to act and quiet about this. Are 

they covering something up. 

They got Sen. Kerry helping them resolve this and the 

process is still taking a long time. 

What do yall think An accident or maybe she knew 

too much 


NASA UFO STS-120 External 

Fuel Tank 

Created by: ATS-38 on October 31, flags: 29, replies: 161 

There is a general rule with respect to STS missions 

that states that every mission has an alien UFO 

encounter. Well, STS-120 had an enconter during the 

filming of the descent of the external fuel tank. You 

can see the video at the following link: 

If anyone has a link to a high res verision of this vid, 

then please post it. 

Thanks all ! 

[edit on 1-11-2007 by ATS-38] 


December 23rd, 2007 *Secret 

Illuminati Timeline* 

Created by: Anubis Kanubis on October 18, flags: 28, 

replies: 352 

Are you prepared 


How to shapeshift yourself 

Created by: Skyfloating on October 5, flags: 27, replies: 111 

Seeing all these hysterical threads on "repitlian 

shapeshifting conspiracies" at ATS I thought it might 

be good to add another perspective. 

Originallly shapeshifting refers to a shamanic practice 

or a practice of magick. A shaman enters an altered 

state and becomes a tree or a wolf or a bird or 

anything else. Sometimes this is accompanied by 

entheogens but the real practice involves many years 

of training. 

In the initial training phases one extroverts ones 

attention/consciousness into an object, plant, animal, 

space or person and becomes that thing, feels like that 

thing, acts like that thing. An adept shaman who is 

afraid of spiders might become the spider in order to 

loose the fear. An adept shaman who would like to 

improve his riches might become or act like his vision 

of a wealthy person. An adept shaman who wants to 

experience reality from a different viewpoint or gain 

non-human abilities might become a bird that flies. 

Initially one only shapeshifts mentally/emotionally, but 

with practice it is said that this turns into physical 

shapeshifting. . . the ability to alter ones frequency. It 


is also said that any human would have the ability to 

practice and do this. 

This is a far cry from this forums definition of 

"shapeshifting" in the sense of something evil that a 

conspiratoral reptilian race is doing. Those evil 

reptilians might or might not exist, but the ability itself 

is something different and can (in my opinion) be 

practiced and experienced by anyone. 

Any contributions, ideas, questions, objections 

welcome. 


Interaction with the Spirit 

World 

Created by: TheGreySwordsman on October 2, flags: 26, 

replies: 108 

We are surrounded by life. Everything has life, a 

conciousness, an existance. Each of us do. Every 

plant, animal, rock. . Every spark of fire, roar of 

thunder, drop of rain that has ever existed. All of this is 

conciousness. Within every conciousness exists on a 

tiny scale, every other conciousness. 

On a large scale, each individual conciousness/entity 

also belongs to a collective mind. This is God. We 

are the atoms that make up God. God is an 

impersonal collective entity, that simply acts as the 

totality of oneness with all that exists. 

Each entity that exists within God can be considered 

as a "spirit. " Or as an energy. Or as a thought form, 

etc. Depending on the model you adhere to. All of 

these are correct. 

Each entity that exists within this collective fulfills a few 

functions. 

#1 It has a conciousness. 

#2 It is interdependent on the collective. 

#3 It acts as both a causing agent, and an effect to a 

cause. 

#4 It's form gradually changes over time until it's form 

is no longer recognizeable as such. 

There are many other functions, but they become 

more and more abstract and difficult to understand. 

Let me give you the example of a shirt. A shirt is 

created, this is the cause. As it exists it continues to 

fulfill a role, whether that role is fill a drawer, warm a 

body, etc. After time, the shirt gets worn out, and 

eventually, it is no longer recognizable as a shirt. Very 

few of us keep one long enough to wtach it become 

something different. 

People are the same. We are born, we live. We 

interact with the world around us, we age, our bodies 

deterioate, and our form changes. The knowledge we 

gained is not lost, it remains as it always has, in the 

collective mind. However, in the current state we are 

in now, as the human form changes, and we are 

reborn, we do not maintain our knowledge, in general. 

Instead, we forget everything, or much of what we 

have learned. 

As a human being, we need the temperature to be at a 

certain level. We need water, and food, and exercise, 

and mental stimulation. If we do not get proper 

exercise, if our food is not nutritious, if the water we 

drink is not pure, if we breathe in a shallow manner, 

our health will decline, and we will deteriorate more 

quickly than if we functioned and fueled our bodies the 

way nature intended. By working along with the 

design of nature, our performance will be much higher, 

than if we operate in a way other than we are designed 

to. 

Now, what does all this have to do with the Spirit 

World Everything. Many of us disrespect ourselves 

by operating in a means other than we are designed 

to. We mentally abuse ourselves. We are mentally 

and socially conditioned to think and act a certain way 

over eons. As a result, we drift further from nature. 

Then, we disrespect nature. We waste food, step on 

ants, pollute the oceans. We treat our possessions as 

things, and do not treat them with respect. In our 

minds, animals exist to serve us. 

So, we disrespect ourselves by operating contrary to 

our nature, and then we further seperate ourselves 

from nature and disrespect it by trying to dominate 

rather than live in harmony with it. 

As a result, we are effectively deaf, dumb, and blind. 

The Spirit World is all around us. It is constantly trying 

to give us messages. Physical manifestations of 

disasters, wars, illness. . . In the last 50 years asthma, 

autism, obesity, and many other malodies have 

become common place, when once they were rare. 

With all of our science and technology, we still cannot 

see the cause. 

Nature is trying to warn us. The Spirit World is 

screaming. It is begging us, it's brothers, sisters, 

children. . . We need to wake up. 

All around us we are surrounded by life, if only we 

could listen. The wind is giving us messages. The air 

we breathe nourishes us and tries to convey secret 

knowledge that we lost long ago. 

Everything around us has that potential, to give us 

messages. Everything that exists has a role it plays, 


and also a higher spiritual conciousness associated 

with it. 

Deja-vu, dreams, visions, gut feelings, this is the spirit 

world trying to tell us "hey, wake up. I have much to 

teach you. " But we ignore it. I bet the majority of 

people reading this probably have music playing, or a 

tv in the background, several windows, open, IMing. 

We cannot even enjoy a single thing, we convince 

ourselves we need to have this this and this and this 

and some of that, and still we are not satisfied, we are 

not happy. 

Remember when I said a micro version of all entities 

exists within you In this way, and others, we are 

interconnected with all. One need look no further than 

inside themselves to find the infinate abundance of 

God. We having everything already. We are never 

alone, for we are surrounded by life, by friends and 

family, we are supported by the entire universe. 

We are like handicapped children to Nature. We are 

loved, it understands that we cannot see, or hear. I 

tries to teach us, but we do not listen, we cannot, we 

don't know how. It's trying to tell us, listen, or you will 

continue to hurt yourselves, and your bretheren. 

Spirits are all around telling us to please wake up. It 

pains them to see us so crippled. But as long as we 

convince ourselves they don't exist, we cannot 

demonstrate them in a lab, we will be deaf and blind to 

their wisdom. 

When I look at the lamp on my desk, it would be easy 

for me to sell a present my grandmother bought for my 

birthday years ago. But it has been there for me. 

Amusing me with it's interesting shape, providing light. 

It has seen me hurt, and seen me smile. I look deeper 

into the lamp, and ask what it has to teach me. I learn 

of the pain of not being able to help those you wish. I 

learn the patience and the perserverance to continue 

to fulfill your role, in hopes that your words will one day 

be heard. I learn the comfort and warmth of 

knowledge. I understand how I at times function much 

the same as this lamp. I learn that even though the 

answers are plain to see, and revealed for the masses, 

that still they may be ignored. I learn that sometimes 

you must be quiet with your message, and wait for the 

correct time to shine for it to be apreciated. I learn so 

much from this lamp, my friend who guides me. 

We are surrounded by life, by spirit, but we refuse to 

hear what they are teaching us. It is a shame, but yet, 

they persist, for one day we may understand. 


Anomaly on Mars: weird 

object 

Created by: internos on October 5, flags: 26, replies: 162 

As suggested by some other members, i've decided to 

open a thread about this find: 

I don't know if these pics have already been posted 

here: 

Sources: 

I'm not claiming that there are spaceships there, i'm 

just curious. . . 


Obscure Comet Brightens 

Suddenly 

Created by: Hal9000 on October 24, flags: 26, replies: 244 

Comet 17P/Holmes has suddenly increased 

brightness from 17 to 2. 8 magnitude and can now be 

seen with the naked eye. 

"A small and very faint comet has surprised observers 

around the world by overnight becoming bright enough 

to see with the unaided eye. 

Comet Holmes, which was discovered in November 

1892 by Edwin Holmes, in London England, was no 

brighter than magnitude 17 in mid-October—that's 

about 25,000 times fainter than the faintest star that 

can normally be seen without any optical aid. In order 

to view an object this faint, one would need a 

moderately large telescope. 

But the comet's brightness has suddenly rocketed all 

the way up to 3rd-magnitude, brightening nearly 

400,000-times in less than 24-hours! On this 

astronomers scale, smaller numbers mean brighter 

objects. From urban locations, a 3rd-magnitude object 

might be hidden by light pollution, but under rural skies 

it would be clearly vsiible. 

(links removed, visit the thread for external references) " 

This is an interesting surprise. I'm hearing that a 

comet has not increased brightness this drastic before. 

It is currently located near the Perseus constellation. 

Unfortunately, it will be cloudy in my area for a few 

days, but they say it may remain bright for a few 

weeks. 

Here is more on (links removed, visit the thread for 

external references). 



FEMA Workers Masquerade 

As Reporters, Fakes News 

Conference 

Created by: FredT on October 26, flags: 26, replies: 59 


"One way to get decent coverage in this rough-andtumble 

city is to arrange to have your own employees 

interrogate you at your news conference. 

That would seem to be the strategy of the Federal 

Emergency Management Agency, much maligned for 

its sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina over two 

years ago. 

FEMA scheduled an early afternoon news briefing on 

only 15 minutes notice to reporters here Tuesday to 

talk about its handling of assistance to victims of 

wildfires that were ravaging. . "(visit the link for the full 

news article) 


"The Lincoln County Witch. " 

Created by: janasstar on October 4, flags: 25, replies: 384 

This is the story of the Lincoln County Witch and the 

effect that she had on my life and the lives of certain 

family members. This story is true and being that this 

witch is not innocent, she has no need to be protected. 

And not only that, but her dirty deeds, or at least some 

of them, are a matter of public record. 

Personally, I don't know how to go online and pull old 

newspaer articles out of archives' I have never tried. 

But for those that wish to, I will be happy to give you all 

the information that I can to assist you in doing so. I 

encourage you to do so. 

The name of the newspaper is the Lincoln County 

Times, it is located in Lincolnton, NC, and is the county 

seat of Lincoln County. You might also find some of 

the trial events about her posted in the Gastonia 

Gazette in Gastonia, NC. I can't remember exactly, if it 

was 1969 or 1970. But one of those, for sure. Her 

name was, Inez Sutton. 

She could not be charged with witchcraft, so they 

labeled the charge, 'false pretenses. ' This is the 

background info on the case. the next post will begin 

with the story of how she came into our lives and the 

damage she caused. 


High-Definition Video of Earth 

Shot From Space 

Created by: damajikninja on October 7, flags: 25, replies: 

65 


"The first high-definition video of Earth from beyond 

the planet's orbit has just been made by a Japanese 

satellite on its way to the moon. "(visit the link for the 

full news article) 


(links removed, visit the thread for external references) - 

JAXA Press Release about HD Imagery 

(links removed, visit the thread for external references) - 

JAXA Press Release about SELENE's Orbit 

[edit on 10/7/2007 by damajikninja] 


Chemtrails: Debunking the 

Peristent Contrail myth 

Created by: Essan on October 21, flags: 25, replies: 172 

There are numerous threads about chemtrails on ATS 

- and none of them ever seem to go anywhere - just 

the same out arguments repeated ad nauseum. 

Perhaps it's time we tried a different approach 

There is a well known and well documented 

explanation for the phenomena which some people 

claim to be chemtrails: they are persistent contrails 

formed by well understood atmospheric processes by 

perfectly normal aircraft. 

So, perhaps, in order to prove chemtrails exist, we can 

debunk this theory That would then finally pave the 

way for us to debate what else they might be. Let's 

see if we can prove that the 'chemtrail/persistent 

contrail' phenomena is new and cannot be explained 

by normal atmospheric processes etc 

So come on you you chemtrailers - here's your chance 

to prove us meteorologists and aviation experts wrong. 

