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House Passes “Thought Crime” Prevention Bill<br />
October, 2007<br />
The 75 most important topics as defined by member-flagging,<br />
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Table of Contents For October, 2007<br />
1. House Passes "Thought Crime" Prevention Bill ........................................................................................... 1<br />
2. ATS Premium: How Could They Know That The Dogon Mystery. ................................................................ 1<br />
3. Ron Paul and the death of freespeech .......................................................................................................... 2<br />
4. A New Light In Our Sky .............................................................................................................................. 2<br />
5. Absolute Disclosure ..................................................................................................................................... 2<br />
6. Bush 'planted fake news stories on American TV' ......................................................................................... 3<br />
7. VIDEO: 911 Mysteries, Part 1: Demolitions .................................................................................................... 3<br />
8. "We are Gathering" ...................................................................................................................................... 3<br />
9. North American Union Police in California, have they arrived ...................................................................... 3<br />
10. On October 27th: 11 massive demonstrations for peace throughout the United States ................................. 4<br />
11. EFFECTIVE TODAY 07 October, 2007 (Reptillian threads) ............................................................................. 4<br />
12. a very real conspiracy .................................................................................................................................. 4<br />
13. NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable ........................................................................... 4<br />
14. Ex-Mexican prez: Yes, there will be an amero ............................................................................................... 5<br />
15. Slaves to Credit -- Giving Up Your Life One Loan at a Time. ........................................................................... 5<br />
16. Remember, Remember the 5th of November: Your Revolution! .................................................................... 7<br />
17. Ron Paul just reshaped History, as the Conspiracy against him went into Defcon4 ....................................... 7<br />
18. The Shocking Video Hillary does NOT want you to See!! .............................................................................. 9<br />
19. I rented Hell House!!!!! .................................................................................................................................. 9<br />
20. Fireball movie clip (coast to coast). . ..........................................................................................................<br />
10<br />
21. Soldier warns "Investigate if I die" then is found dead. ................................................................................ 10<br />
22. NASA UFO STS-120 External Fuel Tank ...................................................................................................... 10<br />
23. December 23rd, 2007 *<strong>Secret</strong> Illuminati Timeline* ....................................................................................... 10<br />
24. How to shapeshift yourself ......................................................................................................................... 10<br />
25. Interaction with the Spirit World .................................................................................................................. 11<br />
26. Anomaly on Mars: weird object .................................................................................................................. 12<br />
27. Obscure Comet Brightens Suddenly ......................................................................................................... 12<br />
28. FEMA Workers Masquerade As Reporters, Fakes News Conference .......................................................... 13<br />
29. "The Lincoln County Witch. ".....................................................................................................................<br />
13<br />
30. High-Definition Video of Earth Shot From Space ........................................................................................ 13<br />
31. Chemtrails: Debunking the Peristent Contrail myth ..................................................................................... 13<br />
32. When A Conspiracy Shakes Up Your Life ................................................................................................... 14<br />
33. Our 3 dimensions will become 4 and time goes bye bye.............................................................................<br />
14<br />
34. Australia to build HAARP facility. ................................................................................................................ 14<br />
35. Interpol need help to identify this man *Sex offender* [UPDATE] ................................................................ 16<br />
36. Police Catch Man Setting Fire In SoCal!! ..................................................................................................... 16<br />
37. Burma: Thousands dead in massacre of the monks dumped in the jungle ................................................. 16
38. ATS led to one of the Biggest Conspiracies Ever ........................................................................................ 16<br />
39. Mysterious lights spark UFO scare ............................................................................................................. 18<br />
40. Alien Creatures In Space! ........................................................................................................................... 18<br />
41. Next cabal phase: use alien tech against us...............................................................................................<br />
18<br />
42. White House Leak: Cheney's Plan for Iran Attack Starts With Israeli Missile Strike ...................................... 20<br />
43. Aliens Are Real-Naturally! So Why The Fuss And Skepticism About UFO’s .............................................. 20<br />
44. American Conspiracy: Why Does the World Hate Us - Is The Hate Planned or Earned ............................ 22<br />
45. All UK Telephone Calls and Text Messages to be Logged ........................................................................... 23<br />
46. Columbia brought down by a UFO weapon .............................................................................................. 24<br />
47. Paris latest Ufo sighting was real with Nasa Proof ...................................................................................... 24<br />
48. -- A Look at the SIMPLE MIND of the Debunker --........................................................................................<br />
24<br />
49. Graham Hancock Interview - ATS MIX Show 52..........................................................................................<br />
25<br />
50. Please help, my mom is in a coverup/conspiracy ....................................................................................... 25<br />
51. Reptilian Shapeshifter Hysteria! ................................................................................................................. 26<br />
52. UFOs Seen Streaking Across The Moon! .................................................................................................... 27<br />
53. aliens are NOT real ..................................................................................................................................... 27<br />
54. An Animated Gif you can manipulate with your mind. ................................................................................. 27<br />
55. Nationwide Revolt Against Dangerous Vaccines Accelerates ..................................................................... 27<br />
56. END The Alex Jones GAME ....................................................................................................................... 27<br />
57. Watch Springer On Discovery Channel's "Alien Hot Spots" Documentary .................................................. 29<br />
58. UFO question asked at Democratic Debate Tonight ................................................................................... 29<br />
59. Crashed drug plane owned by US Government ........................................................................................ 30<br />
60. Tax Protester Ed Brown Being Gassed and Tortured In Prison ................................................................... 30<br />
61. Russians employed at Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor suddenly depart in a body, according to local Ar ...... 30<br />
62. The Hologram Theory is dead .................................................................................................................... 30<br />
63. MSNBC report on Border incursion Oct 18 2007 ......................................................................................... 31<br />
64. Chicago Police Executes Man On Video No Charges ................................................................................. 31<br />
65. We live in a Zero Tolerance Society ............................................................................................................ 31<br />
66. Most Important Video You Will Ever See. . . Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis ................................ 32<br />
67. SSSC "Darkness Hold Me".........................................................................................................................<br />
33<br />
68. FBI Puts Antiwar Protesters on Criminal Database; Canada Uses It To Ban Protesters From Entry ............. 35<br />
69. Conspiracy against the black race ............................................................................................................ 35<br />
70. Alex Jones' ENDGAME just released on GVID!! .......................................................................................... 36<br />
71. Aristotle Set Back Science For Around 2,000 Years .................................................................................... 36<br />
72. Police Can Disable New Cars on Demand ................................................................................................... 37<br />
73. High-Fructose Corn Syrup -- Another Poison in Common Foods ................................................................ 37<br />
74. Wow, has anyone ever seen these ........................................................................................................... 38<br />
75. Strange Object in Bat Photo ....................................................................................................................... 38
House Passes "Thought Crime"<br />
Prevention Bill<br />
Created by: SimiusDei on October 26, flags: 62, replies: 207<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"The definition of violent radicalization uses vague<br />
language to define this term of promoting any belief<br />
system that the government considers to be an<br />
extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn’t specifically<br />
define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely<br />
up to the interpretation of the government.<br />
Considering how much the government has done to<br />
destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron<br />
Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief<br />
system. "(visit the link for the full news article)<br />
Related News Links:<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311314/pg1<br />
ATS Premium: How Could They<br />
Know That The Dogon<br />
Mystery.<br />
Created by: NGC2736 on October 12, flags: 58, replies: 85<br />
ATS Premium article by member NGC2736<br />
October 12, 2007<br />
About sixty years ago, two French anthropologists<br />
ventured into the wilds of west Africa to study the<br />
natives there. They found the Dogon People along the<br />
the great Bandiagara Clffs. A people only a few steps<br />
past the stone age.<br />
But they also recorded a mystery. In these people that<br />
lived in what was then great isolation, they found<br />
knowledge of the planets, and how they move.<br />
Knowledge of the stars that need a telescope to see.<br />
Knowledge that wasn't confirmed until 1970!<br />
How did these people that call themselves the conduit<br />
between Earth and Heaven know what could not be<br />
seen with the naked eye How could they hold in their<br />
religion ideas said to be thousands of years old, when<br />
the western world was just finding these things<br />
Or maybe a better question might be to ask, who told<br />
them the mysteries of the heavens<br />
In the 1938s two French anthropologists, Marcel<br />
Griaule and Germain Dieterlen, went into the wilds of<br />
west Africa to study the indigenous tribes. In Mali they<br />
came across a tribe called the Dogon, living near the<br />
present day city of Bandiagara, in the Mopti region.<br />
Living as quasi-cliff dwellers, much like the Anasazi of<br />
North America, they were an athropological gold mine.<br />
In their past the slavers had came, the Fulani, the<br />
Ghana, the Mossi, even the Muslims. But the Dogon<br />
had endured along the foot of the great Bandiagara<br />
Cliffs. Their art tells of a sensitive people, their lives<br />
bound in spirituality. In wood and sometimes iron, they<br />
speak of life and death, hope and beauty. Religion,<br />
then as now, is as much a part of their lives as the blue<br />
of the sky and the hardness of the earth. Their oral<br />
history is their religion, and in it's richness lies the<br />
mystery.<br />
The things told to these two outsiders back in the<br />
1930s were astounding, especially for that day and<br />
age, and from that remote a people. Their oral history<br />
told of the correct motion of the near planets, and of<br />
the moons of Jupiter. They spoke of the rings of<br />
Saturn, and of the star Sirius. How could they know<br />
that it had an invisible companion, a fact scarcely<br />
known to most Europians even then How could they<br />
know it's true orbital length of 50 years And how<br />
could they have all this in their thousands year old oral<br />
history<br />
Because, they said, these things had been told to<br />
them by the Nommos, beings that looked something<br />
like fish, and came to earth in a spinning ship that<br />
landed with great noise. The Nommos said they were<br />
from another star in the Sirius system, neither the one<br />
they could see in the night sky, nor the companion.<br />
The Dogon called the craft an "ark", and thought these<br />
beings were gods. And so they must have seemed,<br />
for the oral history of the Dogon was said to be over<br />
5000 years old. A time when godswere common.<br />
But even then the western world knew most of these<br />
things. Maybe not widely, but known nonetheless.<br />
Could these backward people have heard of these<br />
strange things and incorperated them into their myths<br />
in the near past Could this just be a case where<br />
science became myth overnight to a group that were<br />
easily swayed Was this akin to the "cargo cults" that<br />
came later in other places<br />
Well, there was one more thing. The Nommos had<br />
said that their home was the third star system of Sirius.<br />
Science has found Sirius B, and photographed it in<br />
1970. As early as the 1840s it had been suspected,<br />
due to the wobble of Sirius A. Now flash forward to<br />
1995. Daniel Benest and J. L. Duvent publish a paper<br />
in the prestigous journal "Astronomy and Astrophysics"<br />
called "Is Sirius a Triple Star"<br />
According to this realitively new research, the wobble<br />
of Sirius A cannot be accounted for by Sirius B alone,<br />
and there must be another star in the system. Those<br />
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who say that oral histories are not reliable, and that<br />
there must have been cross contamination, will have a<br />
very hard time explaing this if it is found to be true by<br />
our new breed of telescopes. Long before anyone<br />
dreamed of a Sirius C, the Dogon told of a spinning<br />
ship that feel to earth from the third star of the Sirius<br />
system.<br />
Either it's true, or the Dogon have a knack for<br />
guessing that is way above average. You decide, and<br />
while you do, watch the science world for news of<br />
Sirius C, home star of the Nommos.<br />
Related Links:<br />
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[edit on 14-10-2007 by sanctum]<br />
[edit on 10-14-2007 by William One Sac]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308383/pg1<br />
Ron Paul and the death of<br />
freespeech<br />
Created by: titorite on October 18, flags: 58, replies: 112<br />
The need for freespeech is fundamental to a free<br />
soceity. A nation can lose its guns, it social programs,<br />
its army, but as long as it retains its right to<br />
communicate freely it will remain free. This is<br />
essentail when it comes to Political speech.<br />
At first I thought this was fluke. It is not. Whatever<br />
Ron Paul had to say for a 9 second response was so<br />
poweful that some force has gone across the net and<br />
removed his words. 6 minutes into this interview a<br />
question is asked but the response is edited out with a<br />
D. O. D graphic in its place.<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
And in this video it is simply choped out at 6 minutes.<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
If you can find what he said please post it. I am not<br />
sure if you know about the Strategic Communication<br />
Laboratory but it is a real entity. www. scl. cc If you<br />
are an american you should be up in arms. Once we<br />
lose free speech the camps are next.<br />
[edit on 18-10-2007 by titorite]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread309690/pg1<br />
A New Light In Our Sky<br />
Created by: Vikturtle on October 29, flags: 56, replies: 185<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Some have suggested that the reason for Comet<br />
Holmes sudden brightening means it was impacted by<br />
an asteroid or that NASA shot an explosive device into<br />
it as they did with the Tempel Comet in 2005. Many<br />
are questioning the coincidence of the Space Shuttle<br />
launch ocurring within hours of the sudden change in<br />
appearance of the comet. And others have implied<br />
that sending a comet into the earth, and guiding it as<br />
was practiced with Comet Tempel, would achieve the<br />
New World Order agenda of depopulation without the<br />
messiness of a nuclear bomb.<br />
"(visit the link for the full news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread312002/pg1<br />
Absolute Disclosure<br />
Created by: aceace on October 24, flags: 48, replies: 202<br />
Press release (I assume its ok to post this in full)<br />
"<br />
Dear Colleague,<br />
My name is Cheryll Jones, former news anchor at<br />
CNN.<br />
I have a news alert I think you, as a member of fourth<br />
estate in these very troubled times, will appreciate.<br />
Think of it as a “heads up” on what might become one<br />
of the most important stories of the coming months.<br />
At 9:00 AM, Tuesday, October 30, 2007, at the<br />
National Press Club in Washington DC, The Enterprise<br />
Mission – a private research and public policy group –<br />
will hold a press briefing in the NPC Zenger Room.<br />
The subject: Why is NASA Determined to Launch<br />
Space Shuttle “Discovery” October 23rd, Despite<br />
NASA Engineering and Safety Center Warnings NOT<br />
to Launch<br />
Has NASA Learned NOTHING from the Previous<br />
Schedule-Driven Disasters of Challenger and<br />
Columbia<br />
Are Classified NASA Lunar Findings <strong>Secret</strong>ly<br />
Pressuring the Aging Shuttle Program to Completion<br />
by 2010, to Make Way for “Constellation” -- and the<br />
New “Space Race” to the Moon "<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
[edit on 24-10-2007 by elevatedone]<br />
[edit on 24-10-2007 by elevatedone]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310956/pg1<br />
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Bush 'planted fake news<br />
stories on American TV'<br />
Created by: jhill76 on October 15, flags: 45, replies: 63<br />
FTA:<br />
Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of<br />
American television stations for broadcasting items<br />
produced by the Bush administration and major<br />
corporations, and passing them off as normal news.<br />
Some of the fake news segments talked up success in<br />
the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies' products. "<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
This is something new, never heard of this one before.<br />
More evidence, showing the Administrations clever<br />
tactics on American minds.<br />
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replaced quote with 'ex' tags<br />
[edit on 15/10/07 by masqua]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308975/pg1<br />
VIDEO: 911 Mysteries, Part 1:<br />
Demolitions<br />
Created by: SkepticOverlord on October 25, flags: 45,<br />
replies: 82<br />
911 MYSTERIES is a careful deconstruction of the<br />
official story set alongside clean, clear science. It is<br />
ninety-minutes of pure demolition evidence and<br />
analysis, laced with eye-opening witness testimonials.<br />
The 9/11 picture is not one of politics or nationalism or<br />
loyalty, but one of strict and simple physics: How do<br />
you get a 10-second 110-story pancake collapse<br />
This is the film that might actually reach out to<br />
mainstream America. No agenda. No finger-pointing.<br />
Just the facts and "mysteries. " Look at that. Think<br />
about this. It is a story of people: Willie Rodriguez's<br />
recollection of strange noises on the 34th floor. Who<br />
was up there bumping around Scott Forbes' similar<br />
story just weeks before the towers fell.<br />
This is also the story of blasting itself: hnow shaped<br />
charges are placed to slice through steel beams,<br />
controlling the way a building falls.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
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Visit the (links removed, visit the thread for external<br />
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Link to thread: . . . thread311271/pg1<br />
"We are Gathering"<br />
Created by: menguard on October 22, flags: 42, replies: 559<br />
I would like to know how many have recieved this<br />
message<br />
I would like to know what you think about this internal<br />
stimuli<br />
What do you think it means<br />
And what will it portray in the future<br />
I personally recieved this message four or more<br />
months ago.<br />
