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Climbing Above the Culture Clash

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“Eighty people signed up in August,<br />

on <strong>the</strong> hottest day of <strong>the</strong> year with a<br />

hurricane brewing off <strong>the</strong> coast,” said<br />

Hurley. “That tells you something<br />

about <strong>the</strong> need for this. This is our<br />

effort to put <strong>the</strong> crisis in perspective.<br />

We do it, not here in <strong>the</strong> Ivory<br />

Tower, but at downtown law firms<br />

where this will all play out.”<br />

While Hurley’s plethora of outreach<br />

programs hits its stride, <strong>the</strong> center’s<br />

graduate program continues to thrive<br />

with more than 70 students and two<br />

dozen adjunct faculty — each one<br />

of whom is an active practitioner in<br />

his or her field of expertise. Hurley<br />

said this adjunct arrangement is in<br />

keeping with <strong>the</strong> school’s philosophy of<br />

providing a practical legal education.<br />

“That’s where <strong>the</strong> expertise is — in<br />

<strong>the</strong> marketplace,” said Hurley, who<br />

previously served as general counsel<br />

for Shawmut Bank, as a partner in a<br />

financial services consulting group,<br />

and as assistant general counsel<br />

to <strong>the</strong> Federal Reserve Board in<br />

Washington, D.C., as it was crafting <strong>the</strong><br />

International Banking Act of 1978.<br />

“The J.D. program is superb at<br />

teaching <strong>the</strong> <strong>the</strong>ory of law, but as you<br />

become more focused <strong>the</strong> need for<br />

practitioners increases. The graduate<br />

program’s faculty consists of law<br />

partners, leaders in key government<br />

agencies, and senior corporate counsel.<br />

With obvious pride, Hurley observes,<br />

“They are in <strong>the</strong> real world dealing with<br />

<strong>the</strong> issues as <strong>the</strong>y come up and share<br />

that experience with our students.”<br />

The stakes couldn’t be higher,<br />

according to Hurley.<br />

“I think we are in <strong>the</strong> process of<br />

fundamentally changing capitalism,”<br />

he said. “How we play this out will say<br />

a lot about ourselves. This goes beyond<br />

beleaguered banks. We have thrown a<br />

federal safety net under <strong>the</strong> entire system.<br />

As we remove elements of that safety<br />

net, it will determine what we become.”<br />

Hurley is hopeful but not optimistic,<br />

based on what he has seen so far.<br />

“The Fed has said quite explicitly that 19<br />

banks — those with assets of more than<br />

$100 billion — will not fail,” he said. “I<br />

think that <strong>the</strong> safety net just puts off <strong>the</strong><br />

day of reckoning. I don’t think we can<br />

afford NOT to let some of <strong>the</strong>m fail.”<br />

“<br />

The ‘Ivory Tower’ has become a pejorative<br />

term <strong>the</strong>se days, but <strong>the</strong> Ivory Tower is not<br />

such a bad perch for assessing what we’re<br />

going through right now.<br />

”<br />

The savings and loan crisis of <strong>the</strong><br />

1980s provides an excellent illustration,<br />

according to Hurley. The government<br />

propped up those dysfunctional<br />

institutions for years based on <strong>the</strong> belief<br />

that, with some help, <strong>the</strong>y would be able<br />

to work <strong>the</strong>mselves out of trouble.”<br />

“But <strong>the</strong>y just got <strong>the</strong>mselves<br />

into deeper trouble,” he said.<br />

The reason is that <strong>the</strong> bailout gave<br />

<strong>the</strong> banks no incentive to change<br />

<strong>the</strong> behavior that got <strong>the</strong>m in<br />

trouble in <strong>the</strong> first place — and<br />

Hurley sees no indication that this<br />

bailout will be any different.<br />

“These 19 banks are hampering <strong>the</strong><br />

economic recovery,” he said. “They<br />

have been reluctant to lend, <strong>the</strong>y have<br />

not changed <strong>the</strong>ir risk management<br />

practices in any significant way, and<br />

we know now that <strong>the</strong>y are back to<br />

<strong>the</strong>ir old compensation practices.”<br />

“My concern is that three years down<br />

<strong>the</strong> road, we will think that things<br />

are better — but nothing will have<br />

changed. We will be just as susceptible<br />

to systemic collapse as we were a year<br />

ago when AIG almost went under.”<br />

As <strong>the</strong> crisis continues, Hurley<br />

is constantly on <strong>the</strong> lookout for<br />

ways to bolster <strong>the</strong> Morin Center’s<br />

position as a thought leader.<br />

“Boston University is a big place,<br />

so in addition to reaching out to<br />

external resources, we need to tap into<br />

<strong>the</strong> wealth of University resources<br />

we haven’t leveraged yet,” he said,<br />

adding that finding <strong>the</strong> solution will<br />

require a cross-disciplinary approach.<br />

For example, <strong>the</strong> issue of outrageous<br />

executive compensation packages is<br />

one of organizational development<br />

and governance — so he would like<br />

to call upon James Post, an expert<br />

on corporate governance at <strong>the</strong> BU<br />

School of Management. He also<br />

hopes to tap such people as Laurence<br />

Kotlikoff in <strong>the</strong> Economics Department<br />

and Zvi Bodie, also of <strong>the</strong> School<br />

of Management, who are nationally<br />

recognized figures in <strong>the</strong> areas of<br />

retirement and investment management.<br />

“If we only come at this problem with<br />

lawyers, it will be like <strong>the</strong> old saying,<br />

‘To a man with a hammer, every<br />

problem looks like a nail,” said Hurley.<br />

University President Robert Brown has<br />

articulated a vision that encourages<br />

multidisciplinary activities at all levels<br />

of <strong>the</strong> University. Hurley and <strong>the</strong><br />

Morin Center are realizing that vision<br />

and enhancing <strong>the</strong> law school and <strong>the</strong><br />

University experience in <strong>the</strong> process. •<br />

For a schedule of upcoming “The Buck Starts Here”<br />

lectures, go to www.bu.edu/law/morincenter. The sessions<br />

are open to <strong>the</strong> public, but preregistration is required.<br />

12 | Boston University School of Law | www.bu.edu/law

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