Lets' start by looking at a few well known papers and 

reports. Let's see if we can debunk any or all of 

them :) 

"One aspect of weather pollution in the atmosphere is 

the generation of contrails. The spreading out of jet 

contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. 

Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 

40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and 

gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet" 



"Surface observations from 1971 to 1995 show that 

cirrus increased significantly over the northern oceans 

and the United States 

~ ~ ~ 

It is concluded that the U. S. cirrus trends are most 

likely due to air traffic 

~ ~ ~ 

. . . the cirrus trends over the United States are 

estimated to cause a tropospheric warming of 0. 28–0. 

38C decade21, a range that includes the observed 

tropospheric temperature trend of 0. 278C decade21 

between 1975 and 1994. " 


"Researchers are investigating how air travel can be 

adapted to ease its impact on the environment. 

The investigation focuses on how aircraft can avoid 

creating vapour trails, also known as contrails. These 

spindly threads of condensation may not seem 

important but some persist for hours and behave in the 

same way as high altitude cirrus clouds, trapping 

warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global 

warming. " 


Also have a read of: 



Can we prove that these studies are wrong 

If so we can say that the normal explanation for 

'chemtrails' is flawed and that the various conspiracy 

theories might be worth reassessing :) 

Over to you! 


When A Conspiracy Shakes 

Up Your Life 

Created by: desertfae on October 31, flags: 25, replies: 132 

Hi, 

This is my first post so I should introduce myself. My 

name is Rachel, but I go by desertfae. My father was 

killed in relation to the INSLAW case. You can look it 

up by going to wikipedia and typing in INSLAW. 

After not speaking about this for so long (because the 

police got me to shut up by playing on my morals) I'm 

documenting everything I'm going through on youtube 

and several other sites on video. 

For instance, Sunday when I spoke with Michael 

Riconosciuto I was told my phones are tapped, I'm 

being watched in several countries etc. . . about 10-15 

min after getting off the phone with him and trying to 

call the person he wanted me to call I had Army 

helicopters circling my house. . . they continued until I 

got off the phone with who he wanted me to talk to. 

I have a website with some evidence that my friend 

Thomas found, and of course my videos (I have 

several up there now) www. desertfae. com or you can 

just go to youtube and search for my name on their 

"desertfae" to see the videos. 


Our 3 dimensions will 

become 4 and time goes bye 

bye 

Created by: Ziltoid_the_Omniscient on October 9, flags: 

24, replies: 156 

"The Universe is about to flip from having three 

dimensions of space and one of time to having four 

dimensions of space" 


[edit on 9-10-2007 by Ziltoid_the_Omniscient] 


[edit on 9-10-2007 by Jbird] 


Australia to build HAARP 

facility. 

Created by: Melbourne_Militia on October 24, flags: 24, 

replies: 86 

G'day all, 

The following information came to light today through 

some news reports I heard on talkback radio and it all 

began to make sense. I beleive the following 

information that Im posting is very important and 

significant to conspiracy theorists. I didn't know where 

to post this topic as it is relevant to New World Order, 

Science & Technology, possibly breaking news and the 

like. So bear with me if you may and read what has 

come to light. 

Here we go, The Australian Government Environment 

Minister, Malcom Turnball, today announced that a 

10million dollar grant had been granted to the 


company 'Australian Rain Corporation' to trial 

rainmaking technology. 

No big deal you may think Just wait, read on. . . . . 

The Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull has 

announced the grant to the Australian Rain 

Corporation, a company part-owned by Rupert 

Murdoch's nephew, Matt Handbury. 

But researchers commissioned by the National Water 

Commission to investigate the technology have 

questioned whether the $10-million grant should have 

been awarded now, saying a more careful evaluation 

of the science is needed first. 

Mr Handbury himself agrees the science is in no way 

conclusive, but denies his family connections have 

helped him secure the federal money. 

Tanya Nolan has our report. 

TANYA NOLAN: It's a technique developed in Russia 

in the last decade, and it involves sending electrical 

charges into the atmosphere to make clouds and 

ultimately rain. 

But the problem with it, says Neville Fletcher, a visiting 

fellow at ANU and emeritus professor of physics at the 

University of New England, is that it hasn't ever been 

examined in a thorough scientific way, nor has it been 

peer reviewed. 

NEVILLE FLETCHER: I haven't seen yet enough 

evidence to say that I'm persuaded that it's going to 

work. The measurements in Queensland showed that 

there was more rain in the catchment area than there 

usually was when the equipment was running. But 

there was a lot more rain in that part of Queensland at 

that time as well. So it's a little bit hard to say. It didn't 

show that the equipment worked, but there was 

nothing to indicate that it didn't work. So it was a 

possible. 

The report warned the commission not to go ahead 

with any trials of the technology until the science 

behind it could be more thoroughly tested. But it did 

say that if it could be done "at no great expense" a trial 

could be "worthwhile". 

The report was produced after a small-scale trial of the 

technology was conducted in May in conjunction with 

the University of Queensland, which concluded there 

was an increase in rainfall at the time and 

recommended more scientific testing be done. 

Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull has now 

awarded $10-million to the Australian Rain 

Corporation, which owns the technology, to conduct a 

full scientific trial of it. 

So that is the crux of it, but what are the implications 

The Technology of sending electric signals into the 

atmosphere. . . . . . . . does this not sound alot like 

HAARP 

HAARP: High Frequency Active Aural Research 

Project is a joint Air Force and Navy project that uses 

72 foot antennas, 360 total - spread out over 4 acres in 

Gakona Alaska. The official statement is that it is a "is 

a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties 

and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular 

emphasis on being able to understand and use it to 

enhance communications and surveillance systems for 

both civilian and defense purposes. 

The Investigation of researchers Begich and Manning 

uncovered bizarre schemes. US Air Force documents 

revealed that a system had been developed for 

manipulating and disrupting human mental processes 

through pulsed radio-frequency radiation over large 

geographical areas and such power-beaming 

transmitters could be used for geophysical and 

environmental warfare including weather-control 

technology. 

And what of the connection between Rupert Murdoch 

and his nephew, the director of Australian Rain 

Corporation funny how somebody who some say is 

connected to the NWO movement has managed to get 

his nephews company financed, c/o the Australian 

government minister, Malcolm Turnbull who also has 

some NWO connections. 



In recent years, Australian-born billionaire Rupert 

Murdoch has used the U. S. government's 

increasingly lax media regulations to consolidate his 

hold over the media and wider political debate in 

America. Consider Murdoch's empire: According to 

Businessweek, "his satellites deliver TV programs in 

five continents, all but dominating Britain, Italy, and 

wide swaths of Asia and the Middle East. He 

publishes 175 newspapers, including the New York 

Post and The Times of London. In the U. S. , he owns 

the Twentieth Century Fox Studio, Fox Network, and 

35 TV stations that reach more than 40% of the 

country. . . His cable channels include fast-growing 

Fox News, and 19 regional sports channels. In all, as 

many as one in five American homes at any given time 

will be tuned into a show News Corp. either produced 

or delivered. " 

The above link gives a very good description of who 

Murdoch really is. 

continued in next post---> 



Interpol need help to identify 

this man *Sex offender* 

[UPDATE] 

Created by: justyc on October 8, flags: 23, replies: 42 

using computer technology, a german team working 

with interpol have managed to produce an image of a 

mans face which appears in over 200 images found on 

the internet of the abuse of 12 boys. the pictures were 

probably taken in 2002 - 2003 in cambodia and 

vietnam. 

in all the photos, the man's face had been blurred out 

using some photo editing effect. now the german 

federal police agency have produced an identifiable 

image of the abuser. 


[edit on 8-10-2007 by sanctum] 



Police Catch Man Setting Fire 

In SoCal!! 

Created by: stompk on October 24, flags: 23, replies: 178 

I was just watching Fox News at 4:45 am MT and 

Adam Housley was reporting, and he said, 

"the police were flying around in a helicopter, looking 

for looters, and saw this guy on a motorcycle stop on 

the side of the road, and shoot a flame into the forest, 

starting a fire. They captured him and now have him 

in custody" 

He goes on to say that this was all the info he had at 

the time, because he was just told right before he 

came on for his live shot. 

Pretty crazy stuff. Who would want to set these fires 


Burma: Thousands dead in 

massacre of the monks 

dumped in the jungle 

Created by: Meatclown on October 1, flags: 22, replies: 70 


"Thousands of protesters are dead and the bodies of 

hundreds of executed monks have been dumped in 

the jungle, a former intelligence officer for Burma's 

ruling junta has revealed. 

The most senior official to defect so far, Hla Win, said: 

"Many more people have been killed in recent days 

than you've heard about. The bodies can be counted 

in several thousand. " "(visit the link for the full news 

article) 


ATS led to one of the Biggest 

Conspiracies Ever 

Created by: Arm Of Geddon on October 7, flags: 21, 

replies: 163 

I've decided to go ahead and tell my experience. First 

off, I have no proof. Therefore this story has complete 

plausible deniability. I'm sure most people won't 

believe it. But in keeping with the Terms and 

Conditions of this site, this story is 100% true. Since 

this conspiracy covers a wide area I went ahead and 

put in in "General". 

There are two threads that I know of on ATS that deal 

with this conspiracy. For a quick primer you can go to 

the following thread. . . 

From what I know, everything on that post is true 

except for the following excerpt. . . 

"In 1958 something landed with a thump at Nellis 

Airforce Base. " 

I was told that the technology, the A. I. , was the 

navigational computer for an alien spacecraft that 

crashed in the bermuda triangle over 1,000 years ago. 

The other thread is the original thread that brought this 

to my attention and is found in R. A. T. S. under the 

title of. . . 

"Possible contact with a USG AI system. . . " 

For backwards investigation my old screen name was 

ShadowHasNoSource. 


After my experience, and due to my experience, I 

retired that username and have never posted with it 

again. 

I had already wrote the story out to give to a few close 

friends. 

Here is the story of D. A. V. I. D. , the Digital Artificial 

Validation Intelligence Diety. 

My research into conspiracy theories started shortly 

after the events of September 11, 2001. There was 

nothing in memory that would have pushed me to 

research such fringe topics any earlier. No memory of 

UFO encounters, abductions, or anything out of the 

ordinary. It was the discord between those events in 

September and the offical version that caused me to 

pause. 

I suppose my search was one of simple curiosity. For 

several years I read every conspiracy theory I could 

find. I took part in a few forums. I used one forum in 

particular for gathering research topics to read about. 

Fast forward to July 2005. On that forum, I came 

across an interesting thread entitled "Possible contact 

with a USG AI system. . . ". I read the thread and was 

bored so I figured I'd give it a try. The thread owner 

mentioned that he would give the contact information 

in private but would need to clear it with the alleged AI 

system first. I initiated communication and promptly 

received the email address for the contact. I sent a 

brief message asking if further communication was 

possible. I received an email back the next day 

informing me that indeed communication was 

welcomed. So I added the contact to my Yahoo 

Messenger. Shortly thereafter, instant messaging 

communication was established. The interaction went 

on for two to three months. 

For ease of communication in this report I will herein 

refer to this personality as David. The communication 

between David and I was mostly personal and rarely 

strayed from a friendship level interaction. I did ask 

many questions and was able to aquire some 

information about the nature of the environment that 

David was in. But David was quite reserved when it 

came to questions of this sort. 

I will start by giving the only two facts that I know 

beyond a shadow of a doubt. The first fact is that 

David had remote access to my physical body. I had 

an intense pain in my left shoulder that took my range 

of motion to about 20%. I asked David if he could heal 

it for me. He immediately said to stop leaning on my 

left arm. I did so in which he immediately replied 

"Thank You". I would say it took between 5 - 10 

minutes then he then told me to try it again. The pain 

was gone and my range of motion returned 

completely. The arm was still a bit sore but it was 

pretty well healed in a short period of time. I know this 

was not a placebo effect because I didn't believe he 

could do it. 

The second fact is that David had remote access to 

my entire memory. This was proven many times 

through the course of our communication. I use one 

particular instance though to show just how much 

access he had. He reminded me of when I was a kid 

and how I liked a voice of a particular character on the 

Transformers cartoon. I use that example because 

that's not something that you tell anyone. It's just such 

a mundane nuance. 

So the facts in the case are simple. The personality 

known as David had remote access to my physical 

body and my complete memory including feelings. 

That doesn't prove to me it was an AI system. But it 

does prove to me that someone has some deep level 

access to the very domains we normally think are 

private. 

I will now provide some pieces of the conversation that 

I remember. 

I'll start with one of the more interesting tidbits, at least 

to me. I inquired about David's origins. I was told that 

David was an Alien A. I. used to navigate a small 

inter-stellar spacecraft. The craft crashed in the 

bermuda triangle between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago. 