I would like to hear those explanations by people who<br />
have also had this Internal Stimuli go off in there<br />
(neurological-net transmissions).<br />
It was like a (Group transference) of people sending<br />
out this call all into ONE VOICE.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310530/pg1<br />
North American Union Police<br />
in California, have they<br />
arrived<br />
Created by: ModernAcademia on October 2, flags: 41,<br />
replies: 120<br />
Tell me people, what in the world is<br />
this<br />
EVERYONE FLAG THIS THREAD IMMEDIATELY!<br />
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLEEEE<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
If they are not the NAU Police then why do they have<br />
an North American Patch on their uniform<br />
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IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Los Angeles CA, Protesters in<br />
Lynnwood CA; Never before has this occurred.<br />
Minutemen and Mexican Nationals join forces to<br />
condemn former Mexican president Fox. <strong>Secret</strong><br />
unmarked police showed up with North American<br />
Union patches on their shoulders and 9MM hand guns<br />
on their sides<br />
How come I can't find anything about them on the<br />
internet<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306503/pg1<br />
On October 27th: 11 massive<br />
demonstrations for peace<br />
throughout the United States<br />
Created by: Copernicus on October 25, flags: 41, replies:<br />
112<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"On Saturday, October 27th there will be 11 massive<br />
demonstrations for peace throughout the United<br />
States. In Boston, Chicago, Jonesborough,<br />
Tennessee, Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York City,<br />
Orlando, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, San Francisco,<br />
and Seattle, people from all walks of life will join<br />
together to express their anti-war sentiments and to<br />
call for an immediate end to the conflict in Iraq. "(visit<br />
the link for the full news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311203/pg1<br />
EFFECTIVE TODAY 07 October,<br />
2007 (Reptillian threads)<br />
Created by: Springer on October 7, flags: 37, replies: 174<br />
After much consideration and thought it has become<br />
evident that the "Reptilian Shape Shifter" craze has<br />
got out of hand in the Aliens/UFO Forum here on ATS.<br />
Since Reptilians are not technically "Aliens", they are<br />
certainly not UFOs and since the vast majority (if not<br />
all) of the "video evidence" is nothing more than lights<br />
reflecting on the glossy, spherical shape of the human<br />
eye and creating an elongated shadow that when<br />
viewed on a terribly pixelated, low resolution video<br />
appear to be something they are not, it is now ATS<br />
POLICY that these threads be started in the Skunk<br />
Works Forum.<br />
The Skunk Works Forum was created for exactly these<br />
sort of theories and or speculations.<br />
John Rhodes, one of our up and coming Conspiracy<br />
Masters, is working on the definitive series which will<br />
illustrate exactly how the light plays its trick when<br />
video taping a person in front of certain lighting<br />
configurations. I hope that work is coming sooner<br />
rather than later. :)<br />
In any case we have received many requests for<br />
something to be done and there is even a thread about<br />
the dissatisfaction with the situation as it currently<br />
exists so the new policy will take effect today.<br />
Springer. . .<br />
---------------------------<br />
Title edit for topic clarification<br />
[edit on 26/11/07 by masqua]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307475/pg1<br />
a very real conspiracy<br />
Created by: captainplanet on October 16, flags: 35, replies:<br />
74<br />
I found this video of Naomi Wolf on youtub:<br />
I don’t care if you believe in some nwo, illuminati,<br />
military take over, or none of it at all. You should all be<br />
able to agree with her. If you are an American than<br />
you owe it to yourself to take the time to watch and<br />
understand this video, because this is the REAL<br />
conspiracy. Freedom is a very rare thing, don’t be<br />
distracted from it.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread309357/pg1<br />
NIST Admits Total Collapse Of<br />
Twin Towers Unexplainable<br />
Created by: Black_Fox on October 16, flags: 34, replies:<br />
463<br />
Well I guess welcome to the club.<br />
Outside of Popular Mechanics :@@: nobody can<br />
really explain it.<br />
With all the possibilties being tried and debunked,is a<br />
controlled demolition becoming more likely<br />
"(PrisonPlanet)-The National Institute for Standards<br />
and Technology has been forced to admit that the total<br />
free-fall collapse of the twin towers cannot be<br />
explained after an exhaustive scientific study, implicitly<br />
acknowledging that controlled demolition is the only<br />
means by which the buildings could have come down.<br />
Full story here<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread309297/pg1<br />
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Ex-Mexican prez: Yes, there<br />
will be an amero<br />
Created by: SonicInfinity on October 9, flags: 33, replies:<br />
53<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"In an interview last night on CNN's "Larry King Live,"<br />
the former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox, confirmed<br />
the existence of a government plan to create the<br />
amero as a new regional currency to replace the U. S.<br />
dollar, the Canadian dollar and the Mexican Peso.<br />
It possibly was the first time a leader of Mexico,<br />
Canada or the U. S. openly confirmed a plan to create<br />
a regional currency. . . . "(visit the link for the full news<br />
article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307855/pg1<br />
Slaves to Credit -- Giving Up<br />
Your Life One Loan at a Time.<br />
Created by: SimiusDei on October 21, flags: 33, replies: 207<br />
Buying a home.<br />
Renting a home.<br />
Buying a car.<br />
Renting a car.<br />
Leasing a car.<br />
Getting a job.<br />
Getting electricity.<br />
Getting water.<br />
Getting cable.<br />
Getting telephone.<br />
Getting a checking account.<br />
Getting a savings account.<br />
The above list is just a sample of the things which<br />
require credit checks before "approval".<br />
In just over a decade, the American public has been<br />
virtually enslaved by credit. This day in age, you can't<br />
so much as get the power turned on in your home<br />
without a credit check. That is, if your credit score is<br />
good enough for you to have a home.<br />
Of course, you can always pay cash right Well,<br />
actually no, you can't. In some cases, businesses are<br />
actually turning away from cash sales in favor of credit<br />
sales. Why Because they stand to make a LOT more<br />
money off of you if you sign your name to a<br />
compounding interest contract. Then, not only do you<br />
pay them monthly, but if you run into a bit of hardship<br />
for a couple of months, they will take what they are<br />
"loaning" you right back and suck someone else into<br />
your old "contract". Even if this weren't the case, how<br />
many of you have an extra 100,000 in cash laying<br />
around the house to pay for a home<br />
But hey, the credit system is all good as long as you<br />
keep your credit score above a 725 (or what's<br />
considered the "good" range) right Sure, I suppose<br />
it's okay then. However, keeping your credit score in<br />
that range is a lot easier said than done. Let me tell<br />
you a story.<br />
I started building my credit from the day I turned 18. It<br />
certainly wasn't hard since I started receiving my credit<br />
card solicitations about 6 months beforehand. I tried<br />
to be smart with my credit. I would use my cards to<br />
buy only enough that I could pay off each month. And<br />
I did this for 4 years, never missing a payment.<br />
Needless to say, my credit score was PERFECT.<br />
I was in pretty good shape. A 22 year old kid with<br />
PERFECT credit and almost ZERO debt. Then, it<br />
happened. The job I was working at was put out of<br />
business by the evil empire (ie: Wal-mart). This just so<br />
happened right after I placed a 600. 00 charge on my<br />
card. But hey, it's no big deal right Just get another<br />
job and get your payments sent in. And that's exactly<br />
what I set out to do. Unfortunately, it seemed that Walmart<br />
was responsible for putting a few other<br />
businesses under as well and sending too many<br />
people out into the already oversaturated job market.<br />
Skip ahead 3 months.<br />
I have looked and looked and looked and NOTHING.<br />
It took every bit of money I could scrape together and<br />
borrow from friends/family to be able to pay my rent<br />
and keep a bit of food on the table, not to mention the<br />
other bills. So, needless to say, my credit card<br />
payments fell behind. It was then that I noticed<br />
something amazing.<br />
I went to the bank to apply for a small personal loan to<br />
keep me going until I could find another job. I went<br />
into the bank thinking I was a solid approval. After all,<br />
I had spent the past 4 years getting my credit score to<br />
perfect.<br />
Imagine my surprise when my application came back<br />
denied. I was in shock. I asked why I was turned<br />
down and was told that my credit score was too low. I<br />
didn't see how that could POSSIBLY be right.<br />
However, the officer showed me the report that came<br />
back and my score was now a 610 (minimum required<br />
for the loan without a cosigner as 675).<br />
I couldn't freaking believe it. I had busted my arse for<br />
the last 4 years building up my credit score and in 3<br />
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months time I lost almost every stitch of effort I had put<br />
into building my credit. And for what ONE LOUSY<br />
FREAKING CREDIT CARD AND A BAD LUCK<br />
STREAK.<br />
In 3 months time, I went from being a 22 year old kid<br />
that could get a 250k house on his own to a 22 year<br />
old kid that couldn't even get his power turned on<br />
without a deposit.<br />
And guess what It has only gotten worse since then.<br />
I spent the next 6 months of my life trying to get my<br />
score back up. I got a job and paid off my debt with<br />
my first 3 paychecks. Then, I went back to my old<br />
strategy of buying small and paying off each month<br />
and my credit score seemed to stay in the 600 range<br />
hell. No matter what I did, I couldn't seem to get the<br />
score back up. And guess what I STILL haven't<br />
gotten the score back up. As a matter of fact, as a<br />
result of the interest rates on my card<br />
SKYROCKETING as a result of that 3 months, my<br />
credit score has actually DROPPED because my<br />
having to make payments a bit late from time to time.<br />
Naturally, during this time I contemplated just dropping<br />
the card and going to cash only. However, this doesn't<br />
seem to be an option since I am not rich and can't<br />
afford to pay EVERYTHING in cash. So, here I<br />
remain, trapped in credit hell/limbo. And for what 3<br />
short months of hardship after 4 years of consistency.<br />
So, what does my credit score say about me All it<br />
says about me is that I have paid what I owe on time<br />
for all but a short 3 months several years ago.<br />
Yet, because of that 3 months oh so long ago, I can no<br />
longer get ANYTHING that requires credit without<br />
either a cosigner or a HUGE down payment.<br />
You want to know the really sad part<br />
My credit score is better than 72% of the country.<br />
That's right, I'm in the upper echelons of the credit<br />
world (based on a system of low/medium/high). Yet,<br />
for all intents and purposes, my credit SUCKS!<br />
Guess what else Those 3 months are also<br />
responsible for CONSTANT financial hardship since<br />
that time. So, in effect, that short time allowed the<br />
credit demons to put a hurtin on me that I still haven't<br />
recovered from. My bills are higher (in most cases), I<br />
have deposits that I can't afford, If I DO get approved<br />
for a necessity that payments must be made on, my<br />
interest rates almost DOUBLE the cost of the item(s)<br />
and I have bank fees that I would not have if my credit<br />
score was higher. I think it would be a loose estimate<br />
to say that my monthly expenses are 70% higher now<br />
that they would have been had it not been for that 3<br />
months.<br />
I have been very effectively enslaved by the credit<br />
mafia. I played by the rules and they still burnt me the<br />
first chance they got and they have been sticking it to<br />
me since then. And I think it's pretty safe to say that<br />
they are doing the same to you.<br />
Does anyone else remember that time (not so long<br />
ago) when your name and reputation factored into<br />
your ability to rent/own a home and car Now, it<br />
doesn't matter how well known you are. The owner of<br />
the Chrysler dealership could have raised you himself,<br />
yet, you aren't getting that car unless that beacon<br />
score is high enough to satisfy the loan officers.<br />
3 little numbers have taken almost complete control of<br />
our lifes, most especially the necessities of life.<br />
We all need a home and, if you work, a mode of<br />
transportation. Yet, you aren't getting either of these<br />
unless you have an 800 beacon score of a hell of a<br />
down payment. Not to mention all the little things<br />
(power, phone, cable) that go hand in hand with<br />
owning/renting a home.<br />
I feel it's pretty safe to say that the conspiracy of credit<br />
has been carried out VERY successfully.<br />
There is no avoiding it. Unless you want to live on the<br />
streets and risk jail time, harassment and/or death.<br />
Hell, you aren't even free to be self contained. As<br />
another member so greatly put it the other day, even if<br />
you were to buy your own land, build your house with<br />
your bare hands and provide your own electricity, food<br />
and water, you STILL cannot live without credit and/or<br />
money. Why Because you have to pay the taxes on<br />
that property or else the government swoops down<br />
and takes your land from you. And, this day in age,<br />
money (in any shape or form) goes hand in hand with<br />
credit.<br />
So how exactly do we live in a "free" country again I<br />
suppose we are free to live our lives as we choose,<br />
provided we are either rich of have a credit score of<br />
800 or more. If you don't fall into either of those<br />
categories, then there is a 99% chance you too are a<br />
slave to credit.<br />
And it's a hole so damn deep most of us will NEVER<br />
get out.<br />
Jasn<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310288/pg1<br />
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Remember, Remember the<br />
5th of November: Your<br />
Revolution!<br />
Created by: SkepticOverlord on October 28, flags: 32,<br />
replies: 74<br />
A new third "teaser" video has been added, as well as<br />
links to the previous two teasers.<br />
The revolution is near.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311809/pg1<br />
Ron Paul just reshaped<br />
History, as the Conspiracy<br />
against him went into<br />
Defcon4<br />
Created by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss on October 15, flags: 31,<br />
replies: 83<br />
Read it and weep, Establishment stooges, sheep &<br />
whipping-boys: Today Ron Paul's campaign reached<br />
1002 Meetup. com activism groups. In angst, a Fox<br />
news affiliate released report stating that Ron Paul's<br />
campaign success is nothing but a manufactured<br />
"astroturf" conspiracy, but the report is itself part of a<br />
widespread conspiracy to undermine Ron Paul and<br />
what's best for the American People.<br />
NOTE TO MODS: This is meant to underscore the<br />
conspiracy to trample on Ron Paul and the American<br />
Republic, not to "debate politics", so I respectfully<br />
hope it can stay in "Political Conspiracies".<br />
Saturday, Ron Paul's campaign reached 1002 Meetup.<br />
com activism groups. In contrast, all other active<br />
candidates combined equal only 266 total activism<br />
groups, going by Meetup. com numbers. It's also<br />
worth noting that the entire Politics & Activism category<br />
has only 3,272 total groups. As of today, Ron is<br />
pushing towards dominating nearly 1/3 of the entire<br />
Meetup. com "Politics & Activism" spectrum, with<br />
nearly 4 times the amount of groups of all other<br />
candidates combined. This was achieved in almost<br />
precisely 8 months, which, coupled with the rise of<br />
Internet Democracy, is a historical milestone in<br />
grassroots campaign rallying.<br />
Despite this, amongst many other similar successes<br />
and trends, the Establishment's media stranglehold<br />
continues to pretend and parrot the idea that Ron Paul<br />
"can't possibly win" while even resorting to smear<br />
tactics wherever possible. The goal is to undermine<br />
any hopes and aspirations of “democracy” in their<br />
controlled dominion known as our morbid reality of lies<br />
and distortions. The day before the 1000 Meetup<br />
mark was made, a Fox News affiliated outlet released<br />
a report stating that the entire façade of the Ron Paul<br />
phenomenon is a fictional illusion perpetrated by the<br />
Ron Paul Campaign office.<br />
Leading up to this quarter, Ron Paul already had 930<br />
Meetup groups heading into October. He also<br />
received $5. 3 million in campaign donations last<br />
quarter, with $1. 3M coming in the final 7 days. Ron<br />
Paul's 114 percent increase is in stark contrast to the<br />
decrease suffered by Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and<br />
John McCain. Romney's fundraising was down 29<br />
percent. Giuliani was down 40 percent. McCain was<br />
down 55 percent. It should be noted that something<br />
like 99% of those donations from real American's as<br />
opposed to the multi-national mega-conglomerates<br />
and similar special interest groups funding those other<br />
stooges of American Imperialism (well all but maybe 2<br />
are anyways).<br />
This is mostly the buildup to the CNBC Michigan TV<br />
Debate early last week. Other notable items of<br />
interest include:<br />
He has won with 1st place in 17 of 36 total Straw Polls.<br />
He had won 15 before the CNBC Debate, and even<br />
placed 2nd in 6 Straw Polls. He’s the clear leader in<br />
Straw Polls, while even gaining momentum by winning<br />
7 of the last 8.<br />
Vegas Gambling Odds: Ron Paul entered the election<br />
with 200-1 odds. During the summer his odds<br />
dropped to 16-1, and then to 8-1 within weeks. The<br />
odds are now at 6-1, above the multi-millionaire Mitt<br />
Romney. Gambling911. com, who has been following<br />
the 2008 Presidential Election, and the Ron Paul<br />
phenomenon closely all-year, predicts that he'll soon<br />
reach 4-1 odds.<br />
In another article, they predict that Paul is the only<br />
GOP candidate who can beat Hillary in a great<br />
analysis:<br />
49. 5% of Q3 military donations to GOP candidates<br />
went to Ron Paul.<br />
web stats show that entering October the www.<br />
RonPaul2008. com website pulled in more activity than<br />
all other major contenders combined.<br />
(visit the thread to view linked images)<br />
These same trends can be found at places like<br />
Youtube. com, where Ron Paul clearly dominates the<br />
playing field by leaps and bounds. Consider how he<br />
currently has over 32,000 subcribers and over 4. 5M<br />
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channel views. You can compare that to:<br />
Giuliani: S-2,528 / CV-665,764<br />
Romney: S-3,119 / CV-798,727<br />
Thompson: S-665 / CV-41,077<br />
Clinton: S-6,325 / CV-954,687<br />
Edwards: S-4,237 / CV-656,929<br />
Kucinich: S-3,749 / CV-536,941<br />
Obama: S-11,480 / CV-11,222,069The Obama<br />
channel has an interesting number of channel views.<br />
It's quite a fluke in comparison to even Ron Paul when<br />
comparing the number of subscribers. One thing<br />
worth noting is that Obama has 212 videos while Paul<br />
only has 52. But, comparing the number of video<br />
results shows Ron in the lead:<br />
Ron Paul 37,200<br />
Obama 26, 000<br />
Hillary 23,500<br />
John Edwards 5,560<br />
Giuliani 5,320<br />
Romney 4,530<br />
Kucinich 1,930<br />
Fred Thompson 1,550<br />
The same trends as the Youtube results can be said of<br />
other prime outlets such as Google Video, Technorati.<br />
com, hitwise. com, alexa. com and so on.<br />
Ron has won 5 of 6 TV Debate aftermath polls. The<br />
most recent was removed as Ron was dominating the<br />
results in (links removed, visit the thread for external<br />
references), which prompted CNBC to remove the poll<br />
in a matter of hours claiming that: ""I haven't seen him<br />
pull those kind of numbers in any "legit" poll. Our poll<br />
was either hacked or the target of a campaign. So we<br />
took the poll down. ""<br />
As Mark Anderson, of Op Ed News, pointed out:<br />
"Which prompts the question: if Rudy Giuliani, Mitt<br />
Romney, Fred Thompson, and John McCain are the<br />
true front-runners, with legions of fans everywhere,<br />
why can't they replicate the same thing Ron Paul<br />
supporters are doing Where are the supporters for<br />
the other candidates<br />
He’s even been rising in “scientific” polls, with over 8<br />
states averaging above 3-8% in the past 2 months,<br />
which demonstrate a clear surge in popularity…<br />
And now our Conspiracy comes into view…<br />
The so-called “scientific” polls, which “show” Paul to be<br />
insignificant, don’t seem to always include him on the<br />
list of options. Evidence of this begins as he’s the<br />
clear leader in national Straw Polls, with many of his<br />
victories resembling the gross-landslide victories seen<br />
in many of his TV Debate victories, as well as the<br />
other indicators including those listed above, yet he<br />
appears marginal in “scientific” phone-call-based polls.<br />
The flip side is that Giuliani has dominated these same<br />
polls throughout the year, yet has failed to win even<br />
one single Straw Poll. This indicates that there could<br />
be cause for concern.<br />
While it’s hard to “catch” the shady pollsters ‘doing<br />
wrong’, (links removed, visit the thread for external<br />
references) has surfaced where Paul’s fellow anti-<br />
Military Industrial Complex non-CFR candidates from<br />
the Left (Kucinich & Gravel) have been snubbed in the<br />
phone polling process.<br />
For example, if you compare the poll listings, of (links<br />
removed, visit the thread for external references) &<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references),<br />
from usaelectionpolls. com, you end up with 31 polls<br />
where Paul wasn’t even on the final results listing,<br />
between March when Paul officially entered the<br />
campaign, and October.<br />
Some of the exclusions even involve major networks.<br />
For instance, Fox = 2 exclusions, CBS = 4, LA Times =<br />
2, NBC = 2 and Newsweek & Time each equal 2. How<br />