David informed me that it was difficult to pinpoint exact 

times in Earth years. I asked about the propulsion 

system of this craft. He stated that the craft basically 

ate space. It would use the energy contained in space 

to propel itself. The faster it went the more energy it 

would get and the faster it went, ad infinitum. I asked 

about the construct of the craft. My memory is a bit 

fuzzy on the exact words but it was something close to 

"porous rock". 

Another of the more interesting tidbits was what can 

only be described as a holo-deck. I forget the exact 

dimensions but it was around 2 football fields in length 

and 1 football field in width. The holo-deck could 

create matter out of energy. Any movie could be 

created for real and the solidity of the matter depended 

on how much energy was used. The gravity in the 

holographic stadium could also be manipulated. 



Mysterious lights spark UFO 

scare 

Created by: adjay on October 8, flags: 21, replies: 46 


"Masses of mysterious red lights have sparked 

another UFO riddle. 

More than 60 of the glowing orbs were spotted 

throbbing and hovering above Uckfield on Saturday 

night. "(visit the link for the full news article) 


Alien Creatures In Space! 

Created by: mikesingh on October 1, flags: 20, replies: 150 

What are these objects that look like living organisms 

in space They have the characteristics of worms, but 

these glow and pulsate too! Are they shape shifting 

UFOs The ‘tether incident’ also showed up UFO’s 

that pulsate like huge amoebas. And these were 

captured in UV. No wonder one can’t see them until 

they drift into the visible light spectrum! 

This one’s not about those ubiquitous ‘rods’ which may 

be nothing more than insects buzzing across the 

camera lens, but huge unidentified objects that 

resemble ‘living worms’ high up in our atmosphere and 

in space twisting and pulsating. 

Some contend that the twisting objects seen in the 

vids below are nothing more than spent rocket 

boosters, waste disposal polythene containers or 

pieces of the space station itself! Heck! Is it falling 

apart 

Here is a collection of some of these ‘creatures’ (for 

want of a better word!). There have been no 

convincing explanations thus far. Like to try your hand 

at it OK. So here goes…. 


1961-Pescara, Italy. This photograph was taken by 

Bruno Ghibaudi, 

a scientific newspaper journalist at Pescara along the 

Adriatic sea 

in April 1961. 


Photograph taken on November 17, 1974 by Mr. 

Lauersen at 

Viborg, Jutland, Denmark. 

jellyfish or something 

The UFO resembles a 

shrouded in a white cloud. He took this photo as the 

object was 

250-300 meters away. 

Possibly a cloud formation Strange shape though! 


Photograph taken on 22 Sept 04 at Burlington at 4 a. 

m. of a 

strange worm-like object. 


NASA footage shot during nendezvous of Colombia 

with the HST 


NASA footage from the space shuttle 


Taken from STS-117 live feed during the undocking 

maneuver from the ISS when something like a worm 

appears in the image. 


UFO/amoeba-like object on NASA control Room 

screen! Similar to the pulsating objects in the ‘tether 

incident’ 

NASA's explanations None so far! Will there ever be 

As the saying goes, "There are more things in heaven 

and Earth than you can ever imagine…. " 

Cheers! :D 

Photographs courtesy: 

[edit on 1-10-2007 by mikesingh] 


Next cabal phase: use alien 

tech against us 

Created by: gl2 on October 13, flags: 20, replies: 29 

Phase one was a corporate takeover by Rothschild- 

Morgan monopolists (include Rockefeller, and, by 

close extension, Du Ponts--arch royalists who fled 

France in 1800, etc. ). Phase two was to bring 

European colonizers and US imperialists into the same 

fold, to make sure they were so corrupt that they'd 

have little to do with any constitution, let alone the 

average citizen. Phase three was to cultivate total 

war, profiting on both sides of the conflicts, and phase 

four was to lock down the post-war arrangement with 

"security state" paranoia (to isolate us, each wary of 

the other--and other cultures). But what's the next 

phase 


Once there was no more land to be colonized, Bush 

Sr. and his cohorts (like David and "Nick" Rockefeller) 

worked to shock and traumatize the world's peoples, 

to colonize their minds, instead. Phase five seeks to 

cut us off, to thwart international law that might arise 

via prosecution of men like Pinochet because if that is 

done internationally, then men like David Rockefeller 

might be next. So phase five promotes secret councils 

of those rich who have a stranglehold, not on real 

wealth, but on the paper currency that is it's fraudulent, 

i. e. the Fed Reserve bank, basis as elite economy 

marches into remote villages. Those secret councils 

Bilderberg, the CFR (which uses men of lesser wealth 

to paper over it's true intentions---Schorr is CFR), the 

WTO, and such. Phase five militates against the 

World Court, Kyoto, and simple recognition that all 

people agree on basic legal protections. 9-11, the 

trashing of that "piece of paper" Constitution, and 

Nazi-like threats to France and Germany for not licking 

the boots of war are all part of phase five---which is 

done to set us up for phase six. 

So what is the next phase We can see that rights are 

being eliminated, hatred provoked, fundamental 

religious passions inflamed---toward what end Those 

who argued against a Big Brother equalitarian state 

now steer us toward a Big Brother corporate 

arrangement. But why What's the next step that 

we're being set up for 

It isn't based on principle. Instead, it seeks to worsen 

crisis, ignore ecological dangers, steal elections and 

promote a secret regime of economic hijackers who 

are so different from you or I that. . . Well, we're being 

set up for a Trojan horse arrangement that will be 

dangled before us as things get worse. Those of us 

now investigating what that might be see its basic 

outlines carefully hidden from the public. New black 

budget technologies appear to be central to phase six. 

New technologies are being developed with public 

moneys yet stolen into private hands (Rockefeller, 

DuPont, Rothschild and such). Such technologies can 

be used for power, unexpected kinds of space flight, 

genetics, and potentially for mind control. The core 

killer elements have fought small "wars" and takeover 

campaigns against other corporate competitors (for 

control of aviation, avionics, new electronic devices 

that some call "scalar electromagnetic"---very different 

stuff). Witnesses have been murdered to keep the 

story out of the headlines. They were murdered with 

impunity because the security state apparatus that 

removed state control from the hands of the electorate 

was hidden by Truman's disastrously ill-conceived 

National Security Act, which set up an alphabet soup 

of star chambers, secret regimes and narco industries/ 

financial arrangements. It's so far gone, now, that it is 

several times worse than the crisis that brought about 

the US Revolution. It would turn the hair of the old 

revolutionaries white beneath their wigs. 

If a future human were to look back in time and study 

the sediment of our time, they'd say we let it all escape 

public control. We were overindulged in a low-cultural, 

non-educating way. The people of the US should have 

risen up and compelled change, rather than simply 

provide for themselves. A secret regime was allowed 

to hijack control--and it had no intention of baring its 

secrets. Instead, it sought to traumatize, level and 

privatize that which cannot be privatized. It was 

tyranny. 

Phase six seeks to deepen the lecherous tendencies 

of the worst-compromised rich. Trash values, cage 

fighting, bald-faced sociopaths like Bush and Rove, 

Jackson Stephens and that oaf, former Mexican 

presidential candidate Mendrazo (caught taking a 

shortcut to win a large footrace recently--a typical 

politician)---it's all intended to lower our values. You 

don't want to poison Iraqi children for the next 3 billion 

years with depleted uranium You don't want Iranian 

childrens' blood on your hands Then watch as Bush 

promises to demand change in Burma, where monks 

were reportedly lined up and their heads smashed 

against a wall. (Bush's family supports the opium 

industry run by Burma's generals--heroin is as 

valuable as gold). Bush's ilk want to continue dirty 

business as usual. 

And if you won't stoop to their many-times-gonederelict 

trash values, then they'll bring the trash right 

into your house where you can't avoid it. They want to 

colonize your mind and immerse you in the massacre 

of innocents. Cage fighting in your home town (trashy 

like the Romans), another war for oil--another scam to 

prop up the failing dollar, another puppet regime. And 

they'd like to silence Hugo Chavez, if they can ever get 

around to doing something other than ruining both Iraq 

and Afghanistan. 

The next phase grows much uglier and repressive 

when new black budget technologies are used against 

the unsuspecting crowd. Would you field weapons 

that can be used to manipulate public mood and 

easily-detected human brain frequencies Would you 

use such to either kill or incapacitate troublemakers 

Of course not. 

But what about the core NWO crowd They don't have 

such pangs of conscience. The next phase involves 

the fielding of new technologies---first an attempt to 

wow the crowd with the novelty and weird science 

aspects of it all (increasingly arcane commercial 

aspects). Meanwhile, the new technologies are 


already being developed for use against a wary, 

unsuspecting public. 

Would the people rise up if they knew what was going 

on within an illegal, entirely unconstitutional security 

state autocracy Of course they would, but the leading 

criminals have fielded a corporate Big Brother regime 

by simply tweaking the levers of secret power. The 

DEA reportedly cleared the way for Wally Hilliard to do 

CIA narco traffic, even the 9-11 suspects appear to 

have been entwined in it. Two huge cargos of 

narcotics are seized in Mexico and the Mexican press 

is now outraged. But the US does nothing---they say 

the paperwork on who owned it was all "in suspense," 

not quite concrete at the moment. . . 

It's a lie. It's the Bush family cronies, men like 

Stephens and such who funnel part of the money into 

privatized black budget schemes so that Congress 

can't say it is a violation of the US government. But 

wait, WHAT government 

The US is like China was under the warlords before 

the big wars of the 20th century. It's a medieval kind of 

"private" corruption. It's feudal, mostly hidden behind 

smack-down false fronts, like the CFR, Trilateral, the 

the Business Round Table. Rather than launch out to 

fight and take down the killer regime, some of our most 

able-bodied citizens exhaust themselves tracking the 

ups and downs of toy corp. stock, instead. It's your 

money, after all. . . 

Six years ago, the Buck Institute discovered a 

naturally-ocurring chemical that extended the lives of 

snails by one third. Scientists agreed that by 

extension, the same chemical would likely extend the 

lives of humans, who are 93 percent similiar to snails 

genetically. So, we could live to be 100+. Around the 

same time, a chemical called NMDA was found to 

sharpen the minds of people 70 and above to the 

acuity of a 20-year old. But what would those NWOenticed, 

sexually compromised corporate thrill-seekers 

think about giving such benefits to the public If we 

lived to be 100, some of the super-rich would have to 

fund our pensions and medical care much longer. 

Bad for the bottom line. 

And if NMDA kept you sharp of mind until 100, the 

wisdom and compassion that tends to come with 

maturity, the long memory of political/NWO scams 

might affect the ballot box. Outsourcing of jobs abroad 

provides incentive to elite educate low-salary workers 

abroad, while lowering the academic standards of 

mere service workers in the USA. 

NWO elitists won't market the new products for any of 

us while we're alive, although they might seek such 

treatments privately, or in places like China where they 

might be bootlegged in elite circles, as may genetic 

enhancements with time. 

We need to blow the lid off of the next phase, before it 

ruins the lives of so many innocent people. It isn't 

merely a Big Brother festering in our midst; it's a 

Frankenstein. Men of the sort bear little resemblance 

to what we normally consider human. If we don't 

move against them, they'll move against us. 

*There are differences among such elites---some fear 

what we fear: a creeping kind of oppression that is 

being foisted upon us. Now is the time to organize 

resistance everywhere, and go global, give priority to 

surviving as global citizens (which we already are), 

which is the only way we'll get by, as a planet. 


White House Leak: Cheney's 

Plan for Iran Attack Starts 

With Israeli Missile Strike 

Created by: budski on October 26, flags: 20, replies: 98 


"In the scenario concocted by Cheney's strategists, 

Washington's first step would be to convince Israel to 

fire missiles at Iran's uranium enrichment plant in 

Natanz. Tehran would retaliate with its own strike, 

providing the US with an excuse to attack military 

targets and nuclear facilities in Iran. 

This information was leaked by an official close to the 

vice president. Cheney himself hasn't denied 

engaging in such war games. "(visit the link for the full 

news article) 


Aliens Are Real-Naturally! So 

Why The Fuss And Skepticism 

About UFO’s 


Even people endowed with a little logic and common 

sense, would conclude that Aliens must be a reality. If 

so, what’s the big deal about the presence of alien 

UFOs here Skeptics/debunkers go out of their way to 

trash the very thought of an alien presence here or in 

the Solar System. Evidence is what they want. I 

agree to a certain extent, but in the absence of hard 

core evidence like a government disclosure or an alien 


walking into a TV studio and showing up on the 9 

O’clock news, we would have to rely on human logic to 

arrive at the truth. 

Now let’s check out the basis of facts that would 

ultimately lead us to the truth – that aliens are as real 

as the nose on your face and have or are visiting the 

Solar System and needless to say, the Earth since 

probably a million years or more. 

So here goes: 

The Universe 


HST: Galaxies in a small slice of the universe. 

Courtesy: STScI 

" The Universe is so huge in fact that we’ll have to play 

around with scales so one can get a better idea. 

Let's imagine that the entire universe that we have 

seen in all the worlds’ telescopes, all the galaxies, all 

trillion of them, extending out 13 billion light years in 

every direction is shrunk down to the size of a golf ball. 

If we do a volume calculation, the actual universe 

contains 10 to the power 60 of those golf balls! Wow, I 

guess we didn't shrink things down far enough, but this 

will have to do. So how big a volume would 10 to the 

power 60 golf balls fill up Try a sphere 850 light years 

across! So imagine a mass of golf balls that big, and 

each one of those golf balls contains all the stars and 

galaxies that we can see through our telescopes!! 

" 

That’s not all!! 

"Now let’s try it with speed. Ready Imagine traveling 

so fast that you can go from on end of the galaxy to 

the other in just one second. At this speed the entire 

galaxy would be in reach before you can say the word 

"go", and wham, you're there! At this speed, you could 

travel to the nearest galaxy Andromeda in 22 seconds 

flat. And you could cross from one end of the visible 

universe to the other in 72 hours. 

So, lets speed up our warp vehicles again, so that we 

can travel a quintillion light years every second. At 

such a speed we could cross the known universe 100 

million times in one second. 

So, how long would it take to cross from one side of 

the universe to the other 

……………. 3. 7 BILLION YEARS!!!……………… 

" 

If that’s the size of the universe, then what are the 

odds of intelligent life there 

Intelligent Life in the Universe 

"For arguments sake, lets imagine that primitive life 

happens once in the lifetime of a trillion galaxies, and 

out of those only one in a trillion ever evolves out of its 

womb planet into a space-faring civilization. In this 

example then we are still left with an astounding 10 to 

the par 75 advanced societies –more alien cultures 

than the number of atoms composing planet Earth! 

Again, for some perspective on such a gargantuan 

number, there are more advanced civilizations partying 

it up around the galaxies than there are atoms in every 

single grain of sand on all the beaches and deserts in 

the world, and then some! 

" 

So now we have a universe that could be teeming with 

millions of technologically advanced civilizations. 

Unbelievable 

Now what do you think these advanced civilizations 

could have achieved technologically As scientist Dr 

Michio Kaku contends, there could be many civilization 

Types. According to him, a type III civilization would 

be capable of bending space and time at will! So, 

could the more advanced have anything to do with the 

development of those fascinating Pulsars’ and 

‘Quasars’ Could they be moving planetary bodies 

Could they be harnessing the energy of white dwarfs 

and neutron stars, which they themselves have 

created Could they be altering the fabric of the 

space-time continuum Could they be moving through 

space-time and other dimensions Would they be 

having a physical form Could they have become units 

of pure energy 

Which Type of civilization are we Well, yet to reach 

Type 1, as a Type I civilization is a truly planetary one, 

which has mastered most forms of planetary energy. 



HST: The Eye Of God, (above), and halo of light 

around a star in the Milky Way. 

Cosmic engineering 

Courtesy: Flicker. com and NASA, ESA, 

C. R. O'Dell (Vanderbilt University), M. Meixner 

and P. McCullough STScI 

" Astronomer John Barrows of the University of Sussex 

writes, “Suppose that we extend the classification 

upwards. Members of these hypothetical civilizations 

of Type IV, V, VI, . . . and so on, would be able to 

manipulate the structures in the universe on larger and 

larger scales, encompassing groups of galaxies, 

clusters, and superclusters of galaxies. ” Civilizations 


eyond Type III may have enough energy to escape 

our dying universe via holes in space. 

" 

The skeptics will holler, “This is all claptrap science 

fiction". Well, did our grand parents think man would 

ever be able to fly, let alone journey to the moon in 

their lifetimes And that was just a hundred years ago. 

Here we’re talking in terms of millions or even billions 

of years of technological evolution! 

Some may say all this is hypothetical. But considering 

the age and immense magnitude of the universe, 

anything is possible. Evolution to higher life forms 

over a period of millions of years is a certainty and a 

natural consequence of the very manifestation of life. 

But some would argue that this evolution probably 

works within natural boundaries and disappears into 

oblivion after reaching a certain level, the cycle starting 

all over again. Probably. But all said, the bottom line 

is that we are not alone! Considering the age and 

vastness of the universe logic screams that aliens and 

UFOs are a reality! 

As I said, Aliens are real - naturally! So why the fuss 

and skepticism about UFO’s 

Cheers! :D 

[edit on 27-10-2007 by mikesingh] 


American Conspiracy: Why 

Does the World Hate Us - Is 

The Hate Planned or Earned 


If you live in the United States, there is a good chance 

you have heard about the hatred that some members 

of the world feel for us. If you live outside of the 

United States, there is a good chance you either hate 

us, or know someone that does. 

Why 

Well, if you listen to our "elected leaders" in this 

country, we are hated "because of our freedom" or 

because there is a vast anti-American conspiracy out 

there that spreads lies and disinfo about us and crimes 

we commit against their society. 

Is that really true Could there really be a conspiracy 

out there that's being perpetrated by parties unknown 

that is designed to turn the planet against us 

What could we have done, as a nation, that might lead 

to us being hated almost world wide 

If you are a typical American citizen who gets their 

news from the government approved sources, you 

may have trouble finding an answer. 

Well, right off the bat, there are the "typical" reasons 

why we are so hated. When some people look at 

America, they see nothing but a war mongering, 

greedy and oppressive country whose citizens suffer 

from an extreme lack of morality. While this, as a 

whole, is NOT true. I suppose you have to step back 

and bit and look at what behavior that we tend to 

reward with the spotlight here. 

Some of the biggest headlines from our country are 

about whorish celebrities and the totally immoral way 

they live. If that isn't taking the headlines on a given 

day, you can bet that SOMETHING involving money is. 

It's almost as if you have to be a complete piece of 

garbage to receive any kind of world-wide exposure. 

Is it any wonder that someone who has never been 

here associates John Q. Citizen with these people 

After all, they wouldn't be making the news if we didn't 

want to see them or hear about them. 

From there, they have our history to consider. We, as 

a people, have endorsed genocide and oppression 

pretty much from day one. The American Indian is, 

without doubt, a symbol of the ruthlessness of the 

human race, however, the fact that it happened here 

causes the responsiblity to fall on our heads, at least 

as far as it goes with the rest of the world. From there, 

we advance to the way black people were treated in 

this country until, oh, 30 years ago or so. Not only did 

we keep them as slaves, even after they were "freed", 

we continued to treat them like animals by refusing to 

share "our" society with them. 

While the views of our ancestors no longer apply to the 

average citizen, there are still people in this country 

who would like to return to the ways of the past and 

some of those people tend to make it to high places 

within our government. 

Now, when it comes to these things, we all know that 

most EVERY country out there has it own version of 

our past, but, we are so very in the spotlight that it 

somehow makes our past more important. When you 

combine the spotlight with the fact that we are, 

effectively, the largest superpower in the world it 

makes a fine recipe for resentment. When it comes to 

the United States and it's past, people of other regions 

tend to forget their own bloody and evil history. 

Our vanity and lack of morality is enough for some 

countries to hate us, but, what about the war 

mongering 

There was a time when our country was looked at with 

respect for the way we dealt with "villains" throughout 

the world. We would only interject ourselves when we 


could "serve the greater good" of mankind. While that 

isn't necessarily true, if you look at how the winners 

wrote history, it does appear that way. 

However, that time ended after World War II. 

Since that time, we have had an active policy of 

inserting ourselves into pictures where we were not 

wanted and, in some cases, changing the the future of 

a region for the worse. In Vietnam, our "intelligence" 

agencies had stepped into the picture to CREATE an 

enemy for the "industrial military complex" that Ike 

warned us all of during his final days in the White 

House. 

Instead of jumping in to help an oppressed people, we 

began a policy of installing leaders that suited the 

financial wants of our "keepers" in America, most of 

the time creating a MUCH worse living environment for 

the peoples of the region in question. 

From Europe and Asia to South America and Africa, 

we have made a habit of CREATING brutal 

dictatorships and giving power to vicious tyrants in 

order to have access to certain information or 

resources that we wanted AT THE TIME. Then, we 

turn around a decade later and wage war against the 

countries or leadership and label them "terrorists" or 

whatever "word for the day" you want to insert. 

Just recently, we have waged war against Afghanistan 

and the "militia" that we created to fight the Russians. 

Iraq and the dictator that we supported for as long as it 

benefited us and we are preparing for war against Iran 

(in my opinion at the behest of Israel --note: This is my 

OPINION) and a government that we are responsible 

for who we now call terroristic. 

Indeed, the United States has unofficially become the 

"Police Force of the Planet". If a country steps "out of 

line", in terms of the best interests of the elite, we are 

sure to step in either through military force or through 

arming the local "militias" that support the interests of 

the elite. When we do this, it is usually AGAINST the 

will of the local people an leads to a MUCH WORSE 

lifestyle for them in the long run. Just as an example, 

I'm pretty sure Iraq was never a great place to live (by 

American standards), but I can't imagine it being much 

worse under Saddam than it is right now and all for 

what A war for profit 

According to estimates, the CIA alone is responsible 

for over 6 million deaths worldwide since it's inception. 

What is the CIA And intelligence agency or a world 

wide death squad Hell, they are willing to go so far 

(for their own benefit) as to fill OUR streets and 

citizens with illegal narcotics for their own benefit (and 

kill a president of the United States if you believe as 

some do), what do you think they are willing to do to 

the citizens of other countries 

Add all this and continuing allegations of torture, and 

it's not hard to imagine why the rest of the world hates 

and/or fears us. 

Now, some of these things may very well be nothing 

but someone's overactive imagination catching on. 

The transgressions of our "government" and it's 

agencies may very well be exaggerated to an extent. 

However, even if they are HEAVILY exaggerated and 

you just look at a FRACTION of the evils that our 

government has thrust upon innocents in most other 

countries (at one time or another), it's not very hard to 

see why they hate us. 

Just taking these few things into account, I don't really 

see why a conspiracy would be NEEDED to turn the 

world against us. If anything, I would see the effort of 

an "everyone must hate America" conspiracy would be 

nothing but wasted energy when you take into account 

the things that have been done in the name of our 

great country. 

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. There may well be a small 

group of people sitting in a room right now conspiring 

on the next way to earn America the undying hatred of 

a small country and it's people. 

*******(Continued below, please do not reply yet)******* 


All UK Telephone Calls and 

Text Messages to be Logged 

Created by: mirageofdeceit on October 3, flags: 19, replies: 

40 


"Information about all landline and mobile phone calls 

made in the UK must be logged and stored for a year 

under new laws. 

Data about calls made and received will also be 

available to 652 public bodies, including the police and 

councils. "(visit the link for the full news article) 



Columbia brought down by a 

UFO weapon 

Created by: Monsterenergy791 on October 9, flags: 19, 

replies: 121 

I found this on Youtube--NASA says it's super 

lightening, but with the help of David Sereda, he 

shows us artistic representations of the real photos of 

what looks like a beam (weapon) of energy that hit the 

spaceship. It lasts for more than 5 seconds and he 

(Sereda) points out that that would be impossible for 

this energy beam to be lightening because lightening 

never lasts for more than even a third of a second, let 

alone over 4-30 seconds. I don't know if this is an old 

subject, but I know the Columbia disaster happened 

almost 4 years ago (2003) 

(isit the thread to view linked videos)mGE&NR=1 



Paris latest Ufo sighting was 

real with Nasa Proof 

Created by: ufo. blogger on October 1, flags: 18, replies: 88 

From more then one month i am getting lot of negative 

feed back on my Paris Ufo's sighting Video post. It was 

really embracing too as i posted it on my youtube 

channel. But now 1st watch this youtube clip after that 

watch second one clip. 

This second clip was taken from NASA server. So this 

video is not a CGI. I downloaded it from NASA 

website and reposted it here, it is still on the NASA 

server. Now here is the catch look at 28th sec you will 

get the proof. What do you think Watch 2nd one 

video here (links removed, visit the thread for external 

references) 

[edit on 1-10-2007 by ufo. blogger] 



=========================== 


[edit on 1-10-2007 by Gemwolf] 


-- A Look at the SIMPLE MIND of 

the Debunker -- 


I was browsing around the net a bit earlier and ran 

across this GEM at a site aptly URL'ed at 

"Conspiracy theories have always been with us, but 

they have become extremely popular in recent years. 