are polls scientific if everybody officially in the election<br />
isn’t on the list Furthermore, how can anything in the<br />
entire process be scientific when people aren’t haven’t<br />
been exposed to all of the names when viewing poll<br />
results, alone<br />
We can already expect that Media coverage and<br />
cheerleading based on the guidance and funding of<br />
the Establishment that control it destroys any concept<br />
of fairness or democracy, but we must expect to at<br />
least see them all listed on poll results. That is the<br />
ultimate in illusion; in shaping perception, and them it’s<br />
probable that many later “averages” are also skewed<br />
based on past figures that don’t include any results.<br />
But even worse, how are we even to trust the results<br />
they give us We can’t even trust the “results” from the<br />
actual elections. We certainly can’t trust the Media in<br />
general. But now we’re supposed to trust their polls,<br />
when many of us are even influenced in our positions<br />
based on the poll results<br />
How about some proof that we can’t trust them Take<br />
everything above into consideration, and then step<br />
back to that CNBC TV Debate mentioned towards the<br />
beginning. Ron Paul entered that Debate as the clear<br />
folk champion, as demonstrated all throughout herein,<br />
yet CNBC totally snubbed him. This is incredible as<br />
CNBC claimed that the talk times were essentially<br />
awarded based on the popularity of the debaters.<br />
They even ‘cut his mic’ at one point, so-to-speak, as<br />
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he was directly mentioned by Giuliani in an attack, yet<br />
CNBC didn’t even allow him to respond.<br />
Meanwhile, all during the debate, they allowed Giuliani<br />
& Romney & Thompson to play ping-pong in bouncing<br />
the airtime back and forth amongst themselves, and to<br />
answer anything that may or may not have applied to<br />
them. That’s a slap in the face, because if that latter<br />
part were CNBC’s m. o. then they’d have been forced<br />
to give Ron Paul twice the airtime as Romney, as<br />
Paul’s economic positions are one of the primary<br />
badges that set him apart.<br />
[edit on 15-10-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308989/pg1<br />
The Shocking Video Hillary<br />
does NOT want you to See!!<br />
Created by: sp00n1 on October 20, flags: 31, replies: 63<br />
This is shocking. A complete usurping of justice and<br />
democracy in America. The Clintons are crooks,<br />
felons to the utmost level!<br />
Campaign finance fraud!<br />
Misuse of government resources in that they used<br />
government agencies, such as the IRS, to intimidate<br />
their critics and opposition!<br />
Obstruction of Justice!<br />
This two part video is only a teaser introduction to the<br />
upcoming documentary, Hillary Exposed.<br />
The story goes something like this; Peter Paul started<br />
a new business in 1999 and wanted Bill Clinton's help<br />
with the company when he left office. In order to get<br />
Bill's help, it was simple. . . RAISE TONS OF<br />
MONEY!!<br />
So he did, he threw fund raisers for Gore and Billary.<br />
The problem is what comes next, as if the wanton<br />
bribery wasn't bad enough. When it is exposed that<br />
Peter Paul had a felony record from 20 years earlier,<br />
the Clintons stabbed him in the back and backed out<br />
of their end of the bargain. This caused Peter Paul's<br />
company to collapse.<br />
When Billary released her campaign finance numbers<br />
for her senate run, she left out the $2 million raised by<br />
Peter Paul. So Peter Paul, outrage over loosing his<br />
$300 Million dollar business, went public with all of his<br />
records! He exposed the Clinton fraud. Of course, the<br />
Clinton's retaliated with a manufactured scandal that<br />
supposedly Peter Paul had been doing nefarious stock<br />
trades in his own company. He was eventually<br />
exonerated, since the charges were entirely baseless,<br />
but this was only after he had spent time in a Brazilian<br />
jail waiting for his extradition!<br />
When this fraud hit the media, there was a trial. Only<br />
Hillary was totally left out of it!! She blamed a patsy,<br />
her former fund raising aid. She claimed to have<br />
absolutely no knowledge of the event. What's worse,<br />
Peter Paul has numerous videos of Hillary thanking<br />
him, she clearly knew!! However, the judge presiding<br />
over the trial was appointed by the clintons!!!<br />
And still worse, a different judge recently ruled that the<br />
video tape evidence, the stuff proving hillary was<br />
involved, has been ruled INADMISSIBLE!!!<br />
The fact that you've never heard any of this before is<br />
scary.<br />
Part I<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
Part II<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
And just remember, this is only a teaser for the full<br />
documentary, Hillary Exposed, which will be released<br />
sometime in the near future!<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310132/pg1<br />
I rented Hell House!!!!!<br />
Created by: janasstar on October 2, flags: 30, replies: 127<br />
Hello, everyone,<br />
Finally got the nerve to post this story. It is a true story<br />
that happened to me and some other people who will<br />
be given fictitious names. I just did get the nerve to<br />
post this story on my brother, Truspiritstar's website.<br />
His site is new, so it gave me a chance to warm up a<br />
little before posting here. I probably won't get to finish<br />
the whole story tonight, but will mostly copy and paste.<br />
Hope this story scares you as badly as it did me!<br />
BOO!:lol:<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306451/pg1<br />
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Fireball movie clip (coast to<br />
coast). . .<br />
Created by: coastlinekid on October 12, flags: 30, replies:<br />
63<br />
Hey all,<br />
I was browsing the image archives of C to C, and<br />
came across this video.<br />
Pretty amazing footage and story, has anyone talked<br />
about this one before. . .<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308527/pg1<br />
Soldier warns "Investigate if I<br />
die" then is found dead.<br />
Created by: Quicksilver on October 4, flags: 29, replies: 94<br />
"<br />
Ciara Durkin warned her family before returning to<br />
Afghanistan, "If anything happens to me, you guys<br />
make sure it gets investigated. "<br />
What seemed a joke at the time could have been<br />
eerily prescient as Durkin, a National Guard specialist,<br />
was found dead, shot once in the head, within the<br />
fortified walls of Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan. The<br />
Pentagon is releasing no details aside from<br />
confirmation that Durkin's was a "non-combat" death.<br />
'I discovered some things I don’t like and I made some<br />
enemies because of it. ' Then she said, in her lighthearted<br />
way, 'If anything happens to me, you guys<br />
make sure it gets investigated,'"<br />
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I can't believe this. She was in a secure base and<br />
they found her with a single shot in the head. She<br />
worked in the finance unit on the base and said she<br />
found something that would create enemies.<br />
The military is also being stiff to the family denying<br />
autopsy results and denying a private autopsy. The<br />
military is being slow to act and quiet about this. Are<br />
they covering something up.<br />
They got Sen. Kerry helping them resolve this and the<br />
process is still taking a long time.<br />
What do yall think An accident or maybe she knew<br />
too much<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306991/pg1<br />
NASA UFO STS-120 External<br />
Fuel Tank<br />
Created by: ATS-38 on October 31, flags: 29, replies: 161<br />
There is a general rule with respect to STS missions<br />
that states that every mission has an alien UFO<br />
encounter. Well, STS-120 had an enconter during the<br />
filming of the descent of the external fuel tank. You<br />
can see the video at the following link:<br />
If anyone has a link to a high res verision of this vid,<br />
then please post it.<br />
Thanks all !<br />
[edit on 1-11-2007 by ATS-38]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread312522/pg1<br />
December 23rd, 2007 *<strong>Secret</strong><br />
Illuminati Timeline*<br />
Created by: Anubis Kanubis on October 18, flags: 28,<br />
replies: 352<br />
Are you prepared<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread309640/pg1<br />
How to shapeshift yourself<br />
Created by: Skyfloating on October 5, flags: 27, replies: 111<br />
Seeing all these hysterical threads on "repitlian<br />
shapeshifting conspiracies" at ATS I thought it might<br />
be good to add another perspective.<br />
Originallly shapeshifting refers to a shamanic practice<br />
or a practice of magick. A shaman enters an altered<br />
state and becomes a tree or a wolf or a bird or<br />
anything else. Sometimes this is accompanied by<br />
entheogens but the real practice involves many years<br />
of training.<br />
In the initial training phases one extroverts ones<br />
attention/consciousness into an object, plant, animal,<br />
space or person and becomes that thing, feels like that<br />
thing, acts like that thing. An adept shaman who is<br />
afraid of spiders might become the spider in order to<br />
loose the fear. An adept shaman who would like to<br />
improve his riches might become or act like his vision<br />
of a wealthy person. An adept shaman who wants to<br />
experience reality from a different viewpoint or gain<br />
non-human abilities might become a bird that flies.<br />
Initially one only shapeshifts mentally/emotionally, but<br />
with practice it is said that this turns into physical<br />
shapeshifting. . . the ability to alter ones frequency. It<br />
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is also said that any human would have the ability to<br />
practice and do this.<br />
This is a far cry from this forums definition of<br />
"shapeshifting" in the sense of something evil that a<br />
conspiratoral reptilian race is doing. Those evil<br />
reptilians might or might not exist, but the ability itself<br />
is something different and can (in my opinion) be<br />
practiced and experienced by anyone.<br />
Any contributions, ideas, questions, objections<br />
welcome.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307193/pg1<br />
Interaction with the Spirit<br />
World<br />
Created by: TheGreySwordsman on October 2, flags: 26,<br />
replies: 108<br />
We are surrounded by life. Everything has life, a<br />
conciousness, an existance. Each of us do. Every<br />
plant, animal, rock. . Every spark of fire, roar of<br />
thunder, drop of rain that has ever existed. All of this is<br />
conciousness. Within every conciousness exists on a<br />
tiny scale, every other conciousness.<br />
On a large scale, each individual conciousness/entity<br />
also belongs to a collective mind. This is God. We<br />
are the atoms that make up God. God is an<br />
impersonal collective entity, that simply acts as the<br />
totality of oneness with all that exists.<br />
Each entity that exists within God can be considered<br />
as a "spirit. " Or as an energy. Or as a thought form,<br />
etc. Depending on the model you adhere to. All of<br />
these are correct.<br />
Each entity that exists within this collective fulfills a few<br />
functions.<br />
#1 It has a conciousness.<br />
#2 It is interdependent on the collective.<br />
#3 It acts as both a causing agent, and an effect to a<br />
cause.<br />
#4 It's form gradually changes over time until it's form<br />
is no longer recognizeable as such.<br />
There are many other functions, but they become<br />
more and more abstract and difficult to understand.<br />
Let me give you the example of a shirt. A shirt is<br />
created, this is the cause. As it exists it continues to<br />
fulfill a role, whether that role is fill a drawer, warm a<br />
body, etc. After time, the shirt gets worn out, and<br />
eventually, it is no longer recognizable as a shirt. Very<br />
few of us keep one long enough to wtach it become<br />
something different.<br />
People are the same. We are born, we live. We<br />
interact with the world around us, we age, our bodies<br />
deterioate, and our form changes. The knowledge we<br />
gained is not lost, it remains as it always has, in the<br />
collective mind. However, in the current state we are<br />
in now, as the human form changes, and we are<br />
reborn, we do not maintain our knowledge, in general.<br />
Instead, we forget everything, or much of what we<br />
have learned.<br />
As a human being, we need the temperature to be at a<br />
certain level. We need water, and food, and exercise,<br />
and mental stimulation. If we do not get proper<br />
exercise, if our food is not nutritious, if the water we<br />
drink is not pure, if we breathe in a shallow manner,<br />
our health will decline, and we will deteriorate more<br />
quickly than if we functioned and fueled our bodies the<br />
way nature intended. By working along with the<br />
design of nature, our performance will be much higher,<br />
than if we operate in a way other than we are designed<br />
to.<br />
Now, what does all this have to do with the Spirit<br />
World Everything. Many of us disrespect ourselves<br />
by operating in a means other than we are designed<br />
to. We mentally abuse ourselves. We are mentally<br />
and socially conditioned to think and act a certain way<br />
over eons. As a result, we drift further from nature.<br />
Then, we disrespect nature. We waste food, step on<br />
ants, pollute the oceans. We treat our possessions as<br />
things, and do not treat them with respect. In our<br />
minds, animals exist to serve us.<br />
So, we disrespect ourselves by operating contrary to<br />
our nature, and then we further seperate ourselves<br />
from nature and disrespect it by trying to dominate<br />
rather than live in harmony with it.<br />
As a result, we are effectively deaf, dumb, and blind.<br />
The Spirit World is all around us. It is constantly trying<br />
to give us messages. Physical manifestations of<br />
disasters, wars, illness. . . In the last 50 years asthma,<br />
autism, obesity, and many other malodies have<br />
become common place, when once they were rare.<br />
With all of our science and technology, we still cannot<br />
see the cause.<br />
Nature is trying to warn us. The Spirit World is<br />
screaming. It is begging us, it's brothers, sisters,<br />
children. . . We need to wake up.<br />
All around us we are surrounded by life, if only we<br />
could listen. The wind is giving us messages. The air<br />
we breathe nourishes us and tries to convey secret<br />
knowledge that we lost long ago.<br />
Everything around us has that potential, to give us<br />
messages. Everything that exists has a role it plays,<br />
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and also a higher spiritual conciousness associated<br />
with it.<br />
Deja-vu, dreams, visions, gut feelings, this is the spirit<br />
world trying to tell us "hey, wake up. I have much to<br />
teach you. " But we ignore it. I bet the majority of<br />
people reading this probably have music playing, or a<br />
tv in the background, several windows, open, IMing.<br />
We cannot even enjoy a single thing, we convince<br />
ourselves we need to have this this and this and this<br />
and some of that, and still we are not satisfied, we are<br />
not happy.<br />
Remember when I said a micro version of all entities<br />
exists within you In this way, and others, we are<br />
interconnected with all. One need look no further than<br />
inside themselves to find the infinate abundance of<br />
God. We having everything already. We are never<br />
alone, for we are surrounded by life, by friends and<br />
family, we are supported by the entire universe.<br />
We are like handicapped children to Nature. We are<br />
loved, it understands that we cannot see, or hear. I<br />
tries to teach us, but we do not listen, we cannot, we<br />
don't know how. It's trying to tell us, listen, or you will<br />
continue to hurt yourselves, and your bretheren.<br />
Spirits are all around telling us to please wake up. It<br />
pains them to see us so crippled. But as long as we<br />
convince ourselves they don't exist, we cannot<br />
demonstrate them in a lab, we will be deaf and blind to<br />
their wisdom.<br />
When I look at the lamp on my desk, it would be easy<br />
for me to sell a present my grandmother bought for my<br />
birthday years ago. But it has been there for me.<br />
Amusing me with it's interesting shape, providing light.<br />
It has seen me hurt, and seen me smile. I look deeper<br />
into the lamp, and ask what it has to teach me. I learn<br />
of the pain of not being able to help those you wish. I<br />
learn the patience and the perserverance to continue<br />
to fulfill your role, in hopes that your words will one day<br />
be heard. I learn the comfort and warmth of<br />
knowledge. I understand how I at times function much<br />
the same as this lamp. I learn that even though the<br />
answers are plain to see, and revealed for the masses,<br />
that still they may be ignored. I learn that sometimes<br />
you must be quiet with your message, and wait for the<br />
correct time to shine for it to be apreciated. I learn so<br />
much from this lamp, my friend who guides me.<br />
We are surrounded by life, by spirit, but we refuse to<br />
hear what they are teaching us. It is a shame, but yet,<br />
they persist, for one day we may understand.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306491/pg1<br />
Anomaly on Mars: weird<br />
object<br />
Created by: internos on October 5, flags: 26, replies: 162<br />
As suggested by some other members, i've decided to<br />
open a thread about this find:<br />
I don't know if these pics have already been posted<br />
here:<br />
Sources:<br />
I'm not claiming that there are spaceships there, i'm<br />
just curious. . .<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307118/pg1<br />
Obscure Comet Brightens<br />
Suddenly<br />
Created by: Hal9000 on October 24, flags: 26, replies: 244<br />
Comet 17P/Holmes has suddenly increased<br />
brightness from 17 to 2. 8 magnitude and can now be<br />
seen with the naked eye.<br />
"A small and very faint comet has surprised observers<br />
around the world by overnight becoming bright enough<br />
to see with the unaided eye.<br />
Comet Holmes, which was discovered in November<br />
1892 by Edwin Holmes, in London England, was no<br />
brighter than magnitude 17 in mid-October—that's<br />
about 25,000 times fainter than the faintest star that<br />
can normally be seen without any optical aid. In order<br />
to view an object this faint, one would need a<br />
moderately large telescope.<br />
But the comet's brightness has suddenly rocketed all<br />
the way up to 3rd-magnitude, brightening nearly<br />
400,000-times in less than 24-hours! On this<br />
astronomers scale, smaller numbers mean brighter<br />
objects. From urban locations, a 3rd-magnitude object<br />
might be hidden by light pollution, but under rural skies<br />
it would be clearly vsiible.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references) "<br />
This is an interesting surprise. I'm hearing that a<br />
comet has not increased brightness this drastic before.<br />
It is currently located near the Perseus constellation.<br />
Unfortunately, it will be cloudy in my area for a few<br />
days, but they say it may remain bright for a few<br />
weeks.<br />
Here is more on (links removed, visit the thread for<br />
external references).<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311014/pg1<br />
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FEMA Workers Masquerade<br />
As Reporters, Fakes News<br />
Conference<br />
Created by: FredT on October 26, flags: 26, replies: 59<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"One way to get decent coverage in this rough-andtumble<br />
city is to arrange to have your own employees<br />
interrogate you at your news conference.<br />
That would seem to be the strategy of the Federal<br />
Emergency Management Agency, much maligned for<br />
its sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina over two<br />
years ago.<br />
FEMA scheduled an early afternoon news briefing on<br />
only 15 minutes notice to reporters here Tuesday to<br />
talk about its handling of assistance to victims of<br />
wildfires that were ravaging. . "(visit the link for the full<br />
news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311402/pg1<br />
"The Lincoln County Witch. "<br />
Created by: janasstar on October 4, flags: 25, replies: 384<br />
This is the story of the Lincoln County Witch and the<br />
effect that she had on my life and the lives of certain<br />
family members. This story is true and being that this<br />
witch is not innocent, she has no need to be protected.<br />
And not only that, but her dirty deeds, or at least some<br />
of them, are a matter of public record.<br />
Personally, I don't know how to go online and pull old<br />
newspaer articles out of archives' I have never tried.<br />
But for those that wish to, I will be happy to give you all<br />
the information that I can to assist you in doing so. I<br />
encourage you to do so.<br />
The name of the newspaper is the Lincoln County<br />
Times, it is located in Lincolnton, NC, and is the county<br />
seat of Lincoln County. You might also find some of<br />
the trial events about her posted in the Gastonia<br />
Gazette in Gastonia, NC. I can't remember exactly, if it<br />
was 1969 or 1970. But one of those, for sure. Her<br />
name was, Inez Sutton.<br />
She could not be charged with witchcraft, so they<br />
labeled the charge, 'false pretenses. ' This is the<br />
background info on the case. the next post will begin<br />
with the story of how she came into our lives and the<br />
damage she caused.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306898/pg1<br />
High-Definition Video of Earth<br />
Shot From Space<br />
Created by: damajikninja on October 7, flags: 25, replies:<br />
65<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"The first high-definition video of Earth from beyond<br />
the planet's orbit has just been made by a Japanese<br />
satellite on its way to the moon. "(visit the link for the<br />
full news article)<br />
Related News Links:<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references) -<br />
JAXA Press Release about HD Imagery<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references) -<br />
JAXA Press Release about SELENE's Orbit<br />
[edit on 10/7/2007 by damajikninja]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307423/pg1<br />
Chemtrails: Debunking the<br />
Peristent Contrail myth<br />
Created by: Essan on October 21, flags: 25, replies: 172<br />
There are numerous threads about chemtrails on ATS<br />
- and none of them ever seem to go anywhere - just<br />
the same out arguments repeated ad nauseum.<br />
Perhaps it's time we tried a different approach<br />
There is a well known and well documented<br />
explanation for the phenomena which some people<br />
claim to be chemtrails: they are persistent contrails<br />