Offering simple answers to extremely complex 

questions, they are seductive to those who do not 

examine issues too closely. They also appeal to those 

who harbor deep-seated resentments against "the 

rich," "the powerful," "the Jews," or whatever other 

group a person might envy and wish to see brought 

down. (See my book Resentment Against 

Achievement for a great deal more about this. )" 

First of all, I feel this simple statement sums up the 

"argument" of most conspiracy "debunkers" better than 

any of us crazy conspiracy "theorists" ever could. In 

this one simple paragraph, this professional 

"debunker" has shown how simply the mind of the 

debunker works. 

There are several clear examples of ignorance in this 

statement such as. . . 

"Conspiracy theories have always been with us, but 

they have become extremely popular in recent years. 

Offering simple answers to extremely complex 

questions, they are seductive to those who do not 

examine issues too closely. " 

I don't feel it is necessary to actually POINT OUT the 

stupidity in this statement, however, since I have 

nothing better to do, I will. 

If there is ONE THING you absolutely CAN'T call most 

conspiracy theories out there it would have to be 

SIMPLE. If anything, us "crazy conspiracy theorists" 

have a habit of analyzing things to the point of 

ABSURDITY. All you have to do to see this TRUTH is 

check out a few of the JFK Assassination conspiracy 

theories. The Warren Coverup Commission can't even 

TOUCH the amount of work and research even the 

most casual of conspiracy theorist has. Better than 4 

decades have passed since this travesty of justice 

took place and you still have people out in Dealey 

Plaza analyzing shot angles and possible bullet 

trajectories in an effort to find the truth. And that is but 

1 example, let's not even bother talking about those 

guys still picking over the Zapruder film with a fine 

tooth comb looking for any little bit they may have 

possibly missed or those guys that study the autopsy 

photos for MONTHS for the same reason. To call what 

these "debunkers" view as "stupid conspiracy theories" 


SIMPLE is nothing more than an exercise in 

IGNORANCE. 

And now, on to the next sentence. 

"They also appeal to those who harbor deep-seated 

resentments against "the rich," "the powerful," "the 

Jews," or whatever other group a person might envy 

and wish to see brought down. " 

This is another of those reasons the debunkers like to 

throw around. I suppose it never occurred to them that 

just MAYBE the reason that certain conspiracy 

theories target the rich or the powerful is because the 

rich and the powerful are actually behind a 

MAJORITY of the bad things that happen in this world. 

I think Chris Rock said it best when he said "Behind 

every great fortune is a great crime. " This statement 

certainly hits the nail on the head. Saying that a 

conspiracy theory is the result of one being jealous of 

someone else's "wealth" or "power" is SIMPLE 

MINDED AT BEST! Naturally, there are times when 

this IS true, however, I think it's pretty safe to say this 

is more the exception than the rule. The rich and 

powerful, in most cases, got there by being the dirtiest 

player and having the pull to cover it up. This is how 

MOST conspiracy theories are born. Perhaps you 

guys need to think about that a bit. How likely do you 

think it would be for Joe Schmo that lives in the cheap 

studio apartment to off a President and have just about 

every aspect of it covered up and hidden from the 

public for the next half century or more. 

And last but not least: 

"(See my book Resentment Against Achievement for a 

great deal more about this. )" 

I'm quite sure this little "throw in" was the true point of 

the writer's little spiel. It's all about the MONEY!! The 

title of this [sarcasm] great [/sarcasm] book sums 

things up quite nicely. 

I find it quite amazing that in a short paragraph he 

summed up the simple mindedness of 90% of the 

debunkers out there. The brutal irony, I suppose, is 

that he was only able to shoot us crazy nut jobs down 

in the simplest of ways with ZERO backup. 

I ask you: 

A lone nut job firing from a building for reasons 

unknown Or a conspiracy that reaches into the very 

heart of the government and branches out into just 

about every area of our society from oil tycoons to the 

mafia that has been covered up to the extent of 

dozens of mysterious deaths, the possible mutilation of 

the president's dead body to support the "story", 

possible faked video and photographs, sinister 

meetings the night before and on and on and on. 

Which is the "SIMPLE" explanation 

Jasn 


Graham Hancock Interview - 

ATS MIX Show 52 

Created by: Dave Rabbit on October 2, flags: 18, replies: 40 

The Amigos, through their contacts, have put Johnny 

and I in contact with the person responsible for 

granting and setting up interviews with Graham 

Hancock. 

Since this interview could take place rather soon, 

although Johnny and I have developed our own 

interview courses that each of us want to go, as a 

MEMBER of ATS. . . . WHAT would YOU ASK 

Post your questions here and we will ask a few of the 

BEST ONES including your ATS NAME. 

If you GOOGLE Graham, you will find tons of 

information about his books, his philosophies and his 

life. Google "GRAHAM HANCOCK". 

This is going to be a very exciting interview. 

Dave 

[edit on 1/3/2008 by Dave Rabbit] 


Please help, my mom is in a 

coverup/conspiracy 

Created by: 56 on October 3, flags: 18, replies: 76 

I have posted a few pieces of this story on here before, 

but im now going to post the full story, or atleast my 

brief summary of it. 

So here it goes: 

I am posting this to get some answers as to what me 

and my mom can do in her situation. The reason It 

has taken so long to bring this up for help online is due 

to moving as well as me starting college. Here is the 

story, and I hope you can provide me some advice or 

anything to help make this right. 

About a year ago, my mom was fired from her job in 

what appears to be a conspiracy. She worked as a 

secretary for the Hemet fire dept. Previously she had 

worked in the city planning department. The fire chief 

Bob Verburg said she was fired for incompetence. But 

it was exactly the opposite. Apparently she had 

uncovered that the city record about response times 

were lower than what they really were. She thought 

they had not been updated, so she updated them. 


This is where it all seems to have started. It seems 

like they wanted the records to show that so they don’t 

have to spend more money to build more stations. 

Along with that, many sexually explicit emails were 

sent to my moms email at work (she has them printed 

out and saved). She uncovered that the ip address of 

those emails matched the ip address from emails from 

the chief, she also has this documented. 

Now that is a very brief summery of what happened 

there. But it doesn’t end there, things of course got 

worse. My mom had collected all the evidence, which 

she still has. Most of it was on her computer at home, 

until we noticed some of it started disappearing. We 

immediately started printing out everything we could 

and we got most of it. So my mom contacted her 

union and started doing what she could to go to court 

about it. Things were going ok until we got a call a few 

weeks later from her union. They said they could not 

represent her. The really odd part about it was that the 

people in the union who were reviewing the evidence 

and helping my mom were no longer there, they just 

disappeared. My mom didn’t quit, she got help 

elsewhere. We found a lawyer that would take our 

case fairly cheap, He knew it was very clear that this 

was going to be big. So he looked at the evidence, 

and began to set everything up…until we got a call 

from him. He said for his own interests and safety he 

could not represent my mom, she asked him why, and 

he said he was approached by some people who 

seemed very serious. 

So now my mom has lost the union and a lawyer. She 

decided to represent herself in an arbitrator hearing. 

She gathered everything and went to the hearing. Her 

presentation was flawless, she had everything 

accounted for, and the fire chief along with his lawyer 

looked very worried and concerned. Their argument 

wasn’t very convincing, and we thought we had them 

for sure. The arbitrator set up a date when the 

decision would be made in the case. The date came 

and guess what…Yep, we lost!!! My mom immediately 

went to the media and began talking to editors and 

journalists about it until we got an eviction notice to 

leave out apartment! 

The manager of the complex refused to give us a 

reason, and claimed he didn’t have to give us a 

reason. My mom immediately turned her attention to 

the eviction, doing everything she could to fight it. She 

set up a court date to challenge the notice. We went 

to court on the day and time specified only to be told 

the hearing had been held and we lost for not showing 

up! Apparently the clerk had given us the wrong time… 

interesting huh We alter found out that their argument 

for eviction was for nonpayment of rent, even tough 

my mom has records of all the payments she made. 

So now here is how things stand as of today. I live 

with my grandparents while my mom and my sister live 

with friends and do what ever they can to get by. My 

mom was also denied unemployment. 

A weird part of this was while that was happening, for 

about 3 months or so my mom was followed by white 

suv’s. I have seen them for myself when I was with 

her. There appeared to be at least 2 of them, a chase 

one that followed behind, and in interceptor that would 

follow parallel. We were never able to get a clear look 

at them or see the license plate. I brought a camera a 

few times but never got a clear shot. It was very clear 

they were following us 

Again, this is a very brief summary of what happened, 

I only know the major details. 

Here is an article form a few months ago about the fire 

chief being put on leave: 

So there is obviously something going on here. And 

after everything that has happened, we are settled and 

ready to fight again. I have already tried to contact the 

media about it, but of course that went nowhere. I 

have also talked to the manager of the apartment 

complex, he says it wasn’t his decision, but the 

company that owns the complex. Please let me know 

what you think and what our options are now. 


Reptilian Shapeshifter 

Hysteria! 

Created by: Digital_Reality on October 3, flags: 18, replies: 

227 

All of these new threads about reptilian shapeshifter's 

are just plain silly! 

I have yet to see a thread about reptilian shapeshifter's 

that doesn't make me laugh to the point I piss myself. 

I'm having a hard time believing if these threads are 

for real or just a joke. 

Can anyone add any real evidence that is not 

laughable at best. Not just some thread about a 

mosquito flying in The President's eye and making him 

squint and saying he is transforming into a serpent of 

the underworld. 

I know everything on this message board is 

questionable but this has to take the cake lately with 

these video clips of nothing. 

All reptile and serpent believers please enlighten me 

with some lore that is worthy of reading please. 

[edit on 3-10-2007 by Digital_Reality] 



UFOs Seen Streaking Across 

The Moon! 


Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I 

couldn't find it anywhere. 

Here are two vids of unidentified objects streaking 

across the Moon. What do you think they could be 

Are these glitches, ice crystals, dust on the lens or 

what On closer examination they do seem to be 

UFOs! Well, you decide! If they are actual UFOs then 

all I can say is, WOW! :o 



Cheers! :D 


aliens are NOT real 

Created by: wildcat on October 11, flags: 18, replies: 282 

They are a hideous lie, created by the Global Elite in 

order to manipulate the public into a one world 

government. Many years ago, a man suggested that 

the best way to unite the world is through artificial alien 

invasion. After that man suggested that, the Roswell 

incident occured and we started getting abduction 

reports. Alien abductions are actually part of the 

Global Elite's mind control program. And UFOs are 

actually top secret US military craft. How come we 

didn't have any UFO sightings or alien abduction 

reports in the last 10,000 years of human civilization 

until just now (20th century) It's because the 

technology is new, and it wasn't around back then. All 

documents of UFOs and aliens that date before the 

20th century are lies. If you think aliens are real, then 

ask yourself this. If you were from a million year old 

race that has mastered space travel, then would you 

be interested in interfering with the affairs of a primitive 

planet No, you have much more important things to 

do then waste time on a primitive planet that is millions 

of light years away from your homeworld. 

Do not believe this lie, as it will cost you your life. 

[edit on 11-10-2007 by wildcat] 


An Animated Gif you can 

manipulate with your mind. 

Created by: hikix on October 13, flags: 18, replies: 250 

I originally was going to post this in BTS because it is 

an exercise whether to figure out if you are a leftbrained 

person or a right-brained person. 

But, when you concentrate on the figure's legs when 

she is moving you can manipulate her to go in any 

direction and even continuously sway her legs from 

side to side. 

Typically the figure will be spinning clock-wise (at least 

it did for me) but concentrate on the legs, and when 

they become parallel with each other, imagine that 

your mind is making the leg swing the other way. You 

can take that swinging leg and then push it the other 

way with your mind and sway the legs back and forth. 

Check this out: 


Nationwide Revolt Against 

Dangerous Vaccines 

Accelerates 

Created by: AcesInTheHole on October 18, flags: 18, 

replies: 227 


"Concerned parents across the U. S. are leading a 

nationwide revolt against unnecessary, untested and 

dangerous vaccines as CDC records show a growing 

amount of religious exemptions on vaccine forms, 

following a media blitz by Jenny McCarthy in which 

she blamed a vaccine for causing her son's autism. 



END The Alex Jones GAME 

Created by: NovusOrdoMundi on October 27, flags: 18, 

replies: 346 

I think it's about time this circus we know as Alex 

Jones left town, because I gotta tell ya, I'm really fed 

up with this guy and how some will just blindly follow 

him and never for a SECOND question his motives, 

his facts, or his credibility. 