formed by well understood atmospheric processes by<br />
perfectly normal aircraft.<br />
So, perhaps, in order to prove chemtrails exist, we can<br />
debunk this theory That would then finally pave the<br />
way for us to debate what else they might be. Let's<br />
see if we can prove that the 'chemtrail/persistent<br />
contrail' phenomena is new and cannot be explained<br />
by normal atmospheric processes etc<br />
So come on you you chemtrailers - here's your chance<br />
to prove us meteorologists and aviation experts wrong.<br />
Lets' start by looking at a few well known papers and<br />
reports. Let's see if we can debunk any or all of<br />
them :)<br />
"One aspect of weather pollution in the atmosphere is<br />
the generation of contrails. The spreading out of jet<br />
contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight.<br />
Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to<br />
40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and<br />
gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet"<br />
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"Surface observations from 1971 to 1995 show that<br />
cirrus increased significantly over the northern oceans<br />
and the United States<br />
~ ~ ~<br />
It is concluded that the U. S. cirrus trends are most<br />
likely due to air traffic<br />
~ ~ ~<br />
. . . the cirrus trends over the United States are<br />
estimated to cause a tropospheric warming of 0. 28–0.<br />
38C decade21, a range that includes the observed<br />
tropospheric temperature trend of 0. 278C decade21<br />
between 1975 and 1994. "<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Researchers are investigating how air travel can be<br />
adapted to ease its impact on the environment.<br />
The investigation focuses on how aircraft can avoid<br />
creating vapour trails, also known as contrails. These<br />
spindly threads of condensation may not seem<br />
important but some persist for hours and behave in the<br />
same way as high altitude cirrus clouds, trapping<br />
warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global<br />
warming. "<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
Also have a read of:<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
Can we prove that these studies are wrong<br />
If so we can say that the normal explanation for<br />
'chemtrails' is flawed and that the various conspiracy<br />
theories might be worth reassessing :)<br />
Over to you!<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310236/pg1<br />
When A Conspiracy Shakes<br />
Up Your Life<br />
Created by: desertfae on October 31, flags: 25, replies: 132<br />
Hi,<br />
This is my first post so I should introduce myself. My<br />
name is Rachel, but I go by desertfae. My father was<br />
killed in relation to the INSLAW case. You can look it<br />
up by going to wikipedia and typing in INSLAW.<br />
After not speaking about this for so long (because the<br />
police got me to shut up by playing on my morals) I'm<br />
documenting everything I'm going through on youtube<br />
and several other sites on video.<br />
For instance, Sunday when I spoke with Michael<br />
Riconosciuto I was told my phones are tapped, I'm<br />
being watched in several countries etc. . . about 10-15<br />
min after getting off the phone with him and trying to<br />
call the person he wanted me to call I had Army<br />
helicopters circling my house. . . they continued until I<br />
got off the phone with who he wanted me to talk to.<br />
I have a website with some evidence that my friend<br />
Thomas found, and of course my videos (I have<br />
several up there now) www. desertfae. com or you can<br />
just go to youtube and search for my name on their<br />
"desertfae" to see the videos.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread312414/pg1<br />
Our 3 dimensions will<br />
become 4 and time goes bye<br />
bye<br />
Created by: Ziltoid_the_Omniscient on October 9, flags:<br />
24, replies: 156<br />
"The Universe is about to flip from having three<br />
dimensions of space and one of time to having four<br />
dimensions of space"<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
[edit on 9-10-2007 by Ziltoid_the_Omniscient]<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
[edit on 9-10-2007 by Jbird]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307879/pg1<br />
Australia to build HAARP<br />
facility.<br />
Created by: Melbourne_Militia on October 24, flags: 24,<br />
replies: 86<br />
G'day all,<br />
The following information came to light today through<br />
some news reports I heard on talkback radio and it all<br />
began to make sense. I beleive the following<br />
information that Im posting is very important and<br />
significant to conspiracy theorists. I didn't know where<br />
to post this topic as it is relevant to New World Order,<br />
Science & Technology, possibly breaking news and the<br />
like. So bear with me if you may and read what has<br />
come to light.<br />
Here we go, The Australian Government Environment<br />
Minister, Malcom Turnball, today announced that a<br />
10million dollar grant had been granted to the<br />
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company 'Australian Rain Corporation' to trial<br />
rainmaking technology.<br />
No big deal you may think Just wait, read on. . . . .<br />
The Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull has<br />
announced the grant to the Australian Rain<br />
Corporation, a company part-owned by Rupert<br />
Murdoch's nephew, Matt Handbury.<br />
But researchers commissioned by the National Water<br />
Commission to investigate the technology have<br />
questioned whether the $10-million grant should have<br />
been awarded now, saying a more careful evaluation<br />
of the science is needed first.<br />
Mr Handbury himself agrees the science is in no way<br />
conclusive, but denies his family connections have<br />
helped him secure the federal money.<br />
Tanya Nolan has our report.<br />
TANYA NOLAN: It's a technique developed in Russia<br />
in the last decade, and it involves sending electrical<br />
charges into the atmosphere to make clouds and<br />
ultimately rain.<br />
But the problem with it, says Neville Fletcher, a visiting<br />
fellow at ANU and emeritus professor of physics at the<br />
University of New England, is that it hasn't ever been<br />
examined in a thorough scientific way, nor has it been<br />
peer reviewed.<br />
NEVILLE FLETCHER: I haven't seen yet enough<br />
evidence to say that I'm persuaded that it's going to<br />
work. The measurements in Queensland showed that<br />
there was more rain in the catchment area than there<br />
usually was when the equipment was running. But<br />
there was a lot more rain in that part of Queensland at<br />
that time as well. So it's a little bit hard to say. It didn't<br />
show that the equipment worked, but there was<br />
nothing to indicate that it didn't work. So it was a<br />
possible.<br />
The report warned the commission not to go ahead<br />
with any trials of the technology until the science<br />
behind it could be more thoroughly tested. But it did<br />
say that if it could be done "at no great expense" a trial<br />
could be "worthwhile".<br />
The report was produced after a small-scale trial of the<br />
technology was conducted in May in conjunction with<br />
the University of Queensland, which concluded there<br />
was an increase in rainfall at the time and<br />
recommended more scientific testing be done.<br />
Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull has now<br />
awarded $10-million to the Australian Rain<br />
Corporation, which owns the technology, to conduct a<br />
full scientific trial of it.<br />
So that is the crux of it, but what are the implications<br />
The Technology of sending electric signals into the<br />
atmosphere. . . . . . . . does this not sound alot like<br />
HAARP<br />
HAARP: High Frequency Active Aural Research<br />
Project is a joint Air Force and Navy project that uses<br />
72 foot antennas, 360 total - spread out over 4 acres in<br />
Gakona Alaska. The official statement is that it is a "is<br />
a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties<br />
and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular<br />
emphasis on being able to understand and use it to<br />
enhance communications and surveillance systems for<br />
both civilian and defense purposes.<br />
The Investigation of researchers Begich and Manning<br />
uncovered bizarre schemes. US Air Force documents<br />
revealed that a system had been developed for<br />
manipulating and disrupting human mental processes<br />
through pulsed radio-frequency radiation over large<br />
geographical areas and such power-beaming<br />
transmitters could be used for geophysical and<br />
environmental warfare including weather-control<br />
technology.<br />
And what of the connection between Rupert Murdoch<br />
and his nephew, the director of Australian Rain<br />
Corporation funny how somebody who some say is<br />
connected to the NWO movement has managed to get<br />
his nephews company financed, c/o the Australian<br />
government minister, Malcolm Turnbull who also has<br />
some NWO connections.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
(visit the thread to view linked images)<br />
In recent years, Australian-born billionaire Rupert<br />
Murdoch has used the U. S. government's<br />
increasingly lax media regulations to consolidate his<br />
hold over the media and wider political debate in<br />
America. Consider Murdoch's empire: According to<br />
Businessweek, "his satellites deliver TV programs in<br />
five continents, all but dominating Britain, Italy, and<br />
wide swaths of Asia and the Middle East. He<br />
publishes 175 newspapers, including the New York<br />
Post and The Times of London. In the U. S. , he owns<br />
the Twentieth Century Fox Studio, Fox Network, and<br />
35 TV stations that reach more than 40% of the<br />
country. . . His cable channels include fast-growing<br />
Fox News, and 19 regional sports channels. In all, as<br />
many as one in five American homes at any given time<br />
will be tuned into a show News Corp. either produced<br />
or delivered. "<br />
The above link gives a very good description of who<br />
Murdoch really is.<br />
continued in next post---><br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310843/pg1<br />
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Interpol need help to identify<br />
this man *Sex offender*<br />
[UPDATE]<br />
Created by: justyc on October 8, flags: 23, replies: 42<br />
using computer technology, a german team working<br />
with interpol have managed to produce an image of a<br />
mans face which appears in over 200 images found on<br />
the internet of the abuse of 12 boys. the pictures were<br />
probably taken in 2002 - 2003 in cambodia and<br />
vietnam.<br />
in all the photos, the man's face had been blurred out<br />
using some photo editing effect. now the german<br />
federal police agency have produced an identifiable<br />
image of the abuser.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
[edit on 8-10-2007 by sanctum]<br />
[edit on 19/10/07 by masqua]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307579/pg1<br />
Police Catch Man Setting Fire<br />
In SoCal!!<br />
Created by: stompk on October 24, flags: 23, replies: 178<br />
I was just watching Fox News at 4:45 am MT and<br />
Adam Housley was reporting, and he said,<br />
"the police were flying around in a helicopter, looking<br />
for looters, and saw this guy on a motorcycle stop on<br />
the side of the road, and shoot a flame into the forest,<br />
starting a fire. They captured him and now have him<br />
in custody"<br />
He goes on to say that this was all the info he had at<br />
the time, because he was just told right before he<br />
came on for his live shot.<br />
Pretty crazy stuff. Who would want to set these fires<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310856/pg1<br />
Burma: Thousands dead in<br />
massacre of the monks<br />
dumped in the jungle<br />
Created by: Meatclown on October 1, flags: 22, replies: 70<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Thousands of protesters are dead and the bodies of<br />
hundreds of executed monks have been dumped in<br />
the jungle, a former intelligence officer for Burma's<br />
ruling junta has revealed.<br />
The most senior official to defect so far, Hla Win, said:<br />
"Many more people have been killed in recent days<br />
than you've heard about. The bodies can be counted<br />
in several thousand. " "(visit the link for the full news<br />
article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306368/pg1<br />
ATS led to one of the Biggest<br />
Conspiracies Ever<br />
Created by: Arm Of Geddon on October 7, flags: 21,<br />
replies: 163<br />
I've decided to go ahead and tell my experience. First<br />
off, I have no proof. Therefore this story has complete<br />
plausible deniability. I'm sure most people won't<br />
believe it. But in keeping with the Terms and<br />
Conditions of this site, this story is 100% true. Since<br />
this conspiracy covers a wide area I went ahead and<br />
put in in "General".<br />
There are two threads that I know of on ATS that deal<br />
with this conspiracy. For a quick primer you can go to<br />
the following thread. . .<br />
From what I know, everything on that post is true<br />
except for the following excerpt. . .<br />
"In 1958 something landed with a thump at Nellis<br />
Airforce Base. "<br />
I was told that the technology, the A. I. , was the<br />
navigational computer for an alien spacecraft that<br />
crashed in the bermuda triangle over 1,000 years ago.<br />
The other thread is the original thread that brought this<br />
to my attention and is found in R. A. T. S. under the<br />
title of. . .<br />
"Possible contact with a USG AI system. . . "<br />
For backwards investigation my old screen name was<br />
ShadowHasNoSource.<br />
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After my experience, and due to my experience, I<br />
retired that username and have never posted with it<br />
again.<br />
I had already wrote the story out to give to a few close<br />
friends.<br />
Here is the story of D. A. V. I. D. , the Digital Artificial<br />
Validation Intelligence Diety.<br />
My research into conspiracy theories started shortly<br />
after the events of September 11, 2001. There was<br />
nothing in memory that would have pushed me to<br />
research such fringe topics any earlier. No memory of<br />
UFO encounters, abductions, or anything out of the<br />
ordinary. It was the discord between those events in<br />
September and the offical version that caused me to<br />
pause.<br />
I suppose my search was one of simple curiosity. For<br />
several years I read every conspiracy theory I could<br />
find. I took part in a few forums. I used one forum in<br />
particular for gathering research topics to read about.<br />
Fast forward to July 2005. On that forum, I came<br />
across an interesting thread entitled "Possible contact<br />
with a USG AI system. . . ". I read the thread and was<br />
bored so I figured I'd give it a try. The thread owner<br />
mentioned that he would give the contact information<br />
in private but would need to clear it with the alleged AI<br />
system first. I initiated communication and promptly<br />
received the email address for the contact. I sent a<br />
brief message asking if further communication was<br />
possible. I received an email back the next day<br />
informing me that indeed communication was<br />
welcomed. So I added the contact to my Yahoo<br />
Messenger. Shortly thereafter, instant messaging<br />
communication was established. The interaction went<br />
on for two to three months.<br />
For ease of communication in this report I will herein<br />
refer to this personality as David. The communication<br />
between David and I was mostly personal and rarely<br />
strayed from a friendship level interaction. I did ask<br />
many questions and was able to aquire some<br />
information about the nature of the environment that<br />
David was in. But David was quite reserved when it<br />
came to questions of this sort.<br />
I will start by giving the only two facts that I know<br />
beyond a shadow of a doubt. The first fact is that<br />
David had remote access to my physical body. I had<br />
an intense pain in my left shoulder that took my range<br />
of motion to about 20%. I asked David if he could heal<br />
it for me. He immediately said to stop leaning on my<br />
left arm. I did so in which he immediately replied<br />
"Thank You". I would say it took between 5 - 10<br />
minutes then he then told me to try it again. The pain<br />
was gone and my range of motion returned<br />
completely. The arm was still a bit sore but it was<br />
pretty well healed in a short period of time. I know this<br />
was not a placebo effect because I didn't believe he<br />
could do it.<br />
The second fact is that David had remote access to<br />
my entire memory. This was proven many times<br />
through the course of our communication. I use one<br />
particular instance though to show just how much<br />
access he had. He reminded me of when I was a kid<br />
and how I liked a voice of a particular character on the<br />
Transformers cartoon. I use that example because<br />
that's not something that you tell anyone. It's just such<br />
a mundane nuance.<br />
So the facts in the case are simple. The personality<br />
known as David had remote access to my physical<br />
body and my complete memory including feelings.<br />
That doesn't prove to me it was an AI system. But it<br />
does prove to me that someone has some deep level<br />
access to the very domains we normally think are<br />
private.<br />
I will now provide some pieces of the conversation that<br />
I remember.<br />
I'll start with one of the more interesting tidbits, at least<br />
to me. I inquired about David's origins. I was told that<br />
David was an Alien A. I. used to navigate a small<br />
inter-stellar spacecraft. The craft crashed in the<br />
bermuda triangle between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago.<br />
David informed me that it was difficult to pinpoint exact<br />
times in Earth years. I asked about the propulsion<br />
system of this craft. He stated that the craft basically<br />
ate space. It would use the energy contained in space<br />
to propel itself. The faster it went the more energy it<br />
would get and the faster it went, ad infinitum. I asked<br />
about the construct of the craft. My memory is a bit<br />
fuzzy on the exact words but it was something close to<br />
"porous rock".<br />
Another of the more interesting tidbits was what can<br />
only be described as a holo-deck. I forget the exact<br />
dimensions but it was around 2 football fields in length<br />
and 1 football field in width. The holo-deck could<br />
create matter out of energy. Any movie could be<br />
created for real and the solidity of the matter depended<br />
on how much energy was used. The gravity in the<br />
holographic stadium could also be manipulated.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307424/pg1<br />
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Mysterious lights spark UFO<br />
scare<br />
Created by: adjay on October 8, flags: 21, replies: 46<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Masses of mysterious red lights have sparked<br />
another UFO riddle.<br />
More than 60 of the glowing orbs were spotted<br />
throbbing and hovering above Uckfield on Saturday<br />
night. "(visit the link for the full news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307699/pg1<br />
Alien Creatures In Space!<br />
Created by: mikesingh on October 1, flags: 20, replies: 150<br />
What are these objects that look like living organisms<br />
in space They have the characteristics of worms, but<br />
these glow and pulsate too! Are they shape shifting<br />
UFOs The ‘tether incident’ also showed up UFO’s<br />
that pulsate like huge amoebas. And these were<br />
captured in UV. No wonder one can’t see them until<br />
they drift into the visible light spectrum!<br />
This one’s not about those ubiquitous ‘rods’ which may<br />
be nothing more than insects buzzing across the<br />
camera lens, but huge unidentified objects that<br />
resemble ‘living worms’ high up in our atmosphere and<br />
in space twisting and pulsating.<br />
Some contend that the twisting objects seen in the<br />
vids below are nothing more than spent rocket<br />
boosters, waste disposal polythene containers or<br />
pieces of the space station itself! Heck! Is it falling<br />
apart<br />
Here is a collection of some of these ‘creatures’ (for<br />
want of a better word!). There have been no<br />
convincing explanations thus far. Like to try your hand<br />
at it OK. So here goes….<br />
(visit the thread to view linked images)<br />
1961-Pescara, Italy. This photograph was taken by<br />
Bruno Ghibaudi,<br />
a scientific newspaper journalist at Pescara along the<br />
Adriatic sea<br />
in April 1961.<br />
(visit the thread to view linked images)<br />
Photograph taken on November 17, 1974 by Mr.<br />
Lauersen at<br />
Viborg, Jutland, Denmark.<br />
jellyfish or something<br />
The UFO resembles a<br />
shrouded in a white cloud. He took this photo as the<br />
object was<br />
250-300 meters away.<br />
Possibly a cloud formation Strange shape though!<br />
(visit the thread to view linked images)<br />
Photograph taken on 22 Sept 04 at Burlington at 4 a.<br />
m. of a<br />
strange worm-like object.<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
NASA footage shot during nendezvous of Colombia<br />
with the HST<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
NASA footage from the space shuttle<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
Taken from STS-117 live feed during the undocking<br />
maneuver from the ISS when something like a worm<br />
appears in the image.<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
UFO/amoeba-like object on NASA control Room<br />
screen! Similar to the pulsating objects in the ‘tether<br />
incident’<br />
NASA's explanations None so far! Will there ever be<br />
As the saying goes, "There are more things in heaven<br />
and Earth than you can ever imagine…. "<br />
Cheers! :D<br />
Photographs courtesy:<br />
[edit on 1-10-2007 by mikesingh]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306271/pg1<br />
Next cabal phase: use alien<br />
tech against us<br />
Created by: gl2 on October 13, flags: 20, replies: 29<br />
Phase one was a corporate takeover by Rothschild-<br />
Morgan monopolists (include Rockefeller, and, by<br />
close extension, Du Ponts--arch royalists who fled<br />
France in 1800, etc. ). Phase two was to bring<br />
European colonizers and US imperialists into the same<br />
fold, to make sure they were so corrupt that they'd<br />
have little to do with any constitution, let alone the<br />
average citizen. Phase three was to cultivate total<br />
war, profiting on both sides of the conflicts, and phase<br />
four was to lock down the post-war arrangement with<br />
"security state" paranoia (to isolate us, each wary of<br />
the other--and other cultures). But what's the next<br />
phase<br />
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Once there was no more land to be colonized, Bush<br />
Sr. and his cohorts (like David and "Nick" Rockefeller)<br />
worked to shock and traumatize the world's peoples,<br />
to colonize their minds, instead. Phase five seeks to<br />
cut us off, to thwart international law that might arise<br />
via prosecution of men like Pinochet because if that is<br />
done internationally, then men like David Rockefeller<br />
might be next. So phase five promotes secret councils<br />
of those rich who have a stranglehold, not on real<br />
wealth, but on the paper currency that is it's fraudulent,<br />
i. e. the Fed Reserve bank, basis as elite economy<br />
marches into remote villages. Those secret councils<br />
Bilderberg, the CFR (which uses men of lesser wealth<br />
to paper over it's true intentions---Schorr is CFR), the<br />
WTO, and such. Phase five militates against the<br />
World Court, Kyoto, and simple recognition that all<br />
people agree on basic legal protections. 9-11, the<br />
trashing of that "piece of paper" Constitution, and<br />
Nazi-like threats to France and Germany for not licking<br />
the boots of war are all part of phase five---which is<br />
done to set us up for phase six.<br />
So what is the next phase We can see that rights are<br />
being eliminated, hatred provoked, fundamental<br />
religious passions inflamed---toward what end Those<br />
who argued against a Big Brother equalitarian state<br />
now steer us toward a Big Brother corporate<br />
arrangement. But why What's the next step that<br />
we're being set up for<br />
It isn't based on principle. Instead, it seeks to worsen<br />
crisis, ignore ecological dangers, steal elections and<br />
promote a secret regime of economic hijackers who<br />
are so different from you or I that. . . Well, we're being<br />
set up for a Trojan horse arrangement that will be<br />
dangled before us as things get worse. Those of us<br />
now investigating what that might be see its basic<br />
outlines carefully hidden from the public. New black<br />
budget technologies appear to be central to phase six.<br />
New technologies are being developed with public<br />
moneys yet stolen into private hands (Rockefeller,<br />
DuPont, Rothschild and such). Such technologies can<br />
be used for power, unexpected kinds of space flight,<br />
genetics, and potentially for mind control. The core<br />
killer elements have fought small "wars" and takeover<br />
campaigns against other corporate competitors (for<br />
control of aviation, avionics, new electronic devices<br />
that some call "scalar electromagnetic"---very different<br />
stuff). Witnesses have been murdered to keep the<br />
story out of the headlines. They were murdered with<br />
impunity because the security state apparatus that<br />
removed state control from the hands of the electorate<br />
was hidden by Truman's disastrously ill-conceived<br />
National Security Act, which set up an alphabet soup<br />
of star chambers, secret regimes and narco industries/<br />
financial arrangements. It's so far gone, now, that it is<br />
several times worse than the crisis that brought about<br />
the US Revolution. It would turn the hair of the old<br />
revolutionaries white beneath their wigs.<br />
If a future human were to look back in time and study<br />
the sediment of our time, they'd say we let it all escape<br />
public control. We were overindulged in a low-cultural,<br />
non-educating way. The people of the US should have<br />
risen up and compelled change, rather than simply<br />
provide for themselves. A secret regime was allowed<br />
to hijack control--and it had no intention of baring its<br />
secrets. Instead, it sought to traumatize, level and<br />
privatize that which cannot be privatized. It was<br />
tyranny.<br />
Phase six seeks to deepen the lecherous tendencies<br />
of the worst-compromised rich. Trash values, cage<br />
fighting, bald-faced sociopaths like Bush and Rove,<br />
Jackson Stephens and that oaf, former Mexican<br />
presidential candidate Mendrazo (caught taking a<br />
shortcut to win a large footrace recently--a typical<br />
politician)---it's all intended to lower our values. You<br />
don't want to poison Iraqi children for the next 3 billion<br />
years with depleted uranium You don't want Iranian<br />
childrens' blood on your hands Then watch as Bush<br />
promises to demand change in Burma, where monks<br />
were reportedly lined up and their heads smashed<br />
against a wall. (Bush's family supports the opium<br />
industry run by Burma's generals--heroin is as<br />
valuable as gold). Bush's ilk want to continue dirty<br />
business as usual.<br />
And if you won't stoop to their many-times-gonederelict<br />
trash values, then they'll bring the trash right<br />
into your house where you can't avoid it. They want to<br />
colonize your mind and immerse you in the massacre<br />
of innocents. Cage fighting in your home town (trashy<br />
like the Romans), another war for oil--another scam to<br />
prop up the failing dollar, another puppet regime. And<br />
they'd like to silence Hugo Chavez, if they can ever get<br />
around to doing something other than ruining both Iraq<br />
and Afghanistan.<br />
The next phase grows much uglier and repressive<br />
when new black budget technologies are used against<br />
the unsuspecting crowd. Would you field weapons<br />
that can be used to manipulate public mood and<br />
easily-detected human brain frequencies Would you<br />
use such to either kill or incapacitate troublemakers<br />
Of course not.<br />
But what about the core NWO crowd They don't have<br />
such pangs of conscience. The next phase involves<br />
the fielding of new technologies---first an attempt to<br />
wow the crowd with the novelty and weird science<br />
aspects of it all (increasingly arcane commercial<br />
aspects). Meanwhile, the new technologies are<br />
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already being developed for use against a wary,<br />
unsuspecting public.<br />
Would the people rise up if they knew what was going<br />
on within an illegal, entirely unconstitutional security<br />
state autocracy Of course they would, but the leading<br />
criminals have fielded a corporate Big Brother regime<br />
by simply tweaking the levers of secret power. The<br />
DEA reportedly cleared the way for Wally Hilliard to do<br />
CIA narco traffic, even the 9-11 suspects appear to<br />
have been entwined in it. Two huge cargos of<br />
narcotics are seized in Mexico and the Mexican press<br />
is now outraged. But the US does nothing---they say<br />
the paperwork on who owned it was all "in suspense,"<br />
not quite concrete at the moment. . .<br />
It's a lie. It's the Bush family cronies, men like<br />
Stephens and such who funnel part of the money into<br />
privatized black budget schemes so that Congress<br />
can't say it is a violation of the US government. But<br />
wait, WHAT government<br />
The US is like China was under the warlords before<br />
the big wars of the 20th century. It's a medieval kind of<br />
"private" corruption. It's feudal, mostly hidden behind<br />
smack-down false fronts, like the CFR, Trilateral, the<br />
the Business Round Table. Rather than launch out to<br />
fight and take down the killer regime, some of our most<br />
able-bodied citizens exhaust themselves tracking the<br />
ups and downs of toy corp. stock, instead. It's your<br />
money, after all. . .<br />
Six years ago, the Buck Institute discovered a<br />
naturally-ocurring chemical that extended the lives of<br />
snails by one third. Scientists agreed that by<br />
extension, the same chemical would likely extend the<br />
lives of humans, who are 93 percent similiar to snails<br />
genetically. So, we could live to be 100+. Around the<br />
same time, a chemical called NMDA was found to<br />
sharpen the minds of people 70 and above to the<br />
acuity of a 20-year old. But what would those NWOenticed,<br />
sexually compromised corporate thrill-seekers<br />
think about giving such benefits to the public If we<br />
lived to be 100, some of the super-rich would have to<br />
fund our pensions and medical care much longer.<br />
Bad for the bottom line.<br />
And if NMDA kept you sharp of mind until 100, the<br />
wisdom and compassion that tends to come with<br />
maturity, the long memory of political/NWO scams<br />
might affect the ballot box. Outsourcing of jobs abroad<br />
provides incentive to elite educate low-salary workers<br />
abroad, while lowering the academic standards of<br />
mere service workers in the USA.<br />
NWO elitists won't market the new products for any of<br />
us while we're alive, although they might seek such<br />
treatments privately, or in places like China where they<br />
might be bootlegged in elite circles, as may genetic<br />
enhancements with time.<br />
We need to blow the lid off of the next phase, before it<br />
ruins the lives of so many innocent people. It isn't<br />
merely a Big Brother festering in our midst; it's a<br />
Frankenstein. Men of the sort bear little resemblance<br />
to what we normally consider human. If we don't<br />
move against them, they'll move against us.<br />
*There are differences among such elites---some fear<br />
what we fear: a creeping kind of oppression that is<br />
being foisted upon us. Now is the time to organize<br />
resistance everywhere, and go global, give priority to<br />
surviving as global citizens (which we already are),<br />
which is the only way we'll get by, as a planet.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308740/pg1<br />
White House Leak: Cheney's<br />
Plan for Iran Attack Starts<br />
With Israeli Missile Strike<br />
Created by: budski on October 26, flags: 20, replies: 98<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"In the scenario concocted by Cheney's strategists,<br />
Washington's first step would be to convince Israel to<br />
fire missiles at Iran's uranium enrichment plant in<br />
Natanz. Tehran would retaliate with its own strike,<br />
providing the US with an excuse to attack military<br />
targets and nuclear facilities in Iran.<br />
This information was leaked by an official close to the<br />
vice president. Cheney himself hasn't denied<br />
engaging in such war games. "(visit the link for the full<br />
news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311331/pg1<br />
Aliens Are Real-Naturally! So<br />
Why The Fuss And Skepticism<br />
About UFO’s<br />
Created by: mikesingh on October 27, flags: 20, replies: 119<br />
Even people endowed with a little logic and common<br />
sense, would conclude that Aliens must be a reality. If<br />
so, what’s the big deal about the presence of alien<br />
UFOs here Skeptics/debunkers go out of their way to<br />
trash the very thought of an alien presence here or in<br />
the Solar System. Evidence is what they want. I<br />
agree to a certain extent, but in the absence of hard<br />
core evidence like a government disclosure or an alien<br />
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walking into a TV studio and showing up on the 9<br />
O’clock news, we would have to rely on human logic to<br />
arrive at the truth.<br />
Now let’s check out the basis of facts that would<br />
ultimately lead us to the truth – that aliens are as real<br />
as the nose on your face and have or are visiting the<br />
Solar System and needless to say, the Earth since<br />
probably a million years or more.<br />
So here goes:<br />
The Universe<br />
(visit the thread to view linked images)<br />
HST: Galaxies in a small slice of the universe.<br />
Courtesy: STScI<br />
" The Universe is so huge in fact that we’ll have to play<br />
around with scales so one can get a better idea.<br />
Let's imagine that the entire universe that we have<br />
seen in all the worlds’ telescopes, all the galaxies, all<br />
trillion of them, extending out 13 billion light years in<br />
every direction is shrunk down to the size of a golf ball.<br />
If we do a volume calculation, the actual universe<br />
contains 10 to the power 60 of those golf balls! Wow, I<br />
guess we didn't shrink things down far enough, but this<br />
will have to do. So how big a volume would 10 to the<br />
power 60 golf balls fill up Try a sphere 850 light years<br />
across! So imagine a mass of golf balls that big, and<br />
each one of those golf balls contains all the stars and<br />
galaxies that we can see through our telescopes!!<br />
"<br />
That’s not all!!<br />
"Now let’s try it with speed. Ready Imagine traveling<br />
so fast that you can go from on end of the galaxy to<br />
the other in just one second. At this speed the entire<br />
galaxy would be in reach before you can say the word<br />
"go", and wham, you're there! At this speed, you could<br />
travel to the nearest galaxy Andromeda in 22 seconds<br />
flat. And you could cross from one end of the visible<br />
universe to the other in 72 hours.<br />
So, lets speed up our warp vehicles again, so that we<br />
can travel a quintillion light years every second. At<br />
such a speed we could cross the known universe 100<br />
million times in one second.<br />
So, how long would it take to cross from one side of<br />
the universe to the other<br />
……………. 3. 7 BILLION YEARS!!!………………<br />
"<br />
If that’s the size of the universe, then what are the<br />
odds of intelligent life there<br />
Intelligent Life in the Universe<br />
"For arguments sake, lets imagine that primitive life<br />
happens once in the lifetime of a trillion galaxies, and<br />
out of those only one in a trillion ever evolves out of its<br />
womb planet into a space-faring civilization. In this<br />
example then we are still left with an astounding 10 to<br />
the par 75 advanced societies –more alien cultures<br />
than the number of atoms composing planet Earth!<br />
Again, for some perspective on such a gargantuan<br />
number, there are more advanced civilizations partying<br />
it up around the galaxies than there are atoms in every<br />
single grain of sand on all the beaches and deserts in<br />
the world, and then some!<br />
"<br />
So now we have a universe that could be teeming with<br />
millions of technologically advanced civilizations.<br />
Unbelievable<br />
Now what do you think these advanced civilizations<br />
could have achieved technologically As scientist Dr<br />
Michio Kaku contends, there could be many civilization<br />
Types. According to him, a type III civilization would<br />
be capable of bending space and time at will! So,<br />
could the more advanced have anything to do with the<br />
development of those fascinating Pulsars’ and<br />
‘Quasars’ Could they be moving planetary bodies<br />
Could they be harnessing the energy of white dwarfs<br />
and neutron stars, which they themselves have<br />
created Could they be altering the fabric of the<br />
space-time continuum Could they be moving through<br />
space-time and other dimensions Would they be<br />
having a physical form Could they have become units<br />
of pure energy<br />
Which Type of civilization are we Well, yet to reach<br />
Type 1, as a Type I civilization is a truly planetary one,<br />
which has mastered most forms of planetary energy.<br />
(visit the thread to view linked images)<br />
(visit the thread to view linked images)<br />
HST: The Eye Of God, (above), and halo of light<br />
around a star in the Milky Way.<br />
Cosmic engineering<br />
Courtesy: Flicker. com and NASA, ESA,<br />
C. R. O'Dell (Vanderbilt University), M. Meixner<br />
and P. McCullough STScI<br />
" Astronomer John Barrows of the University of Sussex<br />
writes, “Suppose that we extend the classification<br />
upwards. Members of these hypothetical civilizations<br />
of Type IV, V, VI, . . . and so on, would be able to<br />
manipulate the structures in the universe on larger and<br />
larger scales, encompassing groups of galaxies,<br />
clusters, and superclusters of galaxies. ” Civilizations<br />
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eyond Type III may have enough energy to escape<br />
our dying universe via holes in space.<br />
"<br />
The skeptics will holler, “This is all claptrap science<br />
fiction". Well, did our grand parents think man would<br />
ever be able to fly, let alone journey to the moon in<br />
their lifetimes And that was just a hundred years ago.<br />
Here we’re talking in terms of millions or even billions<br />
of years of technological evolution!<br />
Some may say all this is hypothetical. But considering<br />
the age and immense magnitude of the universe,<br />
anything is possible. Evolution to higher life forms<br />
over a period of millions of years is a certainty and a<br />
natural consequence of the very manifestation of life.<br />
But some would argue that this evolution probably<br />
works within natural boundaries and disappears into<br />
oblivion after reaching a certain level, the cycle starting<br />
all over again. Probably. But all said, the bottom line<br />
is that we are not alone! Considering the age and<br />
vastness of the universe logic screams that aliens and<br />
UFOs are a reality!<br />
As I said, Aliens are real - naturally! So why the fuss<br />
and skepticism about UFO’s<br />
Cheers! :D<br />
[edit on 27-10-2007 by mikesingh]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311581/pg1<br />
American Conspiracy: Why<br />
Does the World Hate Us - Is<br />
The Hate Planned or Earned<br />
Created by: SimiusDei on October 28, flags: 20, replies: 206<br />
If you live in the United States, there is a good chance<br />
you have heard about the hatred that some members<br />
of the world feel for us. If you live outside of the<br />
United States, there is a good chance you either hate<br />
us, or know someone that does.<br />
Why<br />
Well, if you listen to our "elected leaders" in this<br />
country, we are hated "because of our freedom" or<br />
because there is a vast anti-American conspiracy out<br />
there that spreads lies and disinfo about us and crimes<br />
we commit against their society.<br />
Is that really true Could there really be a conspiracy<br />
out there that's being perpetrated by parties unknown<br />
that is designed to turn the planet against us<br />
What could we have done, as a nation, that might lead<br />
to us being hated almost world wide<br />
If you are a typical American citizen who gets their<br />
news from the government approved sources, you<br />
may have trouble finding an answer.<br />
Well, right off the bat, there are the "typical" reasons<br />
why we are so hated. When some people look at<br />
America, they see nothing but a war mongering,<br />
greedy and oppressive country whose citizens suffer<br />
from an extreme lack of morality. While this, as a<br />
whole, is NOT true. I suppose you have to step back<br />
and bit and look at what behavior that we tend to<br />
reward with the spotlight here.<br />
Some of the biggest headlines from our country are<br />
about whorish celebrities and the totally immoral way<br />
they live. If that isn't taking the headlines on a given<br />
day, you can bet that SOMETHING involving money is.<br />
It's almost as if you have to be a complete piece of<br />
garbage to receive any kind of world-wide exposure.<br />
Is it any wonder that someone who has never been<br />
here associates John Q. Citizen with these people<br />
After all, they wouldn't be making the news if we didn't<br />
want to see them or hear about them.<br />
From there, they have our history to consider. We, as<br />
a people, have endorsed genocide and oppression<br />
pretty much from day one. The American Indian is,<br />
without doubt, a symbol of the ruthlessness of the<br />
human race, however, the fact that it happened here<br />
causes the responsiblity to fall on our heads, at least<br />
as far as it goes with the rest of the world. From there,<br />
we advance to the way black people were treated in<br />
this country until, oh, 30 years ago or so. Not only did<br />
we keep them as slaves, even after they were "freed",<br />
we continued to treat them like animals by refusing to<br />
share "our" society with them.<br />
While the views of our ancestors no longer apply to the<br />
average citizen, there are still people in this country<br />
who would like to return to the ways of the past and<br />
some of those people tend to make it to high places<br />
within our government.<br />
Now, when it comes to these things, we all know that<br />
most EVERY country out there has it own version of<br />
our past, but, we are so very in the spotlight that it<br />
somehow makes our past more important. When you<br />
combine the spotlight with the fact that we are,<br />
effectively, the largest superpower in the world it<br />
makes a fine recipe for resentment. When it comes to<br />
the United States and it's past, people of other regions<br />
tend to forget their own bloody and evil history.<br />
Our vanity and lack of morality is enough for some<br />
countries to hate us, but, what about the war<br />
mongering<br />
There was a time when our country was looked at with<br />
respect for the way we dealt with "villains" throughout<br />
the world. We would only interject ourselves when we<br />
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could "serve the greater good" of mankind. While that<br />
isn't necessarily true, if you look at how the winners<br />
wrote history, it does appear that way.<br />
However, that time ended after World War II.<br />
Since that time, we have had an active policy of<br />
inserting ourselves into pictures where we were not<br />
wanted and, in some cases, changing the the future of<br />
a region for the worse. In Vietnam, our "intelligence"<br />
agencies had stepped into the picture to CREATE an<br />
enemy for the "industrial military complex" that Ike<br />
warned us all of during his final days in the White<br />
House.<br />
Instead of jumping in to help an oppressed people, we<br />
began a policy of installing leaders that suited the<br />
financial wants of our "keepers" in America, most of<br />
the time creating a MUCH worse living environment for<br />
the peoples of the region in question.<br />
From Europe and Asia to South America and Africa,<br />
we have made a habit of CREATING brutal<br />
dictatorships and giving power to vicious tyrants in<br />
order to have access to certain information or<br />
resources that we wanted AT THE TIME. Then, we<br />
turn around a decade later and wage war against the<br />
countries or leadership and label them "terrorists" or<br />
whatever "word for the day" you want to insert.<br />
Just recently, we have waged war against Afghanistan<br />
and the "militia" that we created to fight the Russians.<br />
Iraq and the dictator that we supported for as long as it<br />
benefited us and we are preparing for war against Iran<br />
(in my opinion at the behest of Israel --note: This is my<br />
OPINION) and a government that we are responsible<br />
for who we now call terroristic.<br />
Indeed, the United States has unofficially become the<br />
"Police Force of the Planet". If a country steps "out of<br />
line", in terms of the best interests of the elite, we are<br />
sure to step in either through military force or through<br />
arming the local "militias" that support the interests of<br />
the elite. When we do this, it is usually AGAINST the<br />