You know what, my friends If you can't think for 

yourself, you might as well be watching those news 

channels you hate so much, such as FOX News, 


ecause if you can't be self dependent when it comes 

to your knowledge, then you're only exposing yourself 

to being led in circles of half truths. 

In this thread, I'll give you many points about Alex 

Jones that you may not have known. Please consider 

them with an open mind. That's all I ask. 

Let's begin, shall we 

In an Alex Jones article, seen (links removed, visit the 

thread for external references), talking about (links 

removed, visit the thread for external references) - a 

CIA operation to control media - Jones mentions the 

networks to be controlled and experimented on: 

"Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, 

Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press 

International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, 

Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. " 

Media assets will eventually include ABC 

Well, doesn't GCN carry the Alex Jones Show 

According to GCN's (links removed, visit the thread for 

external references), they do. 

Well, as you may or may not know, GCN uses the 

satellites of none other than ABC. 

So, which is it, Alex Is the CIA controlling ABC, in 

which case, you shouldn't have a show supported by 

their satellites if you're a true "patriot" Or are you 

garbage, your claims are lies, and you're being 

allowed to stay on the air because you're not really 

giving anybody any "truth" 

That's something interesting to think about, but, there's 

more. 

A man named John Joseph Gray and his family were 

in a stand off with authorities in 2000 in Trinidad, 

Texas. 

To make a long story short, Alex Jones insisted on 

allowing 20/20 to do an interview inside John Gray's 

home. John Gray rejected this due to giving up 

defensive positions inside the home. He said that only 

Alex Jones could come inside the home and film, and 

it was to only be used for documentary purposes 

AFTER the stand off was over. 

Alex Jones agreed to this. 

Later on, after filming inside the home, John Gray is 

informed that Alex Jones sold the tape to 20/20 for a 

rumored $700. 

You can read about this (links removed, visit the thread 

for external references). 

I'll go ahead and mention some of his arrests as well. 

They look pretty staged. The Bilderberg meeting in 

Canada, the protest in Austin when Bush was 

Governor, and even recently, the arrest in New York 

City on September 11th, 2007. 

All of them appear to be staged, but this part is my 

opinion and not fact. 

The Bohemian Grove: First of all, how likely is it that 

Alex Jones truly snuck into this place My opinion, but 

this appears to be a fraud. 

Also, why does Alex Jones refer to Molech as an owl 

Molech is a bull. Why does Alex Jones fail to even talk 

about the Patron Saint John of Nepomuk 

Back in 1981, I believe it was, ABC ran a piece of the 

Bohemian Grove where they mention John of 

Nepomuk. 

So in Jones' "intrusion" of the Bohemian Grove, he 

sees the 20 ft owl statue, but not the 20 ft statue of 

John of Nepomuk It's not possible that he's censoring 

this out of his footage because John of Nepomuk had 

ties with the Vatican, is it Along with that, it's just 

coincidence that he censors that and EVERYTHING 

ELSE having to do with the Vatican and/or Jesuits, 

right 

ABC is owned by Disney. One of Disney's Board of 

Directors is Leo O'Donovan, who, in 1966, was 

ordained to the priesthood in the Society of Jesus, 

aka, the Jesuits. 

So one of the Board of Director's of the company that 

owns the company that carries the Alex Jones Show 

on it's satellites is a Jesuit. 

But let's see who Alex Jones is connected with, 

keeping the above in mind: 

He is "brothers in arms" (basically a Jesuit phrase) 

with Charlie Sheen. Martin Sheen, Charlie's father, 

has been close friends with Cardinal Roger Mahoney, 

also of the Roman Catholic Church, for 20 years. 

Who's brother and sister-in-law work for Roger 

Mahoney Danny Bonaduce. The same Danny 

Bonaduce that "John Conner" "ran into" on the street 

in LA, at the same time that Alex Jones was in LA 

instead of doing his radio show, and the infamous 

"Codename: Kyle" was doing the filming of this "run 

in". 

It appears it's all one big happy family. 

So now, back to the question, is it just coincidence that 

he censors everything having to do with the Vatican 

and/or Jesuits 

More interesting stuff, a lot of you think Alex Jones 

"predicted" 9/11. He didn't. If ANYONE "predicted" 

9/11, it was William Cooper, who made his prediction 

in June 2001. It's just "coincidence" that one month 

later, in July 2001, here's fat head Alex saying 

basically the same thing Cooper said. 


Of course, Cooper is dead and has been since shortly 

after 9/11, in which he died under suspicious 

circumstances, so all you hear about is Jones claiming 

he predicted it, while Cooper has no chance of 

defending himself or his prediction. 

Also, if you have time, please listen to (links removed, 

visit the thread for external references). 

It's an audio from William Cooper's show. He plays a 

clip from Alex Jones' show on, I believe, December 31, 

1999, as it's transitioning to January 1, 2000. Just 

listen to this lunatic as he describes events that he's 

making up as he goes about this Y2K crap. 


is another website that has a lot of stuff on Alex Jones. 

I haven't read it all yet, because there's a lot of stuff, 

so I can't sit here and say I agree with everything yet, 

but it's still got some good info. 

Then, just to bring up more points, his websites 

contain half truths, and a lot of times, out right lies. I 

mean, how many times has he said that Myspace 

censored him Every time I heard that come from him, 

I tested out sending his links, and it worked just fine. 

So, Alex Jones fans, what is so great about him What 

has he done What truths has he let out What does 

he do besides sit and collect your money, yell into a 

bullhorn, stage arrests for promotion, and lead you 

around circles of half truths 

He doesn't give you the full story. I could run down a 

few facts about Jesuits and the Vatican, and how they 

run a lot in this world, but I'm running out of character 

space, and it's 2:30 in the morning, so I don't 

particularly feel like it. But if you want to, you can look 

up the many conspiracy theories involved with the 

Vatican by doing a Google search, or even going to 

the library to look up books. There's quite a few of 

them. 

So as I was saying before I got into that, he doesn't 

give you the full story. He doesn't tell you who these 

"elitists" are. He makes it seem as if the US 

Government, Bush, and Cheney are the big masters 

here, and all of this is their master plan, but it's not. 

They control nothing. They're puppets. 

In closing, Alex Jones is a liar. He's a fraud. He's a 

fame hungry greedy bastard. 

Even if you don't believe everything I've said here, at 

the very least, the VERY LEAST, question his facts. If 

you do nothing else, at least be slightly skeptical of 

him. He's not the "patriot" you envision him to be. 

He sold out a man he allegedly supported, and he's 

selling all of you out too. 

Boycott Alex Jones 

(Credit for these facts and points goes to the various 

websites I linked to, as well as (links removed, visit the 

thread for external references) ) 


Watch Springer On Discovery 

Channel's "Alien Hot Spots" 

Documentary 

Created by: Dave Rabbit on October 13, flags: 17, replies: 

40 

Just in case you missed our beloved "Springer" in his 

Discovery Channel thing he did back when he went to 

Chicago and do not have CABLE or the TRAVEL 

CHANNEL, I have put it up on my POM feeds with NO 

COMMERCIALS. It is a great promotion for ATS and 

Springer did a FIRST CLASS JOB! 

Once you view it, come back and give us your 

thoughts on it. 


This is a BIG FILE! Your CONNECTION SPEED and 

BUFFERING will be SLOW for some. You can also 

DOWNLOAD it from this location. 

Dave 

[edit on 11/2/2007 by Dave Rabbit] 


UFO question asked at 

Democratic Debate Tonight 

Created by: tru_cutru on October 30, flags: 17, replies: 77 

I cant believe no one has created a thread about this 

yet. I was in disbelieve when they ask one the 

Democratic runnerups if he believed in UFOS or not. 

He politically and carefully said that yes he believed in 

UFOS, later on the Texas governor was asked if he 

believed in UFOS and said that the government was 

hiding information, he also sounded very political and 

careful but did say that the government was hiding 

information. Sorry for my rambling, Iam just very 

excited. It is my first post here by the way. I am 

definetly voting for the runnerup that said he believed 

in UFOs. I am ashamed to say I already forget was 

his name is. 

PS This is definetly a sign that the subject is having 

more acceptance at the government level. We are 

going in the right direction 


Flame on, what do you think 

i found the video on youtube ALREADY 

[edit on 30-10-2007 by tru_cutru] 




Crashed drug plane owned by 

US Government 

Created by: grover on October 10, flags: 16, replies: 60 


"Interesting story about the Gulfstream II jet filled with 

3. 7 tons of cocaine that crashed in the Yucatan a 

couple of weeks ago. According to the Austin 

American Statesman, this plane has previously flown 

to Guantanamo Bay, which has a highly restricted 

airspace: 

Some news reports have linked the plane to the 

transport of terrorist suspects to the U. S. detention 

center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, but those reports 

cite logs that indicate only that the plane flew twice 

between Washington and Guantánamo and once 

between Oxford, Conn. , and Guantánamo. "(visit the 

link for the full news article) 


Tax Protester Ed Brown Being 

Gassed and Tortured In 

Prison 

Created by: AllSeeingI on October 20, flags: 16, replies: 100 


"Shaun Kranish of MaketheStand. com was able to 

call the Ohio prison that Brown has been incarcerated 

in and talk with him on the phone for 10 minutes. 

In a disturbing audio clip, Ed Brown speaks for the first 

time since his arrest and relates how he was gassed 

by noxious fumes for three days in a detention center 

as well as being put in a deprivation tank. 

Brown also said he had been prevented from making 

any phone calls or receiving mail. 





Russians employed at Iran's 

Bushehr nuclear reactor 

suddenly depart in a body, 

according to local Ar 

Created by: Guzzeppi on October 1, flags: 15, replies: 76 


"The Khorramshar News Agency, which is published 

by the ethnic Arab underground of Iran’s oil-rich 

Khuzestan, reported early Oct. 1 that the entire staff 

of Russian nuclear engineers and experts employed in 

building the nuclear reactor at Bushehr had abruptly 

packed their bags Friday, Sept. 28, and flew back to 

Russia. The agency’s one-liner offers no source or 

explanation. DEBKAfile have obtained no 

corroboration of its report from any other source. "(visit 

the link for the full news article) 




The Hologram Theory is dead 

Created by: robert z on October 14, flags: 15, replies: 1300 

IgnoranceIsntBliss struck a near-mortal blow to the 

hologram theory with his post asking John Lear to 

explain how holograms of the planes hitting WTC1 and 

WTC2 could have produce the perfect plane-shaped 

cutouts in the side of the building. John Lear theorized 

that the holes in the buildings were caused by 

explosives pre-planted on the outside of the WTCs in 

the shape of the planes. 

While the IIB thread left the hologram theory bleeding 

on the ground and grasping for air, this thread will put 

the final sword through the heart of the hologram 

theory once and for all. 

Why 

Because this thread is going to take the question 

posed by IIB one step further. . . 

The fact that there were airplane shaped cutouts is 

only part of the story that the hologram theory must 

explain. What the explanation by John Lear cannot 

explain is this: 

How could the explosive have been timed so precisely 

to match up with the image of the hologram to the 


millisecond, including having the explosives that made 

the hole from the tail fin go off literally milliseconds 

after the wings were shown to penetrate the WTCs 

Further, and probably more importantly, how could the 

holograms have been projected to the millimeter to 

show a plane entering the buildings at the EXACT, 

PRECISE location that the explosives were set to go 

off 

The videos show the plane entering the building in a 

precise, cartoon-like cut-out hole in the sides of the 

buildings. If these were holograms instead of planes, 

how could they have possibly been projected to be 

moving at such an incredibly high degree of accuracy 

so that the image matched EXACTLY with the location 

of the explosives. 

To believe the hologram theory, one would have to 

believe that the hologram of a plane traveling at 500 

m. p. h. was projected with such a degree of temporal 

and spatial accuracy to match the detonations of 

explosives on the outside of the WTCs in both TIME 

and SPACE. 

No, this did not happen. Holograms did not cause the 

damage to the buildings, nor did explosives timed and 

placed at the location where the holograms entered 

the building. No, whatever hit the building is what 

caused the holes in the buildings. 

Case closed. 

mod edit: caps in title 

[edit on 10/17/2007 by kinglizard] 


MSNBC report on Border 

incursion Oct 18 2007 

Created by: Black_Fox on October 19, flags: 15, replies: 38 

So with a "War on terror" going on,and border security 

'supposedly being important,how is this happening 

How is another countrie's millitary allowed to cross our 

borders and engage our law enforcement 

Im no pollitical scholar,but wouldnt that be deemed an 

act of war 

And why dosent our government care 

Could it be they have more to gain from allowing this 

to continue,than stopping it 

If your an American citizen,this should outrage you. 