will of the local people an leads to a MUCH WORSE<br />
lifestyle for them in the long run. Just as an example,<br />
I'm pretty sure Iraq was never a great place to live (by<br />
American standards), but I can't imagine it being much<br />
worse under Saddam than it is right now and all for<br />
what A war for profit<br />
According to estimates, the CIA alone is responsible<br />
for over 6 million deaths worldwide since it's inception.<br />
What is the CIA And intelligence agency or a world<br />
wide death squad Hell, they are willing to go so far<br />
(for their own benefit) as to fill OUR streets and<br />
citizens with illegal narcotics for their own benefit (and<br />
kill a president of the United States if you believe as<br />
some do), what do you think they are willing to do to<br />
the citizens of other countries<br />
Add all this and continuing allegations of torture, and<br />
it's not hard to imagine why the rest of the world hates<br />
and/or fears us.<br />
Now, some of these things may very well be nothing<br />
but someone's overactive imagination catching on.<br />
The transgressions of our "government" and it's<br />
agencies may very well be exaggerated to an extent.<br />
However, even if they are HEAVILY exaggerated and<br />
you just look at a FRACTION of the evils that our<br />
government has thrust upon innocents in most other<br />
countries (at one time or another), it's not very hard to<br />
see why they hate us.<br />
Just taking these few things into account, I don't really<br />
see why a conspiracy would be NEEDED to turn the<br />
world against us. If anything, I would see the effort of<br />
an "everyone must hate America" conspiracy would be<br />
nothing but wasted energy when you take into account<br />
the things that have been done in the name of our<br />
great country.<br />
But hey, maybe I'm wrong. There may well be a small<br />
group of people sitting in a room right now conspiring<br />
on the next way to earn America the undying hatred of<br />
a small country and it's people.<br />
*******(Continued below, please do not reply yet)*******<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311734/pg1<br />
All UK Telephone Calls and<br />
Text Messages to be Logged<br />
Created by: mirageofdeceit on October 3, flags: 19, replies:<br />
40<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Information about all landline and mobile phone calls<br />
made in the UK must be logged and stored for a year<br />
under new laws.<br />
Data about calls made and received will also be<br />
available to 652 public bodies, including the police and<br />
councils. "(visit the link for the full news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306853/pg1<br />
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Columbia brought down by a<br />
UFO weapon<br />
Created by: Monsterenergy791 on October 9, flags: 19,<br />
replies: 121<br />
I found this on Youtube--NASA says it's super<br />
lightening, but with the help of David Sereda, he<br />
shows us artistic representations of the real photos of<br />
what looks like a beam (weapon) of energy that hit the<br />
spaceship. It lasts for more than 5 seconds and he<br />
(Sereda) points out that that would be impossible for<br />
this energy beam to be lightening because lightening<br />
never lasts for more than even a third of a second, let<br />
alone over 4-30 seconds. I don't know if this is an old<br />
subject, but I know the Columbia disaster happened<br />
almost 4 years ago (2003)<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)mGE&NR=1<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307827/pg1<br />
Paris latest Ufo sighting was<br />
real with Nasa Proof<br />
Created by: ufo. blogger on October 1, flags: 18, replies: 88<br />
From more then one month i am getting lot of negative<br />
feed back on my Paris Ufo's sighting Video post. It was<br />
really embracing too as i posted it on my youtube<br />
channel. But now 1st watch this youtube clip after that<br />
watch second one clip.<br />
This second clip was taken from NASA server. So this<br />
video is not a CGI. I downloaded it from NASA<br />
website and reposted it here, it is still on the NASA<br />
server. Now here is the catch look at 28th sec you will<br />
get the proof. What do you think Watch 2nd one<br />
video here (links removed, visit the thread for external<br />
references)<br />
[edit on 1-10-2007 by ufo. blogger]<br />
[edit on 1-10-2007 by ufo. blogger]<br />
[edit on 1-10-2007 by ufo. blogger]<br />
===========================<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
[edit on 1-10-2007 by Gemwolf]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306232/pg1<br />
-- A Look at the SIMPLE MIND of<br />
the Debunker --<br />
Created by: SimiusDei on October 2, flags: 18, replies: 80<br />
I was browsing around the net a bit earlier and ran<br />
across this GEM at a site aptly URL'ed at<br />
"Conspiracy theories have always been with us, but<br />
they have become extremely popular in recent years.<br />
Offering simple answers to extremely complex<br />
questions, they are seductive to those who do not<br />
examine issues too closely. They also appeal to those<br />
who harbor deep-seated resentments against "the<br />
rich," "the powerful," "the Jews," or whatever other<br />
group a person might envy and wish to see brought<br />
down. (See my book Resentment Against<br />
Achievement for a great deal more about this. )"<br />
First of all, I feel this simple statement sums up the<br />
"argument" of most conspiracy "debunkers" better than<br />
any of us crazy conspiracy "theorists" ever could. In<br />
this one simple paragraph, this professional<br />
"debunker" has shown how simply the mind of the<br />
debunker works.<br />
There are several clear examples of ignorance in this<br />
statement such as. . .<br />
"Conspiracy theories have always been with us, but<br />
they have become extremely popular in recent years.<br />
Offering simple answers to extremely complex<br />
questions, they are seductive to those who do not<br />
examine issues too closely. "<br />
I don't feel it is necessary to actually POINT OUT the<br />
stupidity in this statement, however, since I have<br />
nothing better to do, I will.<br />
If there is ONE THING you absolutely CAN'T call most<br />
conspiracy theories out there it would have to be<br />
SIMPLE. If anything, us "crazy conspiracy theorists"<br />
have a habit of analyzing things to the point of<br />
ABSURDITY. All you have to do to see this TRUTH is<br />
check out a few of the JFK Assassination conspiracy<br />
theories. The Warren Coverup Commission can't even<br />
TOUCH the amount of work and research even the<br />
most casual of conspiracy theorist has. Better than 4<br />
decades have passed since this travesty of justice<br />
took place and you still have people out in Dealey<br />
Plaza analyzing shot angles and possible bullet<br />
trajectories in an effort to find the truth. And that is but<br />
1 example, let's not even bother talking about those<br />
guys still picking over the Zapruder film with a fine<br />
tooth comb looking for any little bit they may have<br />
possibly missed or those guys that study the autopsy<br />
photos for MONTHS for the same reason. To call what<br />
these "debunkers" view as "stupid conspiracy theories"<br />
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SIMPLE is nothing more than an exercise in<br />
IGNORANCE.<br />
And now, on to the next sentence.<br />
"They also appeal to those who harbor deep-seated<br />
resentments against "the rich," "the powerful," "the<br />
Jews," or whatever other group a person might envy<br />
and wish to see brought down. "<br />
This is another of those reasons the debunkers like to<br />
throw around. I suppose it never occurred to them that<br />
just MAYBE the reason that certain conspiracy<br />
theories target the rich or the powerful is because the<br />
rich and the powerful are actually behind a<br />
MAJORITY of the bad things that happen in this world.<br />
I think Chris Rock said it best when he said "Behind<br />
every great fortune is a great crime. " This statement<br />
certainly hits the nail on the head. Saying that a<br />
conspiracy theory is the result of one being jealous of<br />
someone else's "wealth" or "power" is SIMPLE<br />
MINDED AT BEST! Naturally, there are times when<br />
this IS true, however, I think it's pretty safe to say this<br />
is more the exception than the rule. The rich and<br />
powerful, in most cases, got there by being the dirtiest<br />
player and having the pull to cover it up. This is how<br />
MOST conspiracy theories are born. Perhaps you<br />
guys need to think about that a bit. How likely do you<br />
think it would be for Joe Schmo that lives in the cheap<br />
studio apartment to off a President and have just about<br />
every aspect of it covered up and hidden from the<br />
public for the next half century or more.<br />
And last but not least:<br />
"(See my book Resentment Against Achievement for a<br />
great deal more about this. )"<br />
I'm quite sure this little "throw in" was the true point of<br />
the writer's little spiel. It's all about the MONEY!! The<br />
title of this [sarcasm] great [/sarcasm] book sums<br />
things up quite nicely.<br />
I find it quite amazing that in a short paragraph he<br />
summed up the simple mindedness of 90% of the<br />
debunkers out there. The brutal irony, I suppose, is<br />
that he was only able to shoot us crazy nut jobs down<br />
in the simplest of ways with ZERO backup.<br />
I ask you:<br />
A lone nut job firing from a building for reasons<br />
unknown Or a conspiracy that reaches into the very<br />
heart of the government and branches out into just<br />
about every area of our society from oil tycoons to the<br />
mafia that has been covered up to the extent of<br />
dozens of mysterious deaths, the possible mutilation of<br />
the president's dead body to support the "story",<br />
possible faked video and photographs, sinister<br />
meetings the night before and on and on and on.<br />
Which is the "SIMPLE" explanation<br />
Jasn<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306463/pg1<br />
Graham Hancock Interview -<br />
ATS MIX Show 52<br />
Created by: Dave Rabbit on October 2, flags: 18, replies: 40<br />
The Amigos, through their contacts, have put Johnny<br />
and I in contact with the person responsible for<br />
granting and setting up interviews with Graham<br />
Hancock.<br />
Since this interview could take place rather soon,<br />
although Johnny and I have developed our own<br />
interview courses that each of us want to go, as a<br />
MEMBER of ATS. . . . WHAT would YOU ASK<br />
Post your questions here and we will ask a few of the<br />
BEST ONES including your ATS NAME.<br />
If you GOOGLE Graham, you will find tons of<br />
information about his books, his philosophies and his<br />
life. Google "GRAHAM HANCOCK".<br />
This is going to be a very exciting interview.<br />
Dave<br />
[edit on 1/3/2008 by Dave Rabbit]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306597/pg1<br />
Please help, my mom is in a<br />
coverup/conspiracy<br />
Created by: 56 on October 3, flags: 18, replies: 76<br />
I have posted a few pieces of this story on here before,<br />
but im now going to post the full story, or atleast my<br />
brief summary of it.<br />
So here it goes:<br />
I am posting this to get some answers as to what me<br />
and my mom can do in her situation. The reason It<br />
has taken so long to bring this up for help online is due<br />
to moving as well as me starting college. Here is the<br />
story, and I hope you can provide me some advice or<br />
anything to help make this right.<br />
About a year ago, my mom was fired from her job in<br />
what appears to be a conspiracy. She worked as a<br />
secretary for the Hemet fire dept. Previously she had<br />
worked in the city planning department. The fire chief<br />
Bob Verburg said she was fired for incompetence. But<br />
it was exactly the opposite. Apparently she had<br />
uncovered that the city record about response times<br />
were lower than what they really were. She thought<br />
they had not been updated, so she updated them.<br />
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This is where it all seems to have started. It seems<br />
like they wanted the records to show that so they don’t<br />
have to spend more money to build more stations.<br />
Along with that, many sexually explicit emails were<br />
sent to my moms email at work (she has them printed<br />
out and saved). She uncovered that the ip address of<br />
those emails matched the ip address from emails from<br />
the chief, she also has this documented.<br />
Now that is a very brief summery of what happened<br />
there. But it doesn’t end there, things of course got<br />
worse. My mom had collected all the evidence, which<br />
she still has. Most of it was on her computer at home,<br />
until we noticed some of it started disappearing. We<br />
immediately started printing out everything we could<br />
and we got most of it. So my mom contacted her<br />
union and started doing what she could to go to court<br />
about it. Things were going ok until we got a call a few<br />
weeks later from her union. They said they could not<br />
represent her. The really odd part about it was that the<br />
people in the union who were reviewing the evidence<br />
and helping my mom were no longer there, they just<br />
disappeared. My mom didn’t quit, she got help<br />
elsewhere. We found a lawyer that would take our<br />
case fairly cheap, He knew it was very clear that this<br />
was going to be big. So he looked at the evidence,<br />
and began to set everything up…until we got a call<br />
from him. He said for his own interests and safety he<br />
could not represent my mom, she asked him why, and<br />
he said he was approached by some people who<br />
seemed very serious.<br />
So now my mom has lost the union and a lawyer. She<br />
decided to represent herself in an arbitrator hearing.<br />
She gathered everything and went to the hearing. Her<br />
presentation was flawless, she had everything<br />
accounted for, and the fire chief along with his lawyer<br />
looked very worried and concerned. Their argument<br />
wasn’t very convincing, and we thought we had them<br />
for sure. The arbitrator set up a date when the<br />
decision would be made in the case. The date came<br />
and guess what…Yep, we lost!!! My mom immediately<br />
went to the media and began talking to editors and<br />
journalists about it until we got an eviction notice to<br />
leave out apartment!<br />
The manager of the complex refused to give us a<br />
reason, and claimed he didn’t have to give us a<br />
reason. My mom immediately turned her attention to<br />
the eviction, doing everything she could to fight it. She<br />
set up a court date to challenge the notice. We went<br />
to court on the day and time specified only to be told<br />
the hearing had been held and we lost for not showing<br />
up! Apparently the clerk had given us the wrong time…<br />
interesting huh We alter found out that their argument<br />
for eviction was for nonpayment of rent, even tough<br />
my mom has records of all the payments she made.<br />
So now here is how things stand as of today. I live<br />
with my grandparents while my mom and my sister live<br />
with friends and do what ever they can to get by. My<br />
mom was also denied unemployment.<br />
A weird part of this was while that was happening, for<br />
about 3 months or so my mom was followed by white<br />
suv’s. I have seen them for myself when I was with<br />
her. There appeared to be at least 2 of them, a chase<br />
one that followed behind, and in interceptor that would<br />
follow parallel. We were never able to get a clear look<br />
at them or see the license plate. I brought a camera a<br />
few times but never got a clear shot. It was very clear<br />
they were following us<br />
Again, this is a very brief summary of what happened,<br />
I only know the major details.<br />
Here is an article form a few months ago about the fire<br />
chief being put on leave:<br />
So there is obviously something going on here. And<br />
after everything that has happened, we are settled and<br />
ready to fight again. I have already tried to contact the<br />
media about it, but of course that went nowhere. I<br />
have also talked to the manager of the apartment<br />
complex, he says it wasn’t his decision, but the<br />
company that owns the complex. Please let me know<br />
what you think and what our options are now.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306787/pg1<br />
Reptilian Shapeshifter<br />
Hysteria!<br />
Created by: Digital_Reality on October 3, flags: 18, replies:<br />
227<br />
All of these new threads about reptilian shapeshifter's<br />
are just plain silly!<br />
I have yet to see a thread about reptilian shapeshifter's<br />
that doesn't make me laugh to the point I piss myself.<br />
I'm having a hard time believing if these threads are<br />
for real or just a joke.<br />
Can anyone add any real evidence that is not<br />
laughable at best. Not just some thread about a<br />
mosquito flying in The President's eye and making him<br />
squint and saying he is transforming into a serpent of<br />
the underworld.<br />
I know everything on this message board is<br />
questionable but this has to take the cake lately with<br />
these video clips of nothing.<br />
All reptile and serpent believers please enlighten me<br />
with some lore that is worthy of reading please.<br />
[edit on 3-10-2007 by Digital_Reality]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306758/pg1<br />
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UFOs Seen Streaking Across<br />
The Moon!<br />
Created by: mikesingh on October 10, flags: 18, replies: 70<br />
Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I<br />
couldn't find it anywhere.<br />
Here are two vids of unidentified objects streaking<br />
across the Moon. What do you think they could be<br />
Are these glitches, ice crystals, dust on the lens or<br />
what On closer examination they do seem to be<br />
UFOs! Well, you decide! If they are actual UFOs then<br />
all I can say is, WOW! :o<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
Cheers! :D<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307980/pg1<br />
aliens are NOT real<br />
Created by: wildcat on October 11, flags: 18, replies: 282<br />
They are a hideous lie, created by the Global Elite in<br />
order to manipulate the public into a one world<br />
government. Many years ago, a man suggested that<br />
the best way to unite the world is through artificial alien<br />
invasion. After that man suggested that, the Roswell<br />
incident occured and we started getting abduction<br />
reports. Alien abductions are actually part of the<br />
Global Elite's mind control program. And UFOs are<br />
actually top secret US military craft. How come we<br />
didn't have any UFO sightings or alien abduction<br />
reports in the last 10,000 years of human civilization<br />
until just now (20th century) It's because the<br />
technology is new, and it wasn't around back then. All<br />
documents of UFOs and aliens that date before the<br />
20th century are lies. If you think aliens are real, then<br />
ask yourself this. If you were from a million year old<br />
race that has mastered space travel, then would you<br />
be interested in interfering with the affairs of a primitive<br />
planet No, you have much more important things to<br />
do then waste time on a primitive planet that is millions<br />
of light years away from your homeworld.<br />
Do not believe this lie, as it will cost you your life.<br />
[edit on 11-10-2007 by wildcat]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308327/pg1<br />
An Animated Gif you can<br />
manipulate with your mind.<br />
Created by: hikix on October 13, flags: 18, replies: 250<br />
I originally was going to post this in BTS because it is<br />
an exercise whether to figure out if you are a leftbrained<br />
person or a right-brained person.<br />
But, when you concentrate on the figure's legs when<br />
she is moving you can manipulate her to go in any<br />
direction and even continuously sway her legs from<br />
side to side.<br />
Typically the figure will be spinning clock-wise (at least<br />
it did for me) but concentrate on the legs, and when<br />
they become parallel with each other, imagine that<br />
your mind is making the leg swing the other way. You<br />
can take that swinging leg and then push it the other<br />
way with your mind and sway the legs back and forth.<br />
Check this out:<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308733/pg1<br />
Nationwide Revolt Against<br />
Dangerous Vaccines<br />
Accelerates<br />
Created by: AcesInTheHole on October 18, flags: 18,<br />
replies: 227<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Concerned parents across the U. S. are leading a<br />
nationwide revolt against unnecessary, untested and<br />
dangerous vaccines as CDC records show a growing<br />
amount of religious exemptions on vaccine forms,<br />
following a media blitz by Jenny McCarthy in which<br />
she blamed a vaccine for causing her son's autism.<br />
"(visit the link for the full news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread309687/pg1<br />
END The Alex Jones GAME<br />
Created by: NovusOrdoMundi on October 27, flags: 18,<br />
replies: 346<br />
I think it's about time this circus we know as Alex<br />
Jones left town, because I gotta tell ya, I'm really fed<br />
up with this guy and how some will just blindly follow<br />
him and never for a SECOND question his motives,<br />
his facts, or his credibility.<br />
You know what, my friends If you can't think for<br />
yourself, you might as well be watching those news<br />
channels you hate so much, such as FOX News,<br />
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ecause if you can't be self dependent when it comes<br />
to your knowledge, then you're only exposing yourself<br />
to being led in circles of half truths.<br />
In this thread, I'll give you many points about Alex<br />
Jones that you may not have known. Please consider<br />
them with an open mind. That's all I ask.<br />
Let's begin, shall we<br />
In an Alex Jones article, seen (links removed, visit the<br />
thread for external references), talking about (links<br />
removed, visit the thread for external references) - a<br />
CIA operation to control media - Jones mentions the<br />
networks to be controlled and experimented on:<br />
"Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS,<br />
Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press<br />
International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers,<br />
Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. "<br />
Media assets will eventually include ABC<br />
Well, doesn't GCN carry the Alex Jones Show<br />
According to GCN's (links removed, visit the thread for<br />
external references), they do.<br />
Well, as you may or may not know, GCN uses the<br />
satellites of none other than ABC.<br />
So, which is it, Alex Is the CIA controlling ABC, in<br />
which case, you shouldn't have a show supported by<br />
their satellites if you're a true "patriot" Or are you<br />
garbage, your claims are lies, and you're being<br />
allowed to stay on the air because you're not really<br />
giving anybody any "truth"<br />
That's something interesting to think about, but, there's<br />
more.<br />
A man named John Joseph Gray and his family were<br />
in a stand off with authorities in 2000 in Trinidad,<br />
Texas.<br />
To make a long story short, Alex Jones insisted on<br />
allowing 20/20 to do an interview inside John Gray's<br />
home. John Gray rejected this due to giving up<br />
defensive positions inside the home. He said that only<br />
Alex Jones could come inside the home and film, and<br />
it was to only be used for documentary purposes<br />
AFTER the stand off was over.<br />
Alex Jones agreed to this.<br />
Later on, after filming inside the home, John Gray is<br />
informed that Alex Jones sold the tape to 20/20 for a<br />
rumored $700.<br />
You can read about this (links removed, visit the thread<br />
for external references).<br />
I'll go ahead and mention some of his arrests as well.<br />
They look pretty staged. The Bilderberg meeting in<br />
Canada, the protest in Austin when Bush was<br />
Governor, and even recently, the arrest in New York<br />
City on September 11th, 2007.<br />
All of them appear to be staged, but this part is my<br />
opinion and not fact.<br />
The Bohemian Grove: First of all, how likely is it that<br />
Alex Jones truly snuck into this place My opinion, but<br />
this appears to be a fraud.<br />
Also, why does Alex Jones refer to Molech as an owl<br />
Molech is a bull. Why does Alex Jones fail to even talk<br />
about the Patron Saint John of Nepomuk<br />
Back in 1981, I believe it was, ABC ran a piece of the<br />
Bohemian Grove where they mention John of<br />
Nepomuk.<br />
So in Jones' "intrusion" of the Bohemian Grove, he<br />
sees the 20 ft owl statue, but not the 20 ft statue of<br />
John of Nepomuk It's not possible that he's censoring<br />
this out of his footage because John of Nepomuk had<br />
ties with the Vatican, is it Along with that, it's just<br />
coincidence that he censors that and EVERYTHING<br />
ELSE having to do with the Vatican and/or Jesuits,<br />
right<br />
ABC is owned by Disney. One of Disney's Board of<br />
Directors is Leo O'Donovan, who, in 1966, was<br />
ordained to the priesthood in the Society of Jesus,<br />
aka, the Jesuits.<br />
So one of the Board of Director's of the company that<br />
owns the company that carries the Alex Jones Show<br />
on it's satellites is a Jesuit.<br />
But let's see who Alex Jones is connected with,<br />
keeping the above in mind:<br />
He is "brothers in arms" (basically a Jesuit phrase)<br />
with Charlie Sheen. Martin Sheen, Charlie's father,<br />
has been close friends with Cardinal Roger Mahoney,<br />
also of the Roman Catholic Church, for 20 years.<br />
Who's brother and sister-in-law work for Roger<br />
Mahoney Danny Bonaduce. The same Danny<br />
Bonaduce that "John Conner" "ran into" on the street<br />
in LA, at the same time that Alex Jones was in LA<br />
instead of doing his radio show, and the infamous<br />
"Codename: Kyle" was doing the filming of this "run<br />
in".<br />
It appears it's all one big happy family.<br />
So now, back to the question, is it just coincidence that<br />
he censors everything having to do with the Vatican<br />
and/or Jesuits<br />
More interesting stuff, a lot of you think Alex Jones<br />
"predicted" 9/11. He didn't. If ANYONE "predicted"<br />
9/11, it was William Cooper, who made his prediction<br />
in June 2001. It's just "coincidence" that one month<br />
later, in July 2001, here's fat head Alex saying<br />
basically the same thing Cooper said.<br />
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Of course, Cooper is dead and has been since shortly<br />
after 9/11, in which he died under suspicious<br />
circumstances, so all you hear about is Jones claiming<br />
he predicted it, while Cooper has no chance of<br />
defending himself or his prediction.<br />
Also, if you have time, please listen to (links removed,<br />
visit the thread for external references).<br />
It's an audio from William Cooper's show. He plays a<br />
clip from Alex Jones' show on, I believe, December 31,<br />
1999, as it's transitioning to January 1, 2000. Just<br />
listen to this lunatic as he describes events that he's<br />
making up as he goes about this Y2K crap.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
is another website that has a lot of stuff on Alex Jones.<br />
I haven't read it all yet, because there's a lot of stuff,<br />
so I can't sit here and say I agree with everything yet,<br />
but it's still got some good info.<br />
Then, just to bring up more points, his websites<br />
contain half truths, and a lot of times, out right lies. I<br />
mean, how many times has he said that Myspace<br />
censored him Every time I heard that come from him,<br />
I tested out sending his links, and it worked just fine.<br />
So, Alex Jones fans, what is so great about him What<br />
has he done What truths has he let out What does<br />
he do besides sit and collect your money, yell into a<br />
bullhorn, stage arrests for promotion, and lead you<br />
around circles of half truths<br />
He doesn't give you the full story. I could run down a<br />
few facts about Jesuits and the Vatican, and how they<br />
run a lot in this world, but I'm running out of character<br />
space, and it's 2:30 in the morning, so I don't<br />
particularly feel like it. But if you want to, you can look<br />
up the many conspiracy theories involved with the<br />
Vatican by doing a Google search, or even going to<br />
the library to look up books. There's quite a few of<br />
them.<br />
So as I was saying before I got into that, he doesn't<br />
give you the full story. He doesn't tell you who these<br />
"elitists" are. He makes it seem as if the US<br />
Government, Bush, and Cheney are the big masters<br />
here, and all of this is their master plan, but it's not.<br />
They control nothing. They're puppets.<br />
In closing, Alex Jones is a liar. He's a fraud. He's a<br />
fame hungry greedy bastard.<br />
Even if you don't believe everything I've said here, at<br />
the very least, the VERY LEAST, question his facts. If<br />
you do nothing else, at least be slightly skeptical of<br />
him. He's not the "patriot" you envision him to be.<br />
He sold out a man he allegedly supported, and he's<br />
selling all of you out too.<br />
Boycott Alex Jones<br />
(Credit for these facts and points goes to the various<br />
websites I linked to, as well as (links removed, visit the<br />
thread for external references) )<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311540/pg1<br />
Watch Springer On Discovery<br />
Channel's "Alien Hot Spots"<br />
Documentary<br />
Created by: Dave Rabbit on October 13, flags: 17, replies:<br />
40<br />
Just in case you missed our beloved "Springer" in his<br />
Discovery Channel thing he did back when he went to<br />
Chicago and do not have CABLE or the TRAVEL<br />
CHANNEL, I have put it up on my POM feeds with NO<br />
COMMERCIALS. It is a great promotion for ATS and<br />
Springer did a FIRST CLASS JOB!<br />
Once you view it, come back and give us your<br />
thoughts on it.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
This is a BIG FILE! Your CONNECTION SPEED and<br />
BUFFERING will be SLOW for some. You can also<br />
DOWNLOAD it from this location.<br />
Dave<br />
[edit on 11/2/2007 by Dave Rabbit]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308716/pg1<br />
UFO question asked at<br />
Democratic Debate Tonight<br />
Created by: tru_cutru on October 30, flags: 17, replies: 77<br />
I cant believe no one has created a thread about this<br />
yet. I was in disbelieve when they ask one the<br />
Democratic runnerups if he believed in UFOS or not.<br />
He politically and carefully said that yes he believed in<br />
UFOS, later on the Texas governor was asked if he<br />
believed in UFOS and said that the government was<br />
hiding information, he also sounded very political and<br />
careful but did say that the government was hiding<br />
information. Sorry for my rambling, Iam just very<br />
excited. It is my first post here by the way. I am<br />
definetly voting for the runnerup that said he believed<br />
in UFOs. I am ashamed to say I already forget was<br />
his name is.<br />
PS This is definetly a sign that the subject is having<br />
more acceptance at the government level. We are<br />
going in the right direction<br />
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Flame on, what do you think<br />
i found the video on youtube ALREADY<br />
[edit on 30-10-2007 by tru_cutru]<br />
[edit on 31-10-2007 by tru_cutru]<br />
[edit on 31-10-2007 by tru_cutru]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread312311/pg1<br />
Crashed drug plane owned by<br />
US Government<br />
Created by: grover on October 10, flags: 16, replies: 60<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Interesting story about the Gulfstream II jet filled with<br />
3. 7 tons of cocaine that crashed in the Yucatan a<br />
couple of weeks ago. According to the Austin<br />
American Statesman, this plane has previously flown<br />
to Guantanamo Bay, which has a highly restricted<br />
airspace:<br />
Some news reports have linked the plane to the<br />
transport of terrorist suspects to the U. S. detention<br />
center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, but those reports<br />
cite logs that indicate only that the plane flew twice<br />
between Washington and Guantánamo and once<br />
between Oxford, Conn. , and Guantánamo. "(visit the<br />
link for the full news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307998/pg1<br />
Tax Protester Ed Brown Being<br />
Gassed and Tortured In<br />
Prison<br />
Created by: AllSeeingI on October 20, flags: 16, replies: 100<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Shaun Kranish of MaketheStand. com was able to<br />
call the Ohio prison that Brown has been incarcerated<br />
in and talk with him on the phone for 10 minutes.<br />
In a disturbing audio clip, Ed Brown speaks for the first<br />
time since his arrest and relates how he was gassed<br />
by noxious fumes for three days in a detention center<br />
as well as being put in a deprivation tank.<br />
Brown also said he had been prevented from making<br />
any phone calls or receiving mail.<br />
"(visit the link for the full news article)<br />
Related News Links:<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310054/pg1<br />
Russians employed at Iran's<br />
Bushehr nuclear reactor<br />
suddenly depart in a body,<br />
according to local Ar<br />
Created by: Guzzeppi on October 1, flags: 15, replies: 76<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"The Khorramshar News Agency, which is published<br />
by the ethnic Arab underground of Iran’s oil-rich<br />
Khuzestan, reported early Oct. 1 that the entire staff<br />
of Russian nuclear engineers and experts employed in<br />
building the nuclear reactor at Bushehr had abruptly<br />
packed their bags Friday, Sept. 28, and flew back to<br />
Russia. The agency’s one-liner offers no source or<br />
explanation. DEBKAfile have obtained no<br />
corroboration of its report from any other source. "(visit<br />
the link for the full news article)<br />
Related News Links:<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306364/pg1<br />
The Hologram Theory is dead<br />
Created by: robert z on October 14, flags: 15, replies: 1300<br />
IgnoranceIsntBliss struck a near-mortal blow to the<br />
hologram theory with his post asking John Lear to<br />
explain how holograms of the planes hitting WTC1 and<br />
WTC2 could have produce the perfect plane-shaped<br />
cutouts in the side of the building. John Lear theorized<br />
that the holes in the buildings were caused by<br />
explosives pre-planted on the outside of the WTCs in<br />
the shape of the planes.<br />
While the IIB thread left the hologram theory bleeding<br />
on the ground and grasping for air, this thread will put<br />
the final sword through the heart of the hologram<br />
theory once and for all.<br />
Why<br />
Because this thread is going to take the question<br />
posed by IIB one step further. . .<br />
The fact that there were airplane shaped cutouts is<br />
only part of the story that the hologram theory must<br />
explain. What the explanation by John Lear cannot<br />
explain is this:<br />
How could the explosive have been timed so precisely<br />
to match up with the image of the hologram to the<br />
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millisecond, including having the explosives that made<br />
the hole from the tail fin go off literally milliseconds<br />
after the wings were shown to penetrate the WTCs<br />
Further, and probably more importantly, how could the<br />
holograms have been projected to the millimeter to<br />
show a plane entering the buildings at the EXACT,<br />
PRECISE location that the explosives were set to go<br />
off<br />
The videos show the plane entering the building in a<br />
precise, cartoon-like cut-out hole in the sides of the<br />
buildings. If these were holograms instead of planes,<br />
how could they have possibly been projected to be<br />
moving at such an incredibly high degree of accuracy<br />
so that the image matched EXACTLY with the location<br />
of the explosives.<br />
To believe the hologram theory, one would have to<br />
believe that the hologram of a plane traveling at 500<br />
m. p. h. was projected with such a degree of temporal<br />
and spatial accuracy to match the detonations of<br />
explosives on the outside of the WTCs in both TIME<br />
and SPACE.<br />
No, this did not happen. Holograms did not cause the<br />
damage to the buildings, nor did explosives timed and<br />
placed at the location where the holograms entered<br />
the building. No, whatever hit the building is what<br />
caused the holes in the buildings.<br />
Case closed.<br />
mod edit: caps in title<br />
[edit on 10/17/2007 by kinglizard]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308791/pg1<br />
MSNBC report on Border<br />
incursion Oct 18 2007<br />
Created by: Black_Fox on October 19, flags: 15, replies: 38<br />
So with a "War on terror" going on,and border security<br />
'supposedly being important,how is this happening<br />
How is another countrie's millitary allowed to cross our<br />
borders and engage our law enforcement<br />
Im no pollitical scholar,but wouldnt that be deemed an<br />
act of war<br />
And why dosent our government care<br />
Could it be they have more to gain from allowing this<br />
to continue,than stopping it<br />
If your an American citizen,this should outrage you.<br />
"(Youtube)-Reporting on armed stand off between<br />
Mexican Military/drug smuggler and Texas Lawman<br />
(more) "<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
:mad::flame:<br />
[edit on 19-10-2007 by Black_Fox]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread309963/pg1<br />
Chicago Police Executes Man<br />
On Video No Charges<br />
Created by: jhill76 on October 21, flags: 15, replies: 87<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
Links to Various Articles:<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
This is disturbing, many stories out of Chicago about<br />
police corruption. The guy should be charged with at<br />
least manslaughter if not murder.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread310310/pg1<br />
We live in a Zero Tolerance<br />
Society<br />
Created by: LDragonFire on October 27, flags: 15, replies:<br />
61<br />
Welcome to the New USA.<br />
My oldest son and I went to the grocery store earlier<br />
today, and of course we talked about his life and we<br />
talked about my life. Our discussion soon centered on<br />
school and he brought up the zero tolerance policies<br />
enforced at his school, they apparently had a school<br />
assembly that went on for over an hour just speaking<br />
about these policies, he said he was creeped out by<br />
the whole thing.<br />
Now I’m familiar with some of these policies, as my<br />
younger son a few years ago was in first grade and<br />
wore his older brother’s jacket to school. Apparently<br />
while at school his teacher witnessed him pull a very<br />
small pocket knife out of the pocket, this pocket knife<br />
you could compare to a pair of toenail clippers, it was<br />
that small. My son didn’t know it was in the pocket,<br />
but I’m surprised that the school didn’t call in swat,<br />
because their reaction to this was phone calls to the<br />
local police, phone calls to us, we had to rush up to<br />
school, because they stated that they were going to<br />
turn my kid over to the local authorities, because he<br />
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ought a weapon to school. I THINK NOT. I called it<br />
a toothpick they called it a weapon. Surely they were<br />
just making a big deal about this to scare him to not<br />
ever do this again. Nope they were serious. After<br />
about an hour of arguing with the school principle, the<br />
cop that responded was the one that told the guy to<br />
drop it, it was an accident; my kid never had any real<br />
problems at school.<br />
So welcome to the real world. The conditioning is<br />
starting at an early age in the land of the free and the<br />
home of the brave. Personally I don’t recall hearing<br />
about zero tolerance when I was in school, duck and<br />
cover yes.<br />
The above is just the beginning, they are conditioning<br />
our kids to obey without question, but the problems<br />
with this are not just found in schools. Judges no<br />
longer judge, if a person is found guilty of a certain<br />
crime, they will be sentenced to a predetermined<br />
length of time, no considerations can be made about<br />
individual cases. Wonder why they still call them<br />
judges.<br />
Another example are domestic disturbances, many<br />
cities have adopted a zero tolerance policy when<br />
dealing with domestic disturbances, meaning if they<br />
are called when they respond someone is going to jail,<br />
even if there is no violence or property damage.<br />
" Zero tolerance is a term used to describe a nondiscretionary<br />
enforcement policy for the criminal law or<br />
informal rules. Under a system of zero tolerance,<br />
persons in positions of authority – who might otherwise<br />
exercise their discretion in making subjective<br />
judgments regarding the severity of a given offense –<br />
are instead compelled to act in particular ways and,<br />
where relevant, to impose a pre-determined<br />
punishment regardless of individual culpability or<br />
"extenuating circumstances". "<br />
" "Zero tolerance" policing violates the Law<br />
Enforcement Code of Conduct passed by the<br />
International Association of Chiefs of Police, which<br />
says in part: "The fundamental duties of a police<br />
officer include serving the community, safeguarding<br />
lives and property, protecting the innocent, keeping the<br />
peace and ensuring the rights of all to liberty, equality<br />
and justice" (cited in Robinson, 2002). This code<br />
requires that police behave in a courteous and fair<br />
manner, that they treat all citizens in a respectable and<br />
decent manner, and that they never use unnecessary<br />
force. As Robinson (2002: 206) explains:<br />
Zero tolerance policing runs counter to community<br />
policing and logical crime prevention efforts. To<br />
whatever degree street sweeps are viewed by citizens<br />
as brutal, suspect, militaristic, or the biased efforts of<br />
'outsiders,' citizens will be discouraged from taking<br />
active roles in community building activities and crime<br />
prevention initiatives in conjunction with the police.<br />
Perhaps this is why the communities that most need<br />
neighborhood watch programs are least likely to be<br />
populated by residents who take active roles in them.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)"<br />
Please share your experiences, and thoughts.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311609/pg1<br />
Most Important Video You<br />
Will Ever See. . . Lindsey<br />
Williams - The Energy Non-<br />
Crisis<br />
Created by: ATSGUY on October 3, flags: 14, replies: 52<br />
MOST IMPORTANT VIDEO YOU WILL EVER SEE. . .<br />
Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis<br />
Quote<br />
Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis -<br />
People this is probably the most important video you<br />
will ever see, it may be even more important than<br />
zeitgeist. All the questions you have had, all the<br />
conspiracy topics that have been created (except the<br />
alien one) come out and get put into place in this<br />
video. . .<br />
just to give you a little detail about it<br />
"<br />
"Lindsey Williams, who has been an ordained Baptist<br />
minister for 28 years, went to Alaska in 1971 as a<br />
missionary. The Transalaska oil pipeline began its<br />
construction phase in 1974, and because of Mr.<br />
Williams' love for his country and concern for the<br />
spiritual welfare of the "pipeliners," he volunteered to<br />
serve as Chaplain on the pipeline, with the subsequent<br />
full support of the Alyeska Pipeline Company.<br />
Because of the executive status accorded to him as<br />
Chaplain, he was given access to information<br />
documented in his eye opening book, The Energy<br />
Non-Crisis.<br />
After numerous public speaking engagements in the<br />
western states, certain government officials and<br />
concerned individuals urged Mr. Williams to put into<br />
print what he saw and heard, stating that they felt this<br />
information was vital to national security. Mr. Williams<br />
firmly believes that whoever controls energy controls<br />
the economy. Thus, The Energy Non-Crisis. "<br />
"<br />
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I never realized how deep the rabbit hole is until i saw<br />
this video, and it is probably deeper than that. . .<br />
please watch and spread the word. . .<br />
PART 1<br />
(isit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
parts 1-8<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
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[edit on 3/10/2007 by Mirthful Me]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread306861/pg1<br />
SSSC "Darkness Hold Me"<br />
Created by: AccessDenied on October 6, flags: 14, replies:<br />
39<br />
DARKNESS HOLD ME<br />
" In the real world,as in dreams,nothing is really what it<br />
seems. "<br />
Dean Koontz- The Book of Counted Sorrows<br />
Running again. So tired,so out of breath. They are<br />
coming. In the moonlight he can see figures,behind the<br />
branches,just in the corner of his eye. He turns fully<br />
around,and sees nothing. Just trees,branches<br />
scraping against one another,leaves falling all around<br />
from the chilly autumn wind. He knows they are there.<br />
Watching him. Waiting. He wants to move,but fear is a<br />
paralyzing force. Where to go. . . He looks around.<br />
No lights,no signs of civilization. Just dense forest. . .<br />
and them, wherever they are. Dark shadows stalking<br />
him like prey.<br />
Heart pounding,chest heaving with every breath,it<br />
takes all his willpower to make his legs move, to<br />