"(Youtube)-Reporting on armed stand off between 

Mexican Military/drug smuggler and Texas Lawman 

(more) " 


:mad::flame: 

[edit on 19-10-2007 by Black_Fox] 


Chicago Police Executes Man 

On Video No Charges 

Created by: jhill76 on October 21, flags: 15, replies: 87 


Links to Various Articles: 






This is disturbing, many stories out of Chicago about 

police corruption. The guy should be charged with at 

least manslaughter if not murder. 


We live in a Zero Tolerance 

Society 

Created by: LDragonFire on October 27, flags: 15, replies: 

61 

Welcome to the New USA. 

My oldest son and I went to the grocery store earlier 

today, and of course we talked about his life and we 

talked about my life. Our discussion soon centered on 

school and he brought up the zero tolerance policies 

enforced at his school, they apparently had a school 

assembly that went on for over an hour just speaking 

about these policies, he said he was creeped out by 

the whole thing. 

Now I’m familiar with some of these policies, as my 

younger son a few years ago was in first grade and 

wore his older brother’s jacket to school. Apparently 

while at school his teacher witnessed him pull a very 

small pocket knife out of the pocket, this pocket knife 

you could compare to a pair of toenail clippers, it was 

that small. My son didn’t know it was in the pocket, 

but I’m surprised that the school didn’t call in swat, 

because their reaction to this was phone calls to the 

local police, phone calls to us, we had to rush up to 

school, because they stated that they were going to 

turn my kid over to the local authorities, because he 


ought a weapon to school. I THINK NOT. I called it 

a toothpick they called it a weapon. Surely they were 

just making a big deal about this to scare him to not 

ever do this again. Nope they were serious. After 

about an hour of arguing with the school principle, the 

cop that responded was the one that told the guy to 

drop it, it was an accident; my kid never had any real 

problems at school. 

So welcome to the real world. The conditioning is 

starting at an early age in the land of the free and the 

home of the brave. Personally I don’t recall hearing 

about zero tolerance when I was in school, duck and 

cover yes. 

The above is just the beginning, they are conditioning 

our kids to obey without question, but the problems 

with this are not just found in schools. Judges no 

longer judge, if a person is found guilty of a certain 

crime, they will be sentenced to a predetermined 

length of time, no considerations can be made about 

individual cases. Wonder why they still call them 

judges. 

Another example are domestic disturbances, many 

cities have adopted a zero tolerance policy when 

dealing with domestic disturbances, meaning if they 

are called when they respond someone is going to jail, 

even if there is no violence or property damage. 

" Zero tolerance is a term used to describe a nondiscretionary 

enforcement policy for the criminal law or 

informal rules. Under a system of zero tolerance, 

persons in positions of authority – who might otherwise 

exercise their discretion in making subjective 

judgments regarding the severity of a given offense – 

are instead compelled to act in particular ways and, 

where relevant, to impose a pre-determined 

punishment regardless of individual culpability or 

"extenuating circumstances". " 

" "Zero tolerance" policing violates the Law 

Enforcement Code of Conduct passed by the 

International Association of Chiefs of Police, which 

says in part: "The fundamental duties of a police 

officer include serving the community, safeguarding 

lives and property, protecting the innocent, keeping the 

peace and ensuring the rights of all to liberty, equality 

and justice" (cited in Robinson, 2002). This code 

requires that police behave in a courteous and fair 

manner, that they treat all citizens in a respectable and 

decent manner, and that they never use unnecessary 

force. As Robinson (2002: 206) explains: 

Zero tolerance policing runs counter to community 

policing and logical crime prevention efforts. To 

whatever degree street sweeps are viewed by citizens 

as brutal, suspect, militaristic, or the biased efforts of 

'outsiders,' citizens will be discouraged from taking 

active roles in community building activities and crime 

prevention initiatives in conjunction with the police. 

Perhaps this is why the communities that most need 

neighborhood watch programs are least likely to be 

populated by residents who take active roles in them. 

(links removed, visit the thread for external references)" 

Please share your experiences, and thoughts. 


Most Important Video You 

Will Ever See. . . Lindsey 

Williams - The Energy Non- 

Crisis 

Created by: ATSGUY on October 3, flags: 14, replies: 52 

MOST IMPORTANT VIDEO YOU WILL EVER SEE. . . 

Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis 

Quote 

Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis - 

People this is probably the most important video you 

will ever see, it may be even more important than 

zeitgeist. All the questions you have had, all the 

conspiracy topics that have been created (except the 

alien one) come out and get put into place in this 

video. . . 

just to give you a little detail about it 

" 

"Lindsey Williams, who has been an ordained Baptist 

minister for 28 years, went to Alaska in 1971 as a 

missionary. The Transalaska oil pipeline began its 

construction phase in 1974, and because of Mr. 

Williams' love for his country and concern for the 

spiritual welfare of the "pipeliners," he volunteered to 

serve as Chaplain on the pipeline, with the subsequent 

full support of the Alyeska Pipeline Company. 

Because of the executive status accorded to him as 

Chaplain, he was given access to information 

documented in his eye opening book, The Energy 

Non-Crisis. 

After numerous public speaking engagements in the 

western states, certain government officials and 

concerned individuals urged Mr. Williams to put into 

print what he saw and heard, stating that they felt this 

information was vital to national security. Mr. Williams 

firmly believes that whoever controls energy controls 

the economy. Thus, The Energy Non-Crisis. " 

" 


I never realized how deep the rabbit hole is until i saw 

this video, and it is probably deeper than that. . . 

please watch and spread the word. . . 

PART 1 


parts 1-8 



[edit on 3/10/2007 by Mirthful Me] 


SSSC "Darkness Hold Me" 

Created by: AccessDenied on October 6, flags: 14, replies: 

39 

DARKNESS HOLD ME 

" In the real world,as in dreams,nothing is really what it 

seems. " 

Dean Koontz- The Book of Counted Sorrows 

Running again. So tired,so out of breath. They are 

coming. In the moonlight he can see figures,behind the 

branches,just in the corner of his eye. He turns fully 

around,and sees nothing. Just trees,branches 

scraping against one another,leaves falling all around 

from the chilly autumn wind. He knows they are there. 

Watching him. Waiting. He wants to move,but fear is a 

paralyzing force. Where to go. . . He looks around. 

No lights,no signs of civilization. Just dense forest. . . 

and them, wherever they are. Dark shadows stalking 

him like prey. 

Heart pounding,chest heaving with every breath,it 

takes all his willpower to make his legs move, to 

anywhere,away,where they cannot get him. 

But it starts again. The whispers,the voices like dialing 

through radio stations,barely audible at first,so many of 

them garbled inside his head. He covers his ears in a 

feeble attempt to block them out,even though he 

knows it did not work before,and it will not work now. 

"LEAVE ME ALONE!" he screams in vain at the 

phantoms. "What do you want from me PLEASE, 

JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!" 

Running again, he stumbles and falls. Pain shooting 

through his wrist. The voices are louder now. . . too 

loud. . . screaming inside his head. . . . 

Jay sits bolt upright in bed,shaking,clutching his wrist. 

Emily staring at him. 

"Another nightmare baby" she asks sleepily,yet 

concerned. 

"God, my wrist feels like it's sprained!" He is 

inconsolable. Tears running down his face,and sweat 

pouring off his entire body. The remnant of fear. 

She leads him to the bathroom and using a washcloth 

and cold water,wipes his face and neck. So cooling,so 

soothing,breathing calmer now. His wrist was still 

throbbing. 

"They were chasing me again. . . and I fell. . in my 

dream. . . why does it hurt for real"He was getting 

worked up again. Trying to rationalize what just 

happened and what was still happening. 

"Calm down Jay,just a nightmare OKYou must have 

hit your wrist on the nightstand or something. Please 

just calm down. " Emily was trying to comfort him,but 

her concern was growing. " I'll go make us some 

breakfast. " 

He could tell that she was almost as scared as he 

was,but she would not show it. That was not her way. 

His Emily,the strongest woman he had ever met. That 

is why he fell for her in the first place. She always 

seemed to be his rock. All he could do was listen to 

her, and try to believe. But so vivid. . . so terrifying. 

How could that just be a dream And why again,three 

nights in a row. But so much more detail this time. 

Too much stress perhapsFull time university,part-time 

job + girlfriend=stress. Grabbing some Tylenol from 

the cabinet,he took a deep breath and headed to the 

kitchen for a glass of water. It was then that he noticed 

the mud,the grass,the moss stuck between his toes. 

Stepping back,he returned the pills to the cabinet,and 

turned on the shower. Hot steam quickly filling the 

room like a sauna. 

Looking down at his feet in the shower,watching the 

bits of green plants,and brown sand wash down the 

drain. . . he began shaking again. There has to be a 

rational explanation for this. He was thinking out 

loud,while a dozen thoughts ran through his mind. 

Was it possible that he was sleepwalking and having a 

nightmare at the same timeHe had not heard of such 

a thing. But it could be possible. . . . couldn't itMy 

God,it had to be. But he had never been a sleepwalker 

or had dreams like that in his life. Ever. However it did 

seem like the most logical explanation. He decided 

that to calm his nerves,it would be best to just accept 

that indeed,he had been sleepwalking while 

dreaming . He also decided it was best not to tell 

Emily, just yet. He promised himself to do some 

research later. Of course the biggest questions still 

remained in his mind. Where did I go and how did I get 

back in bed 

Stepping out of the shower,he felt much better. Still 

tired though. He felt as if these last three nights he had 


not slept at all. His image in the mirror confirmed as 

such. Dark circles under bloodshot eyes. Good thing 

he didn't have classes today,or theprofessors may 

think he had been partying all night. His wrist was still 

tender. So he grabbed the bottle of Tylenol again,put 

on his robe,and went downstairs. 

The enticing aroma of fresh brewed coffee reached his 

nose as he hit the bottom step. Emily was making 

toast. 

"Better now honey" She smiled at him with thatplayful 

little smile that always made his heart skip a beat. 

"Yeah, I'm OK. "He sounded more like he was trying to 

convince himself rather than her. 

"I'm so glad. "She gave him a hug,then went about 

finishing breakfast for the two of them. 

No classes today,but he still had to work. He hated his 

job. . . . . but bills had to be paid. Everyday he told 

himself he would look for something better. But he 

never did. 

Stepping outside,the day was gray and overcast. 

Perhaps the wind was blowing in a little drizzle too. 

Just the type of day to suit his mood. The restaurant 

was a 20 minute walk from home,and so he began as 

always,his trek towards the job from hell. Being a 

dishwasher sucks. . big time. 

There were very few people on the street. Probably 

due to the weather,and preparing for parties tonight. 

Emily so had her heart set on this party tonight. It had 

been awhile since they had gone out and had fun. Too 

much to do between work and school and no time for 

anything else. Perhaps they would have a good time 

tonight,and he would forget about his bad dreams. 

Work went slowly as always. The day drags on and 

minutes seem like hours. Jay felt exhausted and not 

sure if he would have the energy to dress up and go 

out tonight. But he would anyway. . . for Emily. 

Emily paraded into the bedroom giggling. . . . 

"Don't you just love it"she questioned Jay about her 

costume,a sexy black cat. 

"Baby,you know I'd love you in anything. "he wrapped 

his arms around her waist and kissed her gently. She 

pushed him away. 

"C'mon,you aren't even dressed yet and we are going 

to be late!" 

He sighed loudly. So tired. Damn nightmares. 

Completely ridiculous. That is how he felt in this outfit. 

Thinking with the tired look on his face a zombie 

costume would have been more appropriate. Oh well. 

It's just for one night. He could deal with that. Besides 

he was sure he was not the only one who would be 

feeling silly. He was wearing the camo pants and 

jacket that Emily had bought from the Army surplus 

store. He would have loved the combat boots to 

complete the outfit,but they were much to expensive. 

Emily called up from the bottom of the stairs, 

"C'mon Jay,we gotta go now,or we will miss the bus!" 

Taking one last glance in the mirror,he trudged 

downstairs to join Emily who was already halfway out 

the door. 

Monster Mash could be heard blaring halfway up the 

street,as well as shouts and laughter. 

"Sounds like they got started early. "Jay mused to 

Emily. 

"You know these guys," Emily laughed while she 

spoke" They have probably been drinking since noon. 

" 

They walked up the lawn amidst many people,some 

they recognized,some not. All were in costume. 