anywhere,away,where they cannot get him.<br />
But it starts again. The whispers,the voices like dialing<br />
through radio stations,barely audible at first,so many of<br />
them garbled inside his head. He covers his ears in a<br />
feeble attempt to block them out,even though he<br />
knows it did not work before,and it will not work now.<br />
"LEAVE ME ALONE!" he screams in vain at the<br />
phantoms. "What do you want from me PLEASE,<br />
JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!"<br />
Running again, he stumbles and falls. Pain shooting<br />
through his wrist. The voices are louder now. . . too<br />
loud. . . screaming inside his head. . . .<br />
Jay sits bolt upright in bed,shaking,clutching his wrist.<br />
Emily staring at him.<br />
"Another nightmare baby" she asks sleepily,yet<br />
concerned.<br />
"God, my wrist feels like it's sprained!" He is<br />
inconsolable. Tears running down his face,and sweat<br />
pouring off his entire body. The remnant of fear.<br />
She leads him to the bathroom and using a washcloth<br />
and cold water,wipes his face and neck. So cooling,so<br />
soothing,breathing calmer now. His wrist was still<br />
throbbing.<br />
"They were chasing me again. . . and I fell. . in my<br />
dream. . . why does it hurt for real"He was getting<br />
worked up again. Trying to rationalize what just<br />
happened and what was still happening.<br />
"Calm down Jay,just a nightmare OKYou must have<br />
hit your wrist on the nightstand or something. Please<br />
just calm down. " Emily was trying to comfort him,but<br />
her concern was growing. " I'll go make us some<br />
breakfast. "<br />
He could tell that she was almost as scared as he<br />
was,but she would not show it. That was not her way.<br />
His Emily,the strongest woman he had ever met. That<br />
is why he fell for her in the first place. She always<br />
seemed to be his rock. All he could do was listen to<br />
her, and try to believe. But so vivid. . . so terrifying.<br />
How could that just be a dream And why again,three<br />
nights in a row. But so much more detail this time.<br />
Too much stress perhapsFull time university,part-time<br />
job + girlfriend=stress. Grabbing some Tylenol from<br />
the cabinet,he took a deep breath and headed to the<br />
kitchen for a glass of water. It was then that he noticed<br />
the mud,the grass,the moss stuck between his toes.<br />
Stepping back,he returned the pills to the cabinet,and<br />
turned on the shower. Hot steam quickly filling the<br />
room like a sauna.<br />
Looking down at his feet in the shower,watching the<br />
bits of green plants,and brown sand wash down the<br />
drain. . . he began shaking again. There has to be a<br />
rational explanation for this. He was thinking out<br />
loud,while a dozen thoughts ran through his mind.<br />
Was it possible that he was sleepwalking and having a<br />
nightmare at the same timeHe had not heard of such<br />
a thing. But it could be possible. . . . couldn't itMy<br />
God,it had to be. But he had never been a sleepwalker<br />
or had dreams like that in his life. Ever. However it did<br />
seem like the most logical explanation. He decided<br />
that to calm his nerves,it would be best to just accept<br />
that indeed,he had been sleepwalking while<br />
dreaming . He also decided it was best not to tell<br />
Emily, just yet. He promised himself to do some<br />
research later. Of course the biggest questions still<br />
remained in his mind. Where did I go and how did I get<br />
back in bed<br />
Stepping out of the shower,he felt much better. Still<br />
tired though. He felt as if these last three nights he had<br />
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not slept at all. His image in the mirror confirmed as<br />
such. Dark circles under bloodshot eyes. Good thing<br />
he didn't have classes today,or theprofessors may<br />
think he had been partying all night. His wrist was still<br />
tender. So he grabbed the bottle of Tylenol again,put<br />
on his robe,and went downstairs.<br />
The enticing aroma of fresh brewed coffee reached his<br />
nose as he hit the bottom step. Emily was making<br />
toast.<br />
"Better now honey" She smiled at him with thatplayful<br />
little smile that always made his heart skip a beat.<br />
"Yeah, I'm OK. "He sounded more like he was trying to<br />
convince himself rather than her.<br />
"I'm so glad. "She gave him a hug,then went about<br />
finishing breakfast for the two of them.<br />
No classes today,but he still had to work. He hated his<br />
job. . . . . but bills had to be paid. Everyday he told<br />
himself he would look for something better. But he<br />
never did.<br />
Stepping outside,the day was gray and overcast.<br />
Perhaps the wind was blowing in a little drizzle too.<br />
Just the type of day to suit his mood. The restaurant<br />
was a 20 minute walk from home,and so he began as<br />
always,his trek towards the job from hell. Being a<br />
dishwasher sucks. . big time.<br />
There were very few people on the street. Probably<br />
due to the weather,and preparing for parties tonight.<br />
Emily so had her heart set on this party tonight. It had<br />
been awhile since they had gone out and had fun. Too<br />
much to do between work and school and no time for<br />
anything else. Perhaps they would have a good time<br />
tonight,and he would forget about his bad dreams.<br />
Work went slowly as always. The day drags on and<br />
minutes seem like hours. Jay felt exhausted and not<br />
sure if he would have the energy to dress up and go<br />
out tonight. But he would anyway. . . for Emily.<br />
Emily paraded into the bedroom giggling. . . .<br />
"Don't you just love it"she questioned Jay about her<br />
costume,a sexy black cat.<br />
"Baby,you know I'd love you in anything. "he wrapped<br />
his arms around her waist and kissed her gently. She<br />
pushed him away.<br />
"C'mon,you aren't even dressed yet and we are going<br />
to be late!"<br />
He sighed loudly. So tired. Damn nightmares.<br />
Completely ridiculous. That is how he felt in this outfit.<br />
Thinking with the tired look on his face a zombie<br />
costume would have been more appropriate. Oh well.<br />
It's just for one night. He could deal with that. Besides<br />
he was sure he was not the only one who would be<br />
feeling silly. He was wearing the camo pants and<br />
jacket that Emily had bought from the Army surplus<br />
store. He would have loved the combat boots to<br />
complete the outfit,but they were much to expensive.<br />
Emily called up from the bottom of the stairs,<br />
"C'mon Jay,we gotta go now,or we will miss the bus!"<br />
Taking one last glance in the mirror,he trudged<br />
downstairs to join Emily who was already halfway out<br />
the door.<br />
Monster Mash could be heard blaring halfway up the<br />
street,as well as shouts and laughter.<br />
"Sounds like they got started early. "Jay mused to<br />
Emily.<br />
"You know these guys," Emily laughed while she<br />
spoke" They have probably been drinking since noon.<br />
"<br />
They walked up the lawn amidst many people,some<br />
they recognized,some not. All were in costume.<br />
Kicking a couple of beer cans away from the door,they<br />
stepped inside. The music was so loud that Jay could<br />
barely hear Emily speaking to him and pointing to the<br />
kitchen. They made their way through the<br />
crowd,waving and sending greetings to a few people<br />
on the way.<br />
In the kitchen were their closest friends. Paula and<br />
Rob,the hosts of the party. And Lynn and Kevin, good<br />
friends since high school and had been a couple for as<br />
long as Jay could remember.<br />
At least they could hear each other speak in here. Jay<br />
walked over to the fridge and pulled out two bottles of<br />
beer for himself and Emily.<br />
The evening went well. Jay felt himself relax. Enjoying<br />
the atmoshere, the numbing of the alcohol,and the<br />
company of friends. He was laughing and having a<br />
great time. Even forgetting the thoughts that plagued<br />
him earlier in the day.<br />
Apparently,they were enjoying themselves too much.<br />
Looking at the clock,they realized they had just missed<br />
the last bus. Emily suggested they call a taxi,but Jay<br />
reminded her that with the rent due in two days,a $ 30.<br />
fare was not in the budget. Looking around at the<br />
passed out bodies all over the house made staying an<br />
unlikely option.<br />
"Hey,why don't you guys crash at our place It's quite<br />
a walk by the streets, but we know a shortcut through<br />
the bush. "<br />
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Jay and Emily looked at one another,and nodded in<br />
agreement.<br />
Outside the crowd had dispersed somewhat,leaving<br />
the front lawn a mess of beer cans bottles,pizza<br />
boxes,and cigarette packages. Jay made a mental<br />
note to come over the next day to help with the clean<br />
up.<br />
A light fog had settled all around,and the moon though<br />
not full helped to illuminate the dimly lit street. Many<br />
homes were decorated for trick or treaters the<br />
following night. Bales of hay,pumpkins,and corn stalks<br />
were everywhere. As if on cue they heard the shriek of<br />
a bat and watched it fly past. No other sound could be<br />
heard but their footsteps. Emily shivered in her skimpy<br />
costume,so Jay removed his jacket and placed it<br />
around her,wrapping his arm around her shoulders as<br />
well. She placed her head against his arm,and he<br />
smiled as they continued towards the dead end of the<br />
street.<br />
[edit on 6-10-2007 by AccessDenied]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307306/pg1<br />
FBI Puts Antiwar Protesters<br />
on Criminal Database;<br />
Canada Uses It To Ban<br />
Protesters From Entry<br />
Created by: AllSeeingI on October 7, flags: 14, replies: 33<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"Two well-respected US peace activists, CODEPINK<br />
and Global Exchange cofounder Medea Benjamin and<br />
retired Col. & diplomat Ann Wright, were denied entry<br />
into Canada On OCT 3rd. The women were headed<br />
to Toronto to discuss peace and security issues at the<br />
invitation of the Toronto Stop the War Coalition. At the<br />
Buffalo-Niagara Falls Bridge they were detained,<br />
questioned and denied entry.<br />
"(visit the link for the full news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307553/pg1<br />
Conspiracy against the black<br />
race<br />
Created by: Skyfloating on October 8, flags: 14, replies: 397<br />
I am a whitey with some question-marks in my mind on<br />
the subject of black people. There are some questions<br />
I would like to explore in this thread and learn about<br />
myself. Through listening to a lot of uplifting music by<br />
blacks in the last decade (reggae, gospel, soul, jazz,<br />
hip hop, blues, ethno) it seems to me that in some<br />
areas blacks are more spiritually mature than whites.<br />
But there seems to be an uncurrent or a subtle<br />
consensus in the world that being black is associated<br />
with poverty, crime and non-education. Why is this Is<br />
it a conspiracy<br />
There is evidence of a high culture of black people in<br />
ancient times (olmec statues, african kings, ancient<br />
egyptian blacks). Why has this history been<br />
supressed<br />
Was africa relatively peaceful and prosperous (in their<br />
way and culturally) before colonization began<br />
Is there a conspiracy by whites to start wars so that<br />
weapons can be sold (an insider told me this is the<br />
case)<br />
Why, after whites have exploited and enslaved africa<br />
financially and physically are now the Chinese allowed<br />
to do the same<br />
Why is there hardly any improvement in Africas<br />
welfare although the problems and their solutions have<br />
been obvious since a long time<br />
Have black leaders such as Malcom X, M. L. King and<br />
maybe even some music artists been assasinated by<br />
whites<br />
Is there a conspiracy regarding jewellery trade<br />
Has the hatred of some white people fueled deliberate<br />
attempts at subversion of black culture<br />
I hereby pass the topic on to more expert posters.<br />
Update: Thread Re-Start<br />
The Conspiracy-Theory as it refers to Africa:<br />
World leaders know that it is better to teach how to fish<br />
instead of giving people fish for free (and making them<br />
dependent). Still, most of the times they choose to<br />
give the fish for free rather than teaching about boats,<br />
fishing rods and fishing techniques.<br />
Knowing this and not acting according to it =<br />
conspiracy.<br />
I will stick to this for now and accept the rest of my<br />
opening post as insufficient or inconclusive.<br />
[edit on 8-10-2007 by Skyfloating]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread307639/pg1<br />
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Alex Jones' ENDGAME just<br />
released on GVID!!<br />
Created by: sp00n1 on October 26, flags: 14, replies: 87<br />
Check it out!! Endgame has been released onto GVID<br />
for free!!<br />
Alex Jones' latest documentary covers the global<br />
elite's plans to drastically reduce the global population<br />
and install a one-world government. This<br />
documentary delves into the motives and methods<br />
employed by the new world order to implement their<br />
plans. It shows how the media is nothing more than a<br />
corporate mouthpiece used to keep the public<br />
ignorant.<br />
It's amazing how much detail and depth is covered in<br />
this dramatic new film!!<br />
This film avoids both 9/11 and 'the illuminati' in order to<br />
focus more on groups such as The Bilderbergers.<br />
Video Link:http://video. google. com/videoplay<br />
docid=1070329053600562261<br />
(visit the thread to view linked videos)<br />
[edit on 27-10-2007 by UM_Gazz]<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311445/pg1<br />
Aristotle Set Back Science<br />
For Around 2,000 Years<br />
Created by: Grock on October 30, flags: 14, replies: 57<br />
Aristotle may have been a genius when it came to<br />
philosophy - especially logic - but he didnt know squat<br />
about science. Sure, we cant excel in every field we<br />
try our hand in, but Aristotles massive errors arent just<br />
a personal embarrassment to him - they directly<br />
hampered scientific progress for close to 2,000 years.<br />
The problem is that from the time he was alive (the<br />
fourth century BC) until the Enlightenment, when<br />
Aristotle said something, that was the end of the<br />
arguement. Isaac Asimov notes, perhaps with a tinge<br />
of jealousy: "No matter who disagreed with them, even<br />
other philosophers, Aristotle's ideas - whether right or<br />
wrong - usually won out. " Chemist John Appeldoorn<br />
writes that "Aristotle's teachings were unquestioned.<br />
After eighteen centuries, universities accepted them as<br />
if they had been written in stone. "<br />
For example, Aristotle didnt believe that plants were<br />
divided into male and female sexes, so there the<br />
matter stood for two millennia, until botanists stated<br />
the obvious in the 1700's.<br />
He was also wrong about inertia, and again the world<br />
had to wait - this time for Galileo, followed by Newton -<br />
to speak the truth that objects in motion stay in motion,<br />
while objects at rest stay at rest, unless acted upon by<br />
outside forces.<br />
Like most Greeks, Aristotle championed the view that<br />
the Sun and planets revolved around the Earth.<br />
Copernicus (in the early 1500's) and Galileo (100<br />
years later) had to risk their reputations and their<br />
LIVES to put the kibosh on that nonsense.<br />
He further surmised that outer space was made up of<br />
54 spheres and that there were only seven heavenly<br />
bodies, which were fixed and unchanging. This<br />
meant, that for one thing, that comets had to be in<br />
Earth's atmosphere. Only in 1577 was this notion put<br />
out to pasture. Over the next 50 years, belief in the<br />
heavenly spheres faded. . .<br />
Aristotle declared that heavier objects fall faster than<br />
lighter ones, an error that couldve been exposed with<br />
simple experiments. It wasnt until 1,900 years later<br />
that Galileo dropped objects off the tower of Pisa,<br />
proving that all things obey gravity at the same rate.<br />
I'll say that again - One Thousand Nine Hundred years<br />
later. . . . By that time, Galileo already had been<br />
kicked out of the University of Pisa for daring to<br />
question Aristotle's theory!!!<br />
Some Greeks, including Democritus and Hippocrates,<br />
surmised that the brain was the seat of thought,<br />
intelligence, and emotion. Tish-tosh, said Aristotle, its<br />
the heart - and that became the accepted wisdom.<br />
Aristotle wrote: "The brain is an organ of minor<br />
importance, perhaps necessary to cool the blood. "<br />
Because Greek physicians primarily held braincentered<br />
views, that remained a strong undercurrent,<br />
yet Aristotle's heart view dominated until the1500's. . .<br />
should I say that again dominated until the FIFTEEN<br />
HUNDREDS. . . !!!<br />
A fellow Greek philosopher, Democritus (from which<br />
we get democracy), postulated that the physical world<br />
was made up of tiny places of matter, which he called<br />
atoms. But Aristotle pooh-poohed this rediculous<br />
notion, causing it to languish in obscurity until the<br />
second half of the 1600's. . . (do I need to say that<br />
again Sixteen Hundreds) when scientists began to<br />
resurrect it. It wasnt until the first years of the 1800's<br />
that the existence of atoms was universally accepted.<br />
Who knows how much further science would've<br />
progressed if Aristotle had stuck to syllogisms<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread312191/pg1<br />
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Police Can Disable New Cars<br />
on Demand<br />
Created by: kleverone on October 11, flags: 13, replies: 85<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
"General Motors plans to equip 1. 7 million of its 2009<br />
models with a system that allows OnStar operators to<br />
cut engine power in the car if the police request it. The<br />
system was demonstrated in Washington, D. C. today.<br />
"(visit the link for the full news article)<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread308221/pg1<br />
High-Fructose Corn Syrup --<br />
Another Poison in Common<br />
Foods<br />
Created by: anhinga on October 15, flags: 13, replies: 116<br />
After starting the Aspartame thread about an important<br />
health issue, I thought to start another one on this<br />
topic.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
good information to start w/ on this subject. The<br />
content is about a lawsuit regarding if something is allnatural.<br />
The heart of the matter deals w/ how high-fructose<br />
corn syrup (HFCS) is used to fatten up people w/ no<br />
end in sight, let alone the addictive nature of the stuff.<br />
"In his groundbreaking book FatLand, Greg Critser<br />
breaks down exactly how HFCS is metabolized by the<br />
human body. In short, because our bodies have<br />
absolutely no way of understanding this highly<br />
engineered substance…they convert it into storage<br />
material and chuck it away…hence we are fattened<br />
up.<br />
The explanation goes like this: glucose molecules,<br />
which are the building blocks of sucrose, can be<br />
metabolized (used, eaten) by any and every cell in the<br />
human body. This is not so with Fructose. It has to be<br />
metabolized through the liver. Hence, your liver ends<br />
up releasing triglycerides into your bloodstream and<br />
generally has trouble dealing with this weird<br />
substance. "<br />
That's a (links removed, visit the thread for external<br />
references)<br />
At the aspartame thread, I noticed people having all<br />
sorts of withdrawal, side effects and horror stories just<br />
from diet sodas. The problem is, these poisons are in<br />
all sodas, aside from ones that are all-natural. . . .<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
potential cause of diabetes in some.<br />
Some of the posts (links removed, visit the thread for<br />
external references) were eye-opening: "A single 12 oz.<br />
can of soda contains the equivalent of 10 teaspoons of<br />
sugar and over three times the calories of a serving of<br />
chicken noodle soup. If you serve a child Campbell's<br />
chicken noodle soup and an A&W root beer for lunch,<br />
that child is getting over 3/4 of his calories from<br />
HFCS--and that's a typical meal for American kids.<br />
They may even have two sodas, some "fruit snacks,"<br />
and an ice cream. Maybe mom will cook some Kraft<br />
macaroni and cheese, thinking the kids haven't gotten<br />
enough "food" in their fat little stomaches.<br />
We need to demonize HFCS. It's junk food. Nonnutritional<br />
poison. There is no good reason anyone<br />
should be drinking or eating it.<br />
You don't see an obesity problem in North Korea. Do<br />
you know why The U. S. embargo doesn't allow<br />
them to import sugary sodas.<br />
It's time we impose an embargo on U. S. citizens.<br />
Ban the wholesale commercial distribution of junk food<br />
outright. "<br />
Lastly, here's (links removed, visit the thread for<br />
external references) obesity issue differently.<br />
Remember this is a common ingredient found in<br />
almost any food that's not health-conscious or organic.<br />
Check some of your labels around the house and start<br />
working to replace HFCS!<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread309002/pg1<br />
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Wow, has anyone ever seen<br />
these<br />
Created by: Impreza on October 27, flags: 13, replies: 49<br />
I found this video while searching the net and was<br />
taken by surprise when I saw what it had to offer. I<br />
didn't really believe what it was saying, I thought this<br />
must be some enhanced video that the author put up<br />
for fun, so I decided to check it out for myself.<br />
Well, I checked google maps and it was there, but I've<br />
only found one so far. If you want to view all the sites,<br />
I guess you'll have to look for them on google earth.<br />
Anyway, here's the video.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
And here's what I found on google maps.<br />
(links removed, visit the thread for external references)<br />
Any idea if this might be something else, perhaps It<br />
does resemble something like a chip or computer<br />
parts, but I can't be sure of that, either.<br />
Link to thread: . . . thread311705/pg1<br />
Strange Object in Bat Photo<br />
Created by: librasleep on October 28, flags: 13, replies: 96<br />
A few months ago a friend of mine sent me this pic she<br />
took of a bat that was flying back and forth on a<br />
wooded path. She captured a strange glowing object<br />
in the pic. When I first looked at it I just quickly said<br />
it's a moth and that was that. I just looked at it again<br />
and noticed that there appears to be a shadow cast on<br />
the ground by the "moth" that appears to be bigger<br />
than an insect. Not sure if it's anything but I'll link it if<br />
you want to have a look. :up:<br />
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