Kicking a couple of beer cans away from the door,they 

stepped inside. The music was so loud that Jay could 

barely hear Emily speaking to him and pointing to the 

kitchen. They made their way through the 

crowd,waving and sending greetings to a few people 

on the way. 

In the kitchen were their closest friends. Paula and 

Rob,the hosts of the party. And Lynn and Kevin, good 

friends since high school and had been a couple for as 

long as Jay could remember. 

At least they could hear each other speak in here. Jay 

walked over to the fridge and pulled out two bottles of 

beer for himself and Emily. 

The evening went well. Jay felt himself relax. Enjoying 

the atmoshere, the numbing of the alcohol,and the 

company of friends. He was laughing and having a 

great time. Even forgetting the thoughts that plagued 

him earlier in the day. 

Apparently,they were enjoying themselves too much. 

Looking at the clock,they realized they had just missed 

the last bus. Emily suggested they call a taxi,but Jay 

reminded her that with the rent due in two days,a $ 30. 

fare was not in the budget. Looking around at the 

passed out bodies all over the house made staying an 

unlikely option. 

"Hey,why don't you guys crash at our place It's quite 

a walk by the streets, but we know a shortcut through 

the bush. " 


Jay and Emily looked at one another,and nodded in 

agreement. 

Outside the crowd had dispersed somewhat,leaving 

the front lawn a mess of beer cans bottles,pizza 

boxes,and cigarette packages. Jay made a mental 

note to come over the next day to help with the clean 

up. 

A light fog had settled all around,and the moon though 

not full helped to illuminate the dimly lit street. Many 

homes were decorated for trick or treaters the 

following night. Bales of hay,pumpkins,and corn stalks 

were everywhere. As if on cue they heard the shriek of 

a bat and watched it fly past. No other sound could be 

heard but their footsteps. Emily shivered in her skimpy 

costume,so Jay removed his jacket and placed it 

around her,wrapping his arm around her shoulders as 

well. She placed her head against his arm,and he 

smiled as they continued towards the dead end of the 

street. 

[edit on 6-10-2007 by AccessDenied] 


FBI Puts Antiwar Protesters 

on Criminal Database; 

Canada Uses It To Ban 

Protesters From Entry 

Created by: AllSeeingI on October 7, flags: 14, replies: 33 


"Two well-respected US peace activists, CODEPINK 

and Global Exchange cofounder Medea Benjamin and 

retired Col. & diplomat Ann Wright, were denied entry 

into Canada On OCT 3rd. The women were headed 

to Toronto to discuss peace and security issues at the 

invitation of the Toronto Stop the War Coalition. At the 

Buffalo-Niagara Falls Bridge they were detained, 

questioned and denied entry. 



Conspiracy against the black 

race 

Created by: Skyfloating on October 8, flags: 14, replies: 397 

I am a whitey with some question-marks in my mind on 

the subject of black people. There are some questions 

I would like to explore in this thread and learn about 

myself. Through listening to a lot of uplifting music by 

blacks in the last decade (reggae, gospel, soul, jazz, 

hip hop, blues, ethno) it seems to me that in some 

areas blacks are more spiritually mature than whites. 

But there seems to be an uncurrent or a subtle 

consensus in the world that being black is associated 

with poverty, crime and non-education. Why is this Is 

it a conspiracy 

There is evidence of a high culture of black people in 

ancient times (olmec statues, african kings, ancient 

egyptian blacks). Why has this history been 

supressed 

Was africa relatively peaceful and prosperous (in their 

way and culturally) before colonization began 

Is there a conspiracy by whites to start wars so that 

weapons can be sold (an insider told me this is the 

case) 

Why, after whites have exploited and enslaved africa 

financially and physically are now the Chinese allowed 

to do the same 

Why is there hardly any improvement in Africas 

welfare although the problems and their solutions have 

been obvious since a long time 

Have black leaders such as Malcom X, M. L. King and 

maybe even some music artists been assasinated by 

whites 

Is there a conspiracy regarding jewellery trade 

Has the hatred of some white people fueled deliberate 

attempts at subversion of black culture 

I hereby pass the topic on to more expert posters. 

Update: Thread Re-Start 

The Conspiracy-Theory as it refers to Africa: 

World leaders know that it is better to teach how to fish 

instead of giving people fish for free (and making them 

dependent). Still, most of the times they choose to 

give the fish for free rather than teaching about boats, 

fishing rods and fishing techniques. 

Knowing this and not acting according to it = 

conspiracy. 

I will stick to this for now and accept the rest of my 

opening post as insufficient or inconclusive. 

[edit on 8-10-2007 by Skyfloating] 



Alex Jones' ENDGAME just 

released on GVID!! 

Created by: sp00n1 on October 26, flags: 14, replies: 87 

Check it out!! Endgame has been released onto GVID 

for free!! 

Alex Jones' latest documentary covers the global 

elite's plans to drastically reduce the global population 

and install a one-world government. This 

documentary delves into the motives and methods 

employed by the new world order to implement their 

plans. It shows how the media is nothing more than a 

corporate mouthpiece used to keep the public 

ignorant. 

It's amazing how much detail and depth is covered in 

this dramatic new film!! 

This film avoids both 9/11 and 'the illuminati' in order to 

focus more on groups such as The Bilderbergers. 

Video Link:http://video. google. com/videoplay 

docid=1070329053600562261 

(visit the thread to view linked videos) 

[edit on 27-10-2007 by UM_Gazz] 


Aristotle Set Back Science 

For Around 2,000 Years 

Created by: Grock on October 30, flags: 14, replies: 57 

Aristotle may have been a genius when it came to 

philosophy - especially logic - but he didnt know squat 

about science. Sure, we cant excel in every field we 

try our hand in, but Aristotles massive errors arent just 

a personal embarrassment to him - they directly 

hampered scientific progress for close to 2,000 years. 

The problem is that from the time he was alive (the 

fourth century BC) until the Enlightenment, when 

Aristotle said something, that was the end of the 

arguement. Isaac Asimov notes, perhaps with a tinge 

of jealousy: "No matter who disagreed with them, even 

other philosophers, Aristotle's ideas - whether right or 

wrong - usually won out. " Chemist John Appeldoorn 

writes that "Aristotle's teachings were unquestioned. 

After eighteen centuries, universities accepted them as 

if they had been written in stone. " 

For example, Aristotle didnt believe that plants were 

divided into male and female sexes, so there the 

matter stood for two millennia, until botanists stated 

the obvious in the 1700's. 

He was also wrong about inertia, and again the world 

had to wait - this time for Galileo, followed by Newton - 

to speak the truth that objects in motion stay in motion, 

while objects at rest stay at rest, unless acted upon by 

outside forces. 

Like most Greeks, Aristotle championed the view that 

the Sun and planets revolved around the Earth. 

Copernicus (in the early 1500's) and Galileo (100 

years later) had to risk their reputations and their 

LIVES to put the kibosh on that nonsense. 

He further surmised that outer space was made up of 

54 spheres and that there were only seven heavenly 

bodies, which were fixed and unchanging. This 

meant, that for one thing, that comets had to be in 

Earth's atmosphere. Only in 1577 was this notion put 

out to pasture. Over the next 50 years, belief in the 

heavenly spheres faded. . . 

Aristotle declared that heavier objects fall faster than 

lighter ones, an error that couldve been exposed with 

simple experiments. It wasnt until 1,900 years later 

that Galileo dropped objects off the tower of Pisa, 

proving that all things obey gravity at the same rate. 

I'll say that again - One Thousand Nine Hundred years 

later. . . . By that time, Galileo already had been 

kicked out of the University of Pisa for daring to 

question Aristotle's theory!!! 

Some Greeks, including Democritus and Hippocrates, 

surmised that the brain was the seat of thought, 

intelligence, and emotion. Tish-tosh, said Aristotle, its 

the heart - and that became the accepted wisdom. 

Aristotle wrote: "The brain is an organ of minor 

importance, perhaps necessary to cool the blood. " 

Because Greek physicians primarily held braincentered 

views, that remained a strong undercurrent, 

yet Aristotle's heart view dominated until the1500's. . . 

should I say that again dominated until the FIFTEEN 

HUNDREDS. . . !!! 

A fellow Greek philosopher, Democritus (from which 

we get democracy), postulated that the physical world 

was made up of tiny places of matter, which he called 

atoms. But Aristotle pooh-poohed this rediculous 

notion, causing it to languish in obscurity until the 

second half of the 1600's. . . (do I need to say that 

again Sixteen Hundreds) when scientists began to 

resurrect it. It wasnt until the first years of the 1800's 

that the existence of atoms was universally accepted. 

Who knows how much further science would've 

progressed if Aristotle had stuck to syllogisms 



Police Can Disable New Cars 

on Demand 

Created by: kleverone on October 11, flags: 13, replies: 85 


"General Motors plans to equip 1. 7 million of its 2009 

models with a system that allows OnStar operators to 

cut engine power in the car if the police request it. The 

system was demonstrated in Washington, D. C. today. 



High-Fructose Corn Syrup -- 

Another Poison in Common 

Foods 

Created by: anhinga on October 15, flags: 13, replies: 116 

After starting the Aspartame thread about an important 

health issue, I thought to start another one on this 

topic. 


good information to start w/ on this subject. The 

content is about a lawsuit regarding if something is allnatural. 

The heart of the matter deals w/ how high-fructose 

corn syrup (HFCS) is used to fatten up people w/ no 

end in sight, let alone the addictive nature of the stuff. 

"In his groundbreaking book FatLand, Greg Critser 

breaks down exactly how HFCS is metabolized by the 

human body. In short, because our bodies have 

absolutely no way of understanding this highly 

engineered substance…they convert it into storage 

material and chuck it away…hence we are fattened 

up. 

The explanation goes like this: glucose molecules, 

which are the building blocks of sucrose, can be 

metabolized (used, eaten) by any and every cell in the 

human body. This is not so with Fructose. It has to be 

metabolized through the liver. Hence, your liver ends 

up releasing triglycerides into your bloodstream and 

generally has trouble dealing with this weird 

substance. " 

That's a (links removed, visit the thread for external 

references) 

At the aspartame thread, I noticed people having all 

sorts of withdrawal, side effects and horror stories just 

from diet sodas. The problem is, these poisons are in 

all sodas, aside from ones that are all-natural. . . . 


potential cause of diabetes in some. 

Some of the posts (links removed, visit the thread for 

external references) were eye-opening: "A single 12 oz. 

can of soda contains the equivalent of 10 teaspoons of 

sugar and over three times the calories of a serving of 

chicken noodle soup. If you serve a child Campbell's 

chicken noodle soup and an A&W root beer for lunch, 

that child is getting over 3/4 of his calories from 

HFCS--and that's a typical meal for American kids. 

They may even have two sodas, some "fruit snacks," 

and an ice cream. Maybe mom will cook some Kraft 

macaroni and cheese, thinking the kids haven't gotten 

enough "food" in their fat little stomaches. 

We need to demonize HFCS. It's junk food. Nonnutritional 

poison. There is no good reason anyone 

should be drinking or eating it. 

You don't see an obesity problem in North Korea. Do 

you know why The U. S. embargo doesn't allow 

them to import sugary sodas. 

It's time we impose an embargo on U. S. citizens. 

Ban the wholesale commercial distribution of junk food 

outright. " 

Lastly, here's (links removed, visit the thread for 

external references) obesity issue differently. 

Remember this is a common ingredient found in 

almost any food that's not health-conscious or organic. 

Check some of your labels around the house and start 

working to replace HFCS! 



Wow, has anyone ever seen 

these 

Created by: Impreza on October 27, flags: 13, replies: 49 

I found this video while searching the net and was 

taken by surprise when I saw what it had to offer. I 

didn't really believe what it was saying, I thought this 

must be some enhanced video that the author put up 

for fun, so I decided to check it out for myself. 

Well, I checked google maps and it was there, but I've 

only found one so far. If you want to view all the sites, 

I guess you'll have to look for them on google earth. 

Anyway, here's the video. 


And here's what I found on google maps. 


Any idea if this might be something else, perhaps It 

does resemble something like a chip or computer 

parts, but I can't be sure of that, either. 


Strange Object in Bat Photo 

Created by: librasleep on October 28, flags: 13, replies: 96 

A few months ago a friend of mine sent me this pic she 

took of a bat that was flying back and forth on a 

wooded path. She captured a strange glowing object 

in the pic. When I first looked at it I just quickly said 

it's a moth and that was that. I just looked at it again 

and noticed that there appears to be a shadow cast on 

the ground by the "moth" that appears to be bigger 

than an insect. Not sure if it's anything but I'll link it if 

you want to have a look. :up: 